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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2019, 06:10:42 »
WOW GRaham, this is phantastic!  :o

A real gem of researching and working out!

I am deeply impressed!
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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2019, 07:33:59 »
 :(o): :(o): :(o):

This is brilliant, Graham!!!

Thank you so much for the research and the clear and helpful instructions on how to spot the differences.

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If there were a possibility of getting a Playmo-degree through research, you'd be able to present your Playmo-PhD right now  ;D

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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2019, 09:05:35 »
Thanks for the comments. I have been fiddling with this for a few years now, after seeing Littledive's Klickywelt post on the subject, in which he said "When and how long the figures were produced, is still being discussed or investigated." Well THAT was a challenge!

I started with my own (smallish) collection of fixed-wrist klickies, but when I realised that they were a mixture of German klickies and Playpeople (made under licence in the UK by Marx Toys between 1975 and 1980) and the two sorts have different patterns, I screamed a bit, then set about buying lots of old klickies from German sellers. (600 was the number I stopped at, there are a few more lying around I didn't include  :-[). They are quite easy to come by and quite cheap, apart from the very early ones. Not surprising really, as 320 million klickies were produced between 1974 and 1980!

Tahra: you did well; see the third post for the answer!

Heather: it's here on PF, it will be on my website shortly. I'm happy for you and anyone else to use it elsewhere. The two PDF documents pretty much stand alone.


I should add that I dismembered all my klickies and recorded details which can't be seen from the 'outside'. It's quite interesting if you are a nerd like me! But with over 100 distinct combinations of parts, it complicates that timeline somewhat so I will save it for the future....
At that moment the ship suddenly stopped rocking and swaying, the engine pitch settled down to a gentle hum. 'Hey Ford.' said Zaphod, 'that sounds good. Have you worked out the controls on this boat?' 'No,' said Ford, 'I just stopped fiddling with them.' (With thanks to Douglas Adams)

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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2019, 21:55:57 »
Great contribution. Many thanks, GrahamB!

A minor addition:

I have an odd fixed-wrist klicky on my hands, with the following features:

1.Head: here lies the problem
2.Skeleton: O
3.Soles of feet: R open ‘b’ on left foot
4.Bottom: sos F and a number in squares [11]

I attach some pictures of the head. Moulded, but in an odd shape. There is no hole at the bottom of the skull, so presumably no keychain klicky. It is a fine, sturdy figure, probably not a reconfigured custom. I think I have seen this only once. Any thoughts about the head?





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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2019, 04:56:05 »
Found one of those in a lot recently.. I think I noticed in the washing... I had never seen it before..
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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2019, 10:03:30 »
I too have a couple of those. My guess is that they are keychain heads which were used to make standard klickies, using up surplus stock. Since no keychain was ever fitted, the hole isn't there. Perhaps fitting a keychain involved drilling a hole through the hair and into the base of the head, then screwing in the chain attachment. If the hole was not drilled, the klicky would look just like a regular one and could be packed into a set. I don't think Geobra could be cavalier (wasteful) with excess parts back in those days, so it's likely they used surplus parts up. This would also explain why sometimes 'older' klicky parts show up with 'later' ones, such as Flat-edged feet with Molded heads (types 3a and 4a in the chart, MMFs and MMFd).

Mine are types 9 and 10 in the chart (MORono and MORnon); yours, StJohn, is type 11 (MORsos), meaning all three would date from 1978 to 1981 if they fit the pattern -I didn't include either of mine in the 600 on which the table is based, though. Collector shows five fixed-wrist Keychains (none matches my two klickies, nor yours StJohn), four dated 1978, so our keychain heads would fit the timeline.

Anyone with a fixed-wrist keychain (Sylvia?) might be able to help here. I don't collect them, but the few I have don't have this head type, there is a central column into which the keychain screws.

Any more details on yours, Tahra?

Thanks StJohn, great photos!
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Re: How do you tell when a (fixed-wrist) klicky was manufactured?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2019, 10:40:34 »
Anyone with a fixed-wrist keychain (Sylvia?) might be able to help here. I don't collect them, but the few I have don't have this head type, there is a central column into which the keychain screws.

The ones I dechained were like that too - the inside of the head is different.. Don't think I ever did that to a fixed wrists one.. no idea if I have any (to dechain or mount3, if so - we don't do keychains :P )

Any more details on yours, Tahra?

Now I can't find the pic... :wall:
Tahra