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Marius' Mule
« on: March 09, 2008, 18:51:13 »
Instead of a knapsack, he should be toting a pack with kitchen gear and trench tool, but you get the idea.

If anyone can improve, I'd be thrilled!

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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 00:30:58 »
Maybe I should add clarification:

Roman consul Marius reformed the Roman army, and one of his measures was to reduce the size of the baggage train.  In its place, the soldiers had to carry more of their gear, which they bore over the shoulder from a pole.

They jokingly referred to the contraption as "Marius's mule".

The mule doesn't look so good, but the posture otherwise seems to match the book reference (carrying helmet under the arm and pilum with the shield arm).

-Tim

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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 07:32:29 »
Instead of a knapsack, he should be toting a pack with kitchen gear and trench tool, but you get the idea.

If anyone can improve, I'd be thrilled!

-Tim

There's an entrenching tool in this set 30 60 0160 which should do.
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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 14:37:21 »
Hi Tim,
He looks great. :yup:. Also, thanks for the bit of history.

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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 12:03:27 »
Hey Gordon,

Thanks for the idea about the tools! 

Thanks Jimbo for the comment!

-Tim

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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 12:20:39 »
PM me your address and I can send you an entrenching tool, maybe more than one (but I'd have to check on that).
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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2008, 00:13:35 »


Hello, Timmy ...

You have really taken on quite a project. My research tells me that these Roman soldiers were expected to carry about 90 pounds (about 41kg) of equipment.

I wonder how far most of us here at PF could march carrying that amount of weight?

Thanks for sharing.

All the best,
Richard




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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2008, 09:23:15 »
I think I could manage that ... for a few meters ...
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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2008, 13:22:10 »
When I was in the army, I had to ruck 70-pounds worth of gear in the form of an antenna our foot team had to carry out into the hills of Yakima valley and also the Mojave Desert for field exercise.  Similar to a Roman load, it was top heavy, being tied to the top of my rucksack.  The ruck was so heavy I couldn't lift it onto my shoulders standing up but had to squirm into it sitting on the ground, then roll up to a standing position.

The Romans had it even worse, propping that thing on a virtual cantilever over one shoulder.

Once you start moving, though, it isn't so bad, especially if the ground is level.  I was wondering if the reason Marius went with that stick-over-the-shoulder instead of a better weighted backpack was because the stick is so easy to drop if you get ambushed.  A really heavy pack, especially if you don't have modern quick-release-buckles, hangs onto you and doesn't want to let go!



Hello, Timmy ...

You have really taken on quite a project. My research tells me that these Roman soldiers were expected to carry about 90 pounds (about 41kg) of equipment.

I wonder how far most of us here at PF could march carrying that amount of weight?

Thanks for sharing.

All the best,
Richard





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Re: Marius' Mule
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2008, 14:24:35 »


Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

When I was in the army, I had to ruck 70-pounds worth of gear in the form of an antenna our foot team had to carry out into the hills of Yakima valley and also the Mojave Desert for field exercise.  Similar to a Roman load, it was top heavy, being tied to the top of my rucksack.  The ruck was so heavy I couldn't lift it onto my shoulders standing up but had to squirm into it sitting on the ground, then roll up to a standing position.

When I was in the United States Coast Guard, we used to just throw all our stuff on the boat ... :lol:

All the best and Happy Easter,
Richard