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Title: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Emma.J on September 18, 2010, 21:06:47
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af143/Emma-J1066/Forum%20Playmobil%20Victorian/SDC19122.jpg)

Napoleon and Josephine, the next figures in my quest to do some from around the world.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: flatcat on September 18, 2010, 21:16:02
WOW they are stunning :love: :love: :love:

The small details are incredible! :o :o :o

Damo :)
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: playmofire on September 18, 2010, 21:48:17
WOW they are stunning :love: :love: :love:

The small details are incredible! :o :o :o

Damo :)
I agree entirely with flatcat.

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Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: skypurr on September 18, 2010, 23:12:02
I agree entirely with flatcat.

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Me too!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)

Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Andy R on September 19, 2010, 00:48:13
I don’t normally reply to individual creations (far too many, I’d end up repeating myself ad nauseum), but this time I must say “Unusually good.”
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: hauden_lukas on September 19, 2010, 02:16:15
I don't want to spoil the party - but did anybody of you notice that Napoleon's coat seems to be either too big or is somewhat misplaced...? It definitely needs some more work.

The rest is very good indeed.

So why didn't you fix the coat a little bit better? You spent all your time creating a nice custom and (in my eyes) you ruined Napoleon by this outfit. I see a great potential in your work but apparently several others here in this forum are willing to accept a lower level of your creativity.

Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Andy R on September 19, 2010, 03:53:20
I don't want to spoil the party - but did anybody of you notice that Napoleon's coat seems to be either too big or is somewhat misplaced...? It definitely needs some more work.
No, that’s the way he wore it. It was the style back then.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Wolf Knight on September 19, 2010, 05:55:32
Fantastic Emma!!! Very well done!!! Your Josephine, Emma, catches the essence of Isabella Rossellini's performance in 'Napoleon' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253839/
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: hauden_lukas on September 19, 2010, 06:22:56
No, that’s the way he wore it. It was the style back then.

Right...

... show me a pic including this tremendous collar way over the ear-line and I believe you.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: playmofire on September 19, 2010, 06:47:16
Right...

... show me a pic including this tremendous collar way over the ear-line and I believe you.

In this pic the collar is turned down but would clearly be over the ear-line when it was turned up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5293757/Napoleon-Bonaparte-the-romantic-novelist.html
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Andy R on September 19, 2010, 07:21:51
Right... show me a pic including this tremendous collar way over the ear-line and I believe you.
Nope. Couldn’t find one.
But if you can do better, by all means, do so.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Gis on September 19, 2010, 07:24:01
Great job EmmaJ. Could you maybe show the picture from which you worked?
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 19, 2010, 15:08:17
Really nice Emma! :o
They are both amazing figures! :wow:

Did you heat treat Napoleon's arm? ???
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: baden-wurttemberg on September 19, 2010, 15:10:41
Awmazing custom Emma! Truly amazing!!!  :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:






Baden  :wave:
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: hauden_lukas on September 19, 2010, 18:44:50
In this pic the collar is turned down but would clearly be over the ear-line when it was turned up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5293757/Napoleon-Bonaparte-the-romantic-novelist.html

Just because the cloak has a large collar doesn't mean he actually wore it folded up. Anyway, I also attached some pics, but nothing comes close to the Napoleon displayed in this thread.

Nope. Couldn’t find one.
But if you can do better, by all means, do so.

If you are referring to the "making of": no, I might not be able to do it better, I only wanted to state that I feel that it could be done a bit better by Emma (and she has the gift to do so...). But if criticism is not desired in this forum, I will rather not post any comments in the future. I am always happy when people are being honest and help me improve the quality of my work.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: arab warrior on September 19, 2010, 19:19:40
of course honesty is always appreciated, sure, but if you consider that Emma has captured the style of Napoleon very accurate and that the collar isn't any larger than in you first two pictures, than i would say that the only thing wrong in Emma's custom is the fact that Napoleon has no neck!!
That explains the collar looking too big, but then again..... klickies have no necks! What can you do.

Rob
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 20, 2010, 01:33:01
Just because the cloak has a large collar doesn't mean he actually wore it folded up. Anyway, I also attached some pics, but nothing comes close to the Napoleon displayed in this thread.

If you are referring to the "making of": no, I might not be able to do it better, I only wanted to state that I feel that it could be done a bit better by Emma (and she has the gift to do so...). But if criticism is not desired in this forum, I will rather not post any comments in the future. I am always happy when people are being honest and help me improve the quality of my work.

I believe (from my point of view) that it sounded a little harsh,
And that is why people responded to it so negatively.

I know that you didn't mean to make it sound harsh, (I hope. ;) )
But as it has been stated many times before in the forum,
We are typing replies, not saying them.
So things may seem to come out differently then they might had, had we been speaking.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: playmofire on September 20, 2010, 06:18:32
I think Warrior of Toys has identified the problem, hauden_klaus's comment did read rather harsh, although I'm sure, too, he didn't mean it to.  Equally, I think Andy R's comment here:

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5779.msg84318#msg84318

came across more severely than he meant it to.

