thanks everyone..
and dear Gordon, I'm guilty of not taking the time to explain a little bit more

to add to my first line;
"a civil war between Chinese 'Christian' rebels (led by Hong Xiuquan) and (finally crushed) by the Qing (Manchu) Dynasty (aided by British and French forces)"
I find myself in the embarrassing position to be glad I never said much before…
These are the best ones yet. Even the missing cuffs are perfect (I dislike missing cuffs typically because it makes the shirts look like they’re ill-fitting).
thanks for your this view....it does trouble me some times too...ancient chinese had layers of clothes too and very often, had white inside sleeves showing/folded out, so white cuffs do enhance some chinese ancient customs...so to put them on or leave them out is also a headache to me
