"The Pirates' Chronicles" - comments thread

[Timotheos]

ERRATUM

If you all take a look at my stories, you'll see that NONE OF THEM is edited. I prefer to maintain mistakes in the threads than editting them. (I think it makes them more genuine ...)

If it floats your boat, Gus.  Sounds great. 

I've made a sort of scale for giving the proper value of each kind of playmocoins,
so, in my stories, it's like this:

chrome gold = more valuable
non-chrome gold = very valuable
non-chrome silver = popular

&

1 non-chrome gold = many non-chrome silver (not sure of the amount yet, if 5, 8, 10 ...)

(I'll find out. Maybe you will help me with it, Playmofriends! )

Hokay, so I polish the gold to get chrome gold and make a $100.
That implicitly suggests that wax is a valuable commodity in mundo Gustabonis.

-Tim

[Gustavo]

As all the coins come in denominations of 1, 2 and 5, it would seem sensible to have

10 silver = 1 dull gold
10 dull gold = 1 shiny gold

8 might be fun (pieces of eight) but I think decimal is easier.

So Gus, we now have to set a scale of monetary values for things!

If 1 silver is the smallest value coin, then a loaf of bread might be 1 silver, a cooked chicken 2 silvers etc.

So how much might a small rowing boat cost? or a bigger ship?

So how much might a small rowing boat cost? or a bigger ship?

I consider that boats, transportations in general (big ones), as well as (big) animals in general are smaller in Playmobil reallity than in our reality, so, prices will be lower as well ...

I'll make some calculations, because I like proportions, Martin, but I have to admit that I won't be accurate, because I wan'na use my coins

I like the idea of 1 silver for a piece of bread, and 2 silver for a meal. It's a beginning

Remember that

piece of 1 = crown
piece of 2 = arms/shield
piece of 5 = King

besides the kinds of money

dull silver
dull gold
shiny gold

as well as there are gold nuggets, that may be thought to be worth at least ten shiny-gold pieces of five, maybe more ...

I'll think about a good price for a small boat, and for a 4444 Kanonensegler, because these are the main ones I intend to use!

Gus

[Timotheos]

I consider that boats, transportations in general (big ones), as well as (big) animals in general are smaller in Playmobil reallity than in our reality, so, prices will be lower as well ...

I'll make some calculations, because I like proportions, Martin, but I have to admit that I won't be accurate, because I wan'na use my coins

I like the idea of 1 silver for a piece of bread, and 2 silver for a meal. It's a beginning

Remember that

piece of 1 = crown
piece of 2 = arms/shield
piece of 5 = King

besides the kinds of money

dull silver
dull gold
shiny gold

as well as there are gold nuggets, that may be thought to be worth at least ten shiny-gold pieces of five, maybe more ...

I'll think about a good price for a small boat, and for a 4444 Kanonensegler, because these are the main ones I intend to use!

Gus

Hi Gus

In real life:

Short of government price controls (which it sounds like you may be imposing), the price of gold would boil down to its weight and market value for that weight.  A gold nugget would be worth the value of the same weight of coins, or more if the gold coins are debased (mixed with copper or tin or whatever).

Shiny gold and dull gold are the same beast.  A merchant would be a fool to be so wooed by glimmer.

Unless the "shiny" gold comes from a more reputable mint, that is known not to debase its coinage.

As for silver buying a piece of bread--ouch, expensive bread.  Inflation must be high in your land, or the silver coin extremely debased.

-Tim

[Gustavo]

I'd love Playmobil to make copper colour coins (like the colour used in the rusty sabers that come with skeletons, in 3939 ...)

Very nice it'd be.

However, while I have only these kinds, the cheapest I can price a piece of bread is 1 silver piece-of-one, so, 1 silver piece-of-one will be!

-x-

Now, I miss some new kinds of coins to be used with Romans: coins with owls at the back, with emperor's faces (i.e., face without a crown, but with lauri ... 'dunno how laurus is called in English ...), and maybe (very, very maybe, because it wouldn't be historical, but funny only) with values of I, II and V at the back

An owl for I, a female wolf for II and the emperor's face with the lauri for V!

This would be great!!!


Gus

[Martin Milner]

Hi Gus

In real life:

Short of government price controls (which it sounds like you may be imposing), the price of gold would boil down to its weight and market value for that weight.  A gold nugget would be worth the value of the same weight of coins, or more if the gold coins are debased (mixed with copper or tin or whatever).

Shiny gold and dull gold are the same beast.  A merchant would be a fool to be so wooed by glimmer.

Unless the "shiny" gold comes from a more reputable mint, that is known not to debase its coinage.

As for silver buying a piece of bread--ouch, expensive bread.  Inflation must be high in your land, or the silver coin extremely debased.

-Tim

I meant a LOAF of bread for 1 silver, not one slice...

You can get up to 20 slices out of a loaf.

Tim - since Playmo have created both shint and dull gold coins, and they clearly look different (and some wax isn't gonna fix that mate) I think it makes good sense to use them as different values - maybe the shiny gold is ultra-gold, or some material unique to the Playmobil world.

[Timotheos]

I meant a LOAF of bread for 1 silver, not one slice...

You can get up to 20 slices out of a loaf.

Tim - since Playmo have created both shint and dull gold coins, and they clearly look different (and some wax isn't gonna fix that mate) I think it makes good sense to use them as different values - maybe the shiny gold is ultra-gold, or some material unique to the Playmobil world.