As Warrior of Toys says, it's the old problem of writing things down rather than being able to speak face to face.
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Klickus Mobilius on September 20, 2010, 07:43:39
I think Warrior of Toys has identified the problem, hauden_klaus's comment did read rather harsh, although I'm sure, too, he didn't mean it to.  Equally, I think Andy R's comment here:

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5779.msg84318#msg84318

came across more severely than he meant it to.

As Warrior of Toys says, it's the old problem of writing things down rather than being able to speak face to face.

And here I was, being a great fan of her work, ready to rush to Emma's defense, but I will refrain.

Playmofire, you are a good diplomat.

Emma, I think they look great!   :wow:
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Giorginetto on September 20, 2010, 11:51:24
Lovely customs !!! They both look amazing. Which reminds me i really want a couple of these for my upcoming French army !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want a Napoleon as good as this one !!!!!!!!!!

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Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: hauden_lukas on September 20, 2010, 16:54:14
Guys!

I would also tell you the same face-to-face using the exact same wording. My comment is neither harsh nor offending. Maybe you have noticed the fact that I did like the rest of the custom(s) - it's only the collar that looks a bit awkward. I even mentioned that I believe Emma has the capability to make it better. Of course, if she doesn't want to: That's her decision.
I can only speak for myself - and to me, it (the collar) doesn't look good on this Napoleon, not appealing judging by my senses and not even resembling to the Napoleon I have in my mind.

Let me tell you one more thing: I am the toughest critic for my own work and I always appreciate criticism if it can help improve anything. Of course, I do not always agree but I always reassess things people say (or write).

Cheers,
hauden_lukas
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Emma.J on September 20, 2010, 18:02:50
 :-\ Hi everyone Gosh what a fuss I've caused  >:D

Thanks all for your support I've been reading all this and I admit having a bit of a laugh  :lol:

I don't mind the criticism good or bad of any of my work.

I don't want to spoil the party - but did anybody of you notice that Napoleon's coat seems to be either too big or is somewhat misplaced...? It definitely needs some more work.

The rest is very good indeed.

So why didn't you fix the coat a little bit better? You spent all your time creating a nice custom and (in my eyes) you ruined Napoleon by this outfit. I see a great potential in your work but apparently several others here in this forum are willing to accept a lower level of your creativity.



Yes I can see what your saying I did him with his collar turned up so it does look a big but as it a caricature of Napoleon and in no way meant to look 100% accurate I wasn't that bothered.

As to the picture I modled him off of, I admit it was Arthur Lowe dressed as Napoleon in an episode of Dad's Army I was watching when I decided to do up the klicky, and if you've seen him the collar does come up around his ears - the problem with being a short fat actor  ;D

So I wasn't offended in any way with what you said. I think maybe it was the tone of some of your other comments to other members that might have caused more fuss than what you said to me.


 :thanks: Thanks to Klickus Mobilius, WarriorOfToys, Playmofire, Arab Warrior, Andy R for jumping in to my defence.  :-*

So hoping it's all sorted....... what do you think of version 2?

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af143/Emma-J1066/Forum%20Playmobil%20Victorian/SDC19272.jpg)

P.S. Josephine has run off in a huff as Napoleon wont share his coat anymore  :lol:
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: hauden_lukas on September 20, 2010, 19:01:27
So hoping it's all sorted....... what do you think of version 2?

You won't believe me, but I like him now (that's only my opinion and my taste, others might disagree...  ;) )

Cheers,
hauden_lukas
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 20, 2010, 19:08:50
You won't believe me, but I like him now (that's only my opinion and my taste, others might disagree...  ;) )

Cheers,
hauden_lukas

Lol,
I do agree this looks better. :)
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on September 20, 2010, 19:09:02
Bravo!  I like both versions!  Emma, you are so talented!  

btw, I'm only joking when I say this, but "isn't your Napoleon too tall?"  lol.  Maybe someone can do Napoleon using a playmokiddie, but keep your Josephine the same, haha!

All kidding aside, I LOVE your work, Emma!  I'm a HUGE fan!
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Giorginetto on September 20, 2010, 19:58:04
I bow at your Creation Queen Emma

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Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Klickus Mobilius on September 21, 2010, 00:12:56
I love both versions and didn't see anything wrong with the first version.  I believe customization is an art (in which I have absolutely no talent), and being such, artistic license is acceptable.

I LOVE your work, Emma!  I'm a HUGE fan!

I'm a HUGER fan... :love:
Title: Re: Napoleon & Josephine
Post by: Jimbo on September 21, 2010, 13:36:48
I too like both versions.  In fact they inspired me to try to make
a "coat of many colors" for a Biblical Joseph figure my wife is going
to use teaching her first grade class.  She is going to use Playmobil figures
and some Egyptian structures made from plywood to act out the story.

Great Napoleon & Josephine!!.....maybe Admiral Lord Nelson is next?

Well Done Emma J. :clap: :clap:

Jimbo :cowboy: