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Offline The_Mad_Hadder

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How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« on: November 02, 2016, 16:18:53 »
The year is 1869 and the Transcontinental Railroad has been completed back on May 10th. With the civil war passed only 4 years prior and a country still on the mend the locomotive played a pivotal roll on rebuilding of a nation. My question to you rail buffs out there is this:

On a level grade how many rail cars loaded could one steam engine such as the Jupiter pull?

I know that the lay out would be the engine and tender followed by a box car (for mail) then a flat bed car, then passanger car either 1 or 2 followed by box cars, cattle cars and possibly a caboose though not often.

 I have found that a steam locomotive on a ruling grade of 0.43% could pull 5500 tons without help any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 18:44:07 »
That's a tricky one.  I found an interesting discussion about trains from the 1880s at this link it's model railroaders so they go super-geeky about what was typical and so on which is just what you are probably looking for. There's a good book reference you might look into there as well. I would say it sounds like 7-12 is a typical train of that type and the car sizes we get in Playmo. That is about right as far as pulling capacity on a Playmo single engine block too.

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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 18:59:00 »
is just what you are probably looking for.

Tim, I could not say it better myself. Thank you for the assistance, this is perfect. I was thinking of going with 8-9 rail cars so that will give me 2 more freight cars and 2 cattle cars on the end of the train.

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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 21:14:00 »
I'd always understood that Playmobil recommended no more than four pieces of rolling stock.
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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 21:16:05 »
I'd always understood that Playmobil recommended no more than four pieces of rolling stock.

Are you talking about the electric trains that get power from the track or the battery operated RC ones?
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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 21:23:47 »
I'd understood all. 
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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2016, 08:09:24 »
Sorry, there is no simple answer to that.... :help:


There is a difference between the 12 V= and RC motors. The 12 V= is more powerful and the motor drives the two axles directly by gears. The 12 V= Playmobil locomotives can be compared with the Stainz from LGB. For the Stainz 11 2-axle cars unloaded and 13 4-axle cars with bogies unloaded is the maximum on flat terrain. Keep in mind that 2-axle cars has a higher friction in the curves. The maximum gradient with no (0, zero) cars is 18%.
In practice 5 to 6 loaded cars on a 3% gradient is a neat train. You can improve that by reducing the friction from the cars:
— Replace the axles by axles with roller bearing and independent moving wheels (quite expensive, LGB 67403).
— Replace the R1 curves by more gentle curves.
— Replace the 2-axle cars by 4-axle cars with bogies (pity, Playmobil is making only one passenger car with bogies).
— Reduce the gradient to less than 3%.


The RC motor is a different story. The old RC motor (with the blue remote control) is powered by a 6 V= motor that drives only one axle direct with gears. The second axle is powered by coupling rods on the outside. In my opinion this is a weak solution with a lot of friction.
The last RC locomotive with the gray remote control is much better (5258), this locomotive is powered by two axles each with it's own (smaller) motor.
The maximum train lenght in practice is about 5 cars, but greatly depends on:
— The batteries used in the locomotive (4x2600 mAh NiMH gives more power than 4x1100 mAh NiCd).
And the same rules as the 12V= trains:
— Replace the axles by axles with roller bearing and independent moving wheels (quite expensive, LGB 67403).
— Replace the R1 curves by more gentle curves.
— Replace the 2-axle cars by 4-axle cars with bogies (pity, Playmobil is making only one passenger car with bogies).
— Reduce the gradient to less than 3%.





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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 21:17:19 »
The biggest problem with the Playmobil loco motor block is that it has a worm driven gear and too much load will strip the gear.
The new loco has two motors and only gears and will stall the motors before it will strips the gears. On test I have pulled 19 tanker wagons and also 13 Panorama coaches.
Will be trying more coaches at the next G Scale society meeting.
The stall current on the new loco is 2 amps.

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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 21:58:58 »
Question about gradient:

Is a 3% gradient having the track rise 3 inches in 100 inches?

 

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Re: How many rail cars would a 1869 Steam engine pull
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 22:29:08 »
Question about gradient:

Is a 3% gradient having the track rise 3 inches in 100 inches?
Yes, or 3 cm in 100 cm.