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Creative => How-To => Topic started by: Andy R on April 29, 2010, 06:02:08

Title: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on April 29, 2010, 06:02:08
I recently got a new pirate boat with the pirate emblem already on it. I hate it. ¿Does anyone have an idea to take it out?
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on April 29, 2010, 14:23:52
You need to show us the sail, so we may be able to help you!
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: playmo1989 on April 29, 2010, 14:58:29
from which ship were these ??
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on May 02, 2010, 05:58:26
Set 5869 (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=5869&pics=on)
Large, ragged sail, part number 30 81 5502
(http://playmodb.org/parts/30%2081%205502.gif)
I can patch the sail myself, but I can't get the picture off of it. Advice?
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: playmofire on May 02, 2010, 06:18:57
The picture will  be printed on and the solution may be not one of taking it off as covering it over, e.g. by dye.
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 02, 2010, 12:04:00
The picture will  be printed on and the solution may be not one of taking it off as covering it over, e.g. by dye.

My thoughts exactly Gordon! You could use plastic paint or dye in what ever color you desire to change it to!
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: cachalote on May 02, 2010, 13:55:58
maybe you will have to dye the sail black.  :hmm:
otherwise the print will always be visible.
you could always try to use a sail form another ref. schooner but i think they all have a print.
  :'(
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: socrates on May 02, 2010, 16:48:00
IMHO you should try to get one of the other red sails to replace the colored one:
http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30%2089%206890

Or is it any imprint at all that bothers you?

There are some discussions along pirates anyway that the ripped sails are in itself tremendously unrealistic. ;)

So, maybe you will end up in making your own, custom-designed sails after all.
We are looking forward for pictures...

best,
socrates
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 02, 2010, 17:27:39
Treu, if something does not fit your design...improvise.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on May 03, 2010, 05:19:59
Ok, so I reviewed the suggestions quickly and…
I’ve tried hiding the imprints with marker pens and crayons (with a prior sail), I tried painting over it (with hand paints and even with spray paint). Of the options, the only one that actually hid the imprint was spray paint, which stiffened the material to the point it became worthless. With everything else the image still showed through.
Maybe if I didn’t hate pirates, or it was some other type of image (like a fishing symbol), this wouldn’t be an issue. Unfortunately, I hate pirates…
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: socrates on May 03, 2010, 09:02:37
Maybe if I didn’t hate pirates, or it was some other type of image (like a fishing symbol), this wouldn’t be an issue. Unfortunately, I hate pirates…

Well, then there is no other way than to pimp the ship to a civilian one, using schooner sails or self made ones.
The later is fun, I especially like the fact that you can work for two of the foremost sails, which make the ship look much more impressive. (like in the good old http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=3740 :) )

(even though it is not easy to find fabric of the original playmo consistency...  :-\ )

best,
socrates
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on May 11, 2010, 06:56:37
Uh, ya... Nobody seems to know what it is.
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: playmofire on May 11, 2010, 08:42:15
Uh, ya... Nobody seems to know what it is.

Try here:

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=3486.0
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on May 12, 2010, 05:21:03
Try here:
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=3486.0
I am aware of that thread; It was kind-of agreed that broadcloth made an acceptable replacement, but isn’t the original material.
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: skypurr on May 12, 2010, 10:59:14
I had some black interfacing (sometimes called vilene) so thought I'd try this. 
I'm not sure if this was heavy or medium weight but it was the thickest the shop had.
I divided the material into four (without cutting it) folded over the first quarter and ironed it then folded over the next and ironed that, then finally the fourth quarter. 
Together the four layers made an almost identical material to the sails.
I'm short of a sail on one of my ships so I'll try it and post photos if it works OK.
(I now need to go and get some more for what I needed it for in the first place!  :lol:)

Elaine
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: playmofire on May 12, 2010, 15:43:25
I thought the heavy duty was adequate as a single layer when I was experimenting.
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: skypurr on May 12, 2010, 21:30:30
The interfacing I have is the iron-on variety and I don't think it is as thick or as stiff as the non iron-on, but becomes thicker and firmer when ironed.  Using the four layers of the weight I had made it almost identical to the original sales.

(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/skypurr/sails2.jpg)

a close up of both types of material ...

(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/skypurr/sails.jpg)

The sails were very easy to make - I used a leather punch for the holes and a craft knife for the little slits at the bottom of the sales.
Here is the completed ship - unfortunately I didn't realise that this ship was missing 2 long grey spars, so had to use tan coloured ones - I do think it would have looked better with grey. 
I cut the pattern for the sails from the schooner sails as they didn't have pieces cut out of them.  I did wonder if I should have cut the main sail a bit shorter because it slightly covers the lantern (Gordon will be telling me off - saying it's a fire hazard ;D)

(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/skypurr/blacksails.jpg)

I did experiment with a silver pen on a spare piece of material and found that I could have put some sort of markings on the sails, but  decided to leave them for now.
All in all I was quite pleased with how they turned out.

We took it out on the beach for a sail this evening so I'll post some photos of that in the Photography section.

Elaine
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: playmofire on May 12, 2010, 21:32:51
Very impressive work, Elaine.

I have some spar spars I'm sure for this ship in grey.  I'll have a look tomorrow and scan them in and post them for you to see.  Then, if they're the right ones they are yours.
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: skypurr on May 12, 2010, 23:30:02
Very impressive work, Elaine.

I have some spar spars I'm sure for this ship in grey. 

Thanks Gordon, I'd be very grateful for any spare spars (even spar spars  ;D)  I'll have to get making some more truffles  ;D

Elaine
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 13, 2010, 05:43:11
Wonderfull job Elaine!! I really need some sails on two or three of my boats and i think i'll try for your  method!!! I might come back asking you a few questions in the process though...

Thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: Clean Sails.
Post by: Andy R on May 19, 2010, 07:07:25
Well, I should try it.
Tommarrow (too late tonight) I’ll print out the suggestion and see how it turns out.