Hi Martin, if you these coins into their Roman equivalent, you may see what I mean about the tilted cost structure.

This is from Wikipedia on the topic of the Roman silver denarius:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius
1 gold aureus = 2 gold quinarii = 25 silver denarii = 50 silver quinarii =100 bronze sestertii = 200 bronze dupondii = 400 copper as = 800 copper semisses = 1600 copper quadrans

According to the article, a gold piece was of such high value as not to appear in daily circulation.  The reason Playmobil only supports silver and gold pieces is because those are pirate loot from treasure chests.

Pirates don't bust their butts to steal chests of copper pennies. 

I believe a loaf of bread, which would need to be affordable to a day laborer, would cost pennies, rather than a high denomination silver piece, which could reasonably amount to a month's salary.  Gold on the other hand probably was handed around as transactions between governments or elite for high priced transactions (like tonnage of spice, property, etc).

OK, I'll be frank (you can be robert).  The currency structure you guys are throwing around has a very Dungeons and Dragons or Video Game feel to it.  In video games, bread costs a silver piece and ten gold buys you a shield.  But the video games are slopped together without much research into realistic economic models!

-Tim 

[Martin Milner]

How about using the dull gold as copper, and the shiny gold as...gold?

Does deflating the currency provide a bit more economic realism?

Some time did pass between the end of the Roman era nand the start of the Golden Age of Piracy, that's why they didn't call it the Coppery Age of Piracy.

[Gustavo]

How about using the dull gold as copper, and the shiny gold as...gold?

Does deflating the currency provide a bit more economic realism?

Some time did pass between the end of the Roman era nand the start of the Golden Age of Piracy, that's why they didn't call it the Coppery Age of Piracy.

I think, Martin, that, for the realistic guys, it might work (having dull gold as copper), because copper is very needed, once it actually IS strange to use silver as the cheapest value, in a realistic viewpoint.

For the playing guys (my kind of playing guys*), I'll keep using silver as the lowest value, because I like dull gold as gold. Specially because shiny gold will seldom appear. I'm seeing to call it "pure gold" (while the dull would be "mixed" (?) (...)**), and I'm seriously (?***) thinking about the price of every and each thing, because I want to play!!! ( = I want to write my playmophotostories!!! )


*I say so because, if J had a son, I might adopt the realistic way to play with my kids, so as not to teach them wrong the value of silver!!! & Parents ARE very (eager) playing guys, according to my 4-month experience in playmoforums ...

**& More detailed explainations/justifications to it are not only unecessary as well as I refuse to do it This was written to Tim, not to you, Martin

***Can this matter be considered serious at any rate??!

OK, I'll be frank (you can be robert).  The currency structure you guys are throwing around has a very Dungeons and Dragons or Video Game feel to it.  In video games, bread costs a silver piece and ten gold buys you a shield.  But the video games are slopped together without much research into realistic economic models!

Maybe, Tim, Dungeons & Dragons guys (& video game guys) played a lot playmobil, when they were kids ... Once Playmobil gave them no copper coins, the cheapest value would be silver

(I hope you realize that I am JOKING here on the forehead)



Gus

[Gustavo]

THE VALUE OF EACH THING
In Gus' "The Pirates' Chronicles"
&/or (or not ) "Elmo & Fletcher's Adventures"


carrot = 1 silver
bread
fish
bottle of rum
bottle of wine
mini-barrel of butter
mini-barrel of tobacco
cheese
a meal
room/bed (night)
a day of work (cutting wood, for example)

hat
case
lamp
dagger
compass

sack of grains
sword
pistol

longer fire arm
sextant
barrel of powder
barrel o rum
mandolin

small row boat
medium row boat
longboat

canon

medium sailboat = many gold nuggets


-x-


Considering that the system adopted
     by me
     primarily is like

silver piece-of-one (or simply "1 silver", in homage to Long John Silver!!)
silver piece-of-two = 2 silver
silverpiece-of-five = 5 silver

gold piece-of-one = 5 silver
gold piece-of-two = 10 silver
gold piece-of-five = 25 silver

shiny (or pure) gold = 8 (dull) gold = 40 silver


My thought is that, as well as big playmobil stuff (big ship, big sea mamal, among other big things like Andi's "puppies" ...) are smaller than actual correspondence, in scale, so will be my values of money!

I intend to calculate how much is a 4444 kanonensegler costs in gold (nuggets) and, from there, in (dull) gold

If anyone has any (serious-but-not-too-serious-please*) suggestions, I'll accept them gladly.


Gus



*I'm not wargaming here; I'm simply playing the adult (? ) play of the "little playmobil theatre" ...

[Gustavo]

Considering that the system adopted
     by me
     primarily is like

silver piece-of-one (or simply "1 silver", in homage to Long John Silver!!)
silver piece-of-two = 2 silver
silverpiece-of-five = 5 silver

gold piece-of-one = 5 silver
gold piece-of-two = 10 silver
gold piece-of-five = 25 silver

shiny (or pure) gold = 8 (dull) gold = 40 silver

I was taking a look at them,
there are three sizes of gold nuggets;

Therefore,

the bigger one = 10 pure gold pieces-of-five
the medium one = 8 pure gold pieces-of-five
& the small one = 5 pure gold pieces-of-five