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Hello, Playmofriends!
It's time for some pirates! :arrr:
I've got this "Pirate Crew" ("borrowed" from Collectobil, & attached), which is a delightful set ... (It brings many little things, most models of light weaponry, treasure, rope!, and there's even a wonderful version of young Jim Hawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island) for a big child to imagine a lot of plots! ;D )
However I don't have yet a camera that allows me to focus well -- this will take a couple of months :-\ --, I decided to make some shots of Joe Cartagena's studio, and it came out (almost) very nice, so, here you are a previous part of "The Pirates' Chronicles"!
Gus
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Rio, June '08
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Nice story Gus, I want more! Was that a fight breaking out in picture 7?
I bought the 3939 set when it was in the shops here years ago, one of my favourite pirate sets. 3 adult klickies, the cabin boy, and a skeleton, plus loads of small bits - great set.
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More would be good, Gus.
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Hi Gus
I liked this story much better than your "non-linear" archer story (though the scene layout of the archer story appealed a lot to me).
My only criticism, from the perspective of an amateur "published" writer:
The skull leads off the story and my immediate impression was that he was the main character.
Quickly, however, the narrative changes track, and the story moves to a character so un-decorated that we know him simply as "Joe".
A multi-panel description of Joe follows, relying entirely on narrative and some lightly illustrative scenes of Joe setting out his wine glasses (as opposed to delegating to a servant--suggesting Joe prefers doing it himself (perhaps he's not accustomed to household help, having come from a poor family or perhaps he doesn't trust servants in his hideout, or perhaps...) for show on the table.
After all the narration from the skull (who is he? is he somebody Joe murdered?), I inferred that Joe is a rich, solitary guy who invites friends over for drinks and to show-off his cash, then kills his friends if they are louts enough to ask for a hand-out.
Granted, I've been tempted to do the same myself.
Seriously, though, it's harder to write a story than it looks, and good job.
The backdrop looks good--your books in the background gave me the impression of a study or library without you actually having to build a room interior.
-Tim
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I liked this story much better than your "non-linear" archer story (though the scene layout of the archer story appealed a lot to me).
I like the dinamics of "The Introduction of the Archer", but I'll have to work in a better scenary for next stories ... I think it'll only be solved when I have maybe two or three framework houses. Until then, I'll have to improvise, but even so I feel (with myself) that I need a better improvisation (to myself, for esthetic reasons). Especially because I will have to make some field excursions of Elmo -- a playmofriend has given him a nice gift, that is on its way ;) ... I hope to be able to shoot soon!
As for Frenam the Skull, ... His stories (I hope!) will be told, but I'll need flesh for him. For the moment, I only have bones ;D
G.
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Nice story Gus, I want more! Was that a fight breaking out in picture 7?
:yup:
G.
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More would be good, Gus.
Looking forward to seeing more, Gus!
I'd love to post more, but it's getting late,
... and I realize that I'm having much less sleep due to Playmobil :-[
Sometimes I'll may do it, but sometimes I won't :( So, it'll have to wait a bit. I hope I may do it still until the middle of the week!
Even though I don't always log in Playmofriends during the day, at work, I keep an eye most all of the time, so I'm always seeing you ;D & the news!
Well, this is it for today.
:wave: :'(
G.
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Hello, Gus ...
I liked Timmy's critique (as I wrote in another post ... I wish that I had known him before).
However, that said, after re-reading your story several times, I think that it works quite well both visually and narratively. Your story-line is engaging and intriguing. I really do want to find out what happens next.
Since I live "in the islands," I want to know more about Frenam. For instance, where, specifically, and why did he meet his demise?
And, how is it that Joe is a "freeman" during the time of the rum trade? And, where has Joe taken Frenam's skull?
Lots of questions to be answered.
Thanks and all the best,
Richard
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I like the dinamics of "The Introduction of the Archer", but I'll have to work in a better scenary for next stories ... I think it'll only be solved when I have maybe two or three framework houses. Until then, I'll have to improvise, but even so I feel (with myself) that I need a better improvisation (to myself, for esthetic reasons). Especially because I will have to make some field excursions of Elmo -- a playmofriend has given him a nice gift, that is on its way ;) ... I hope to be able to shoot soon!
G.
I prefer the Sir Elmo and Fletcher stories because they have such a "childlike" approach. They are the sort a child would make up for itself or a parent for a child and have a wonderful innocence with them. The "lack" of scenery for me isn't a problem, the books (carefully chosen for their titles or for their size?), the walls of the room and the surface of the desk or table provide all that is needed, the relationship between the characters and the author doing all that's needed. The books can be books or hills or mountains or buildings, just as the story requires. (Remember, H G Wells' book "Little Wars" uses books for these purposes.) That's not to say that there isn't a place for some mediaeval houses and the occasional tree or fence, but a minimal approach ("less is more") is, I think, the way to go with Sir Elmo and Fletcher.
While writing the above, the thought came to me that these stories in many ways are about what happens at night when the owners of the Playmobil are in bed!
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While writing the above, the thought came to me that these stories in many ways are about what happens at night when the owners of the Playmobil are in bed!
Wow ... this is the "whimsical" side of you that I've never seen before, Gordon!
Delightful and quite impressive ... Love it ... :love:
And, I had no idea ...
(Remember, H G Wells' book "Little Wars" uses books for these purposes.)
(http://zeitcom.com/majgen/litw1.gif)
You're full of surprises, old friend ... :klickywink:
(http://zeitcom.com/majgen/litwar.jpg)
All the best,
Richard
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Since I live "in the islands," I want to know more about Frenam. For instance, where, specifically, and why did he meet his demise?
And, how is it that Joe is a "freeman" during the time of the rum trade? And, where has Joe taken Frenam's skull?
Lots of questions to be answered.
They will be answered in time ;D master Rich ...
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G.
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Hello, Playmofriends!
Here it is two sequences that I had shot as soon as the third playmodelivery arrived ...
As I wrote somewhere else, this week I'll be moving, so know the creatures of heaven what will be of the week ... (work + taking things from here two floors down ... -- which's where I'm moving to ... It may look easy, but in the end, we'll have a lot of work, because we'll do it ourselves here ... & Right now that my father had to travel, because of work! ... Anyway!)
So, here I go with the sequence of "The Pirates".
I intend to shoot a little sequence of the episode when Carpenter meets young Gus (the boy), but it didn't go as I'd like to, so I'll jump to the next part, and maybe later I'll do the previous one.
I give you, therefore,
"The Pirates & The Map"
Introduction to "Pirates against Pirates"
Gus
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Hm ... It took a bit longer than I expected to wrap up the first part, & weekend's come to the end. Second part will have to wait a bit :-[
Well ... See you!
Ah : & Let me know what you think about this first part of the story, please! :)
G.
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LOL I somehow missed the new episodes Gus, I think they appeared while I was in Ireland with no internet access.
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There were very few commentaries. (None to the last three ...)
Either it people missed it, because I published many stories in the same thread,
or general opinion wasn't much inclined to them. I don't know.
At least someone likes it, so that I can continue. (I was going to ... Therefore, it can continue without me feeling that I'm being boring ... There are plans for this story that I have to see complete ;D ) & A few er ... funny surprises. (Maybe it won't be funny to everyone, it's funny to me ...)
Since you liked it, I'll publish the director's cut of "A Book Delirium", later ...
Gus
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[Ps. I hope the same doesn't happen with Elmo & Fletcher's sequences of "Fletcher's trip", which will all be along the same thread ...]
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Ther plot thickens...
I'm starting to need a "cast of characters" list, with pictures. There's a couple of people mentioned that I don't think we've seen, though this may all come clear in time.
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I intend this to be a bit less theatrical than Elmo & Fletcher, Martin ...
Don't worry much if you find names you can't recognize. In time, you'll get what matters.
Thanks for [the] feedback, by the way ... :)
[Very important :yup:]
Gus
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Hey Gus,
you're very welcome, and I hope we haven't overburdened you with Playmo so you have nowhere to store it all ;D
Im lookign forward to spotting the new arrivals in your stories!
cheers, Martin
Most of them have names, already, Martin.
The keychain won't go in the stories, because I called him "young Vinegar", and I imagine him as the one they call the old (Billy) Vinegar ...
The lass (blondie one) has a name, already.
By the way, the two girls will give me a ... more beautiful touch, to "The Pirates' Chronicles"! ;)
I hope I can begin shooting soon, but I have to structure a few things before, and see where I go on from, because now there's plenty of people to shoot.
(But there's a main line of story, that will appear soon, that is set from the beginning, when I got set 3939 ;D , which is the search of the boy for his brother ...)
Cheers!
Gus
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A large percentage of my fun with Playmobil is thinking up the stories, even if they never actually get told in photo form. That was pretty much how I played with all toys when I was a kid, thinking up stories.
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D'oh, I was posting a reply and navigated away from the page by iatake!
I ead the story last night Gus, but couldn't make sense of it - I do now though, so it was just me being too tired to read it properly.
I like the use of the mirror as stage dressing, and the marble table - you do very well with your props and backgrounds. I also like the klicky eye-level view, puts the viewer in amongst the action.
I have a feeling that Aubrey, Joe and Gus will have more problems before they take delivery of their boats.
Glad they got through this meeting without bloodshed, it was touch and go there for a while.
Now I go through all three parts of the map story, I see it was Italian Bart eavesdropping on Aubrey's conversation with Joe - I missed that before.
So Dan Davies is going to"acquire" a couple of boats for Aubrey, Joe and Gus, but Jim and Italian Bart are likely to throw a spanner in the works somehow.
This story and plot are really developing now Gus - would it be OK for me to split this thread into story posts and comment posts? It might be easier for people to follow the action, which is really hotting up, with eight different characters, not counting Frenum and Sir Elmo the cat.
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This story and plot are really developing now Gus - would it be OK for me to split this thread into story posts and comment posts? It might be easier for people to follow the action, which is really hotting up, with eight different characters, not counting Frenum and Sir Elmo the cat.
Hello, Martin :) I'll begin from the end. I'd like to maintain these posts connected still a bit longer. However, I did post an "index" and eventually, maybe I will put on a blog like I did with Elmo & Fletcher (http://blackhairgus.blogspot.com/) ... I'm willing to put all the playmostories in the same blog, though, & this is why I've been waiting to make posts on pirates there. But for the moment, I'd like to maintain these parts of the map plot in the same thread. Maybe, if I come to see that it goes uncomfortable in the future, I'll may ask your help on this.
Thanks for the suggestion, though. I'd like to hear other playmofriends ideas on how the story is running for readers, so as to make it better to be read :yup:, but it seems that they're either enjoying or passing by without taking attention to them. (At least I've had feedback from Anne & Gordon, who are enjoying the stories -- Gordon likes Elmo & Fletcher more, up till now ... Let's see if it keeps like this ;D ... & you, who seems to be liking these pirate plots better, aye? ::) )
Anyway, the index is in the News board, link below. & The hint is to open and read all the first story before, and, after that, open the second, read it all along, and after that, open the third one. If someone opens the third before his/her computer having loaded down the pictures above, he (or she) will have a bit of awkward feeling that the story is running away: it's because the computer is loading down all the pictures of how many may be the stories above, so, it'll slip down, and down, until it's complete. But, if you open the first first, the second after the first, & the third after the two before, it doesn't happen, and the index works out perfectly. (I have to put this info in the blog, because the same happens with the "Fletcher's New Place" plotline, which is all along one same thread.
So, "Pirates Stories" Index, in the News board: http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2489.msg28142#msg28142
I'm making this as an experiment, so, before doing any splitting episodes, I'd like to hear from other playmofriends, what they think. But thanks again for the suggestion. I'll keep it in my thoughts.
[Ooops!!! Got it wrong what you said once again, Martin ... Sorry, not the first time it happens ... Lack of attention in the reading, as well as reading to fast. I shouldn't do that!
So, let me go into this again, from the beginning:
This story and plot are really developing now Gus - would it be OK for me to split this thread into story posts and comment posts? It might be easier for people to follow the action, which is really hotting up, with eight different characters, not counting Frenum and Sir Elmo the cat.
If you have the pacience of splitting the whole thing in an uninterrupted storyline & a commentaries thread apart, it'd be great for the exact reason you spotted! ... ;D So, if you can, do it please! :yup: I'll be very happy about it, as well as the readers, I believe! (Starting by you, who like to comment on them :) ) / G.]
I like the use of the mirror as stage dressing, and the marble table - you do very well with your props and backgrounds. I also like the klicky eye-level view, puts the viewer in amongst the action.
ON STAGE MATTERS ;D
It's GREAT to use my (very small) mirror as a playmomirror, because it's like a giant mirror in a rich gentleman's house :yup: ... (& Its colour quite helps, don't you think? :) )
Concerning the "marble table", it was quite a luck that I came by it, when I moved, recently, but, as soon as I spotted it, I thought "hm!!!: table!!! ;D". & It did came out nicely, I love it too. EVEN with the bad ("hypermetropic") eyesight (focus) of my poor camera, it's possible to see some of the reflex of the klickys on the table ... That effect made me really happy, & surprised :)! (Specially because of the poor condition of the camera that I'm using here ...)
More on the "camera topic" in the Little Theatre thread, http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2490.msg28178#msg28178
I have a feeling that Aubrey, Joe and Gus will have more problems before they take delivery of their boats.
Glad they got through this meeting without bloodshed, it was touch and go there for a while.
Now I go through all three parts of the map story, I see it was Italian Bart eavesdropping on Aubrey's conversation with Joe - I missed that before.
So Dan Davies is going to"acquire" a couple of boats for Aubrey, Joe and Gus, but Jim and Italian Bart are likely to throw a spanner in the works somehow.
ON PLOT 8}
No worries here, Playmofriends : I'm not telling either the end or even the sequencing of the plot ::) It's actually HIGHLY classified to any writer who worries about his own reputation! ;)
It's great that you noticed that it was Italian Bart evesdropping Joe & Aubrey, in the first part ... It was! ;D
Be prepared for more characters, by the way ... Someone's been sending a lot o' pirates ... 'Have to use them all! ;D They ALL have names already, and I'm making plots like crazy, so as to see how to better introduce each 8}
( :love: 'Love the job!!! :yup: )
The pirates stories are full of details. If there's anything you don't understand (& it's worthed to all Playmofriends! :) ), do tell me. It might be obscure, here & there, however, there's a lot of things to happen, so : :evilplan:
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Thanks for posting a feedback, Martin!
It helps a lot!
Gus
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Thanks for the suggestion, though. I'd like to hear other playmofriends ideas on how the story is running for readers, so as to make it better to be read :yup:, but it seems that they're either enjoying or passing by without taking attention to them. (At least I've had feedback from Anne & Gordon, who are enjoying the stories -- Gordon likes Elmo & Fletcher more, up till now ... Let's see if it keeps like this ;D ... & you, who seems to be liking these pirate plots better, aye? ::) )
Hm ... Never mention people, cause you'll end up being unfair about not mentioning someone ... Richard showed as well kind interest for Elmo & Fletcher ... & Tim seems to be kind of following all of them, as well. (He neither manifested or showed any preferences ... :P )
(&, Whoever else ... I'm sorry if I didn't mention somebody else (i.e. you, whoever you might be, who's reading this 8} ) ...)
ON PLOT 8}
It's great that you noticed that it was Italian Bart evesdropping Joe & Aubrey, in the first part ... It was! ;D
Be prepared for more characters, by the way ... Someone's been sending a lot o' pirates ... 'Have to use them all! ;D They ALL have names already, and I'm making plots like crazy, so as to see how to better introduce each 8}
I'll only add one more thing: a list of characters, the ones shown, & the ones mentioned:
CHARACTERS WHO HAVE APPEARED
(In order of appearance)
~ Frenam (don Frenan Diego (?)), the skull of a Spaniard
~ Joe ("Joe" Cartagena), a rum runner (? ;D ) wealthy (free) man, in the Caribbean islands
~ Carpenter ("Aubrey" Carpenter), a ... well, he likes to visit friends, and drink with (& from) them!
~ Gus (Gustaf Johnson), a boy, in search of his lost brother, whose name, although not mentioned, happens to be Tim ...
~ Woodleg Jim (James Baker), a man of questionable reputation, who's lost everything because of the Governor's strict policy against piracy
~ Italian Bart (Bartolomeo (Italian surname?)); according to Woodleg Jim, Italian Bart has something to do with the Governor; Bart said that he might have had business with Aubrey Carpenter, so, they might be familiar (? :evilplan: ); up till now, we know that he is an attendant at Dan Davies' house ...
~ Dan Davies (Daniel Davies), a renegate British Marines officer; he might have been considered dangerous to the service of His Magesty, possibly for having passed information to the French, "they say ..." ;)
~ Black Phil (his story will still be told, so, I won't tell much more here than that he's) an "associate" of Dan Davies
~ Tareja Key (Chain ;D ), same as Black Phil
CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN MENTIONED
~ Roy, an associate of Woodleg Jim
~ Old Vinegar (Billy Vinegar, William (don't know his actual surname ...)), old friend and associate of Joe Cartagena, who died in a plot in which pirates boarded their ship, and stole their rum shipment (...)
OTHER important "CHARACTERS"
~ There's a parrot, at W. Jim's place ...
~ Jim's chicken! ;D
~ little Sir Elmo, Dan's cat
NEXT ...
You'll have to wait! :wave:
Gus
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So, let me go into this again, from the beginning:
If you have the patience of splitting the whole thing in an uninterrupted storyline & a commentaries thread apart, it'd be great for the exact reason you spotted! ... ;D So, if you can, do it please! :yup: I'll be very happy about it, as well as the readers, I believe! (Starting by you, who like to comment on them :) ) / G.]
Gus
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Done, after a couple of hiccups due to user error. :-[
I think it's easier to read the story this way, though it may make the comments harder to link back to a particular post - see what you think, they can be recombined if preferred.
cheers, Martin
p.s. it was Italian Bart's white scarf that gave it away!
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Salve, Gustabone--
Historia tua fuit ... "Gustabonis" (de Gustabonis vel simile opere Gustabone scriptae). Dictus est melior? Quid plus dicere possum? Historiae tuae... honestes essemus... de luna descenderunt.
Sed, plus da.
Tuus in valetudine,
-Timothellus
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Euge, Timothelle :lol:
Loquerisne tu ipse, aut Babelfish? ...
Si loqueris tu, bene facis ... Melius, dicere possum, quam poteram ego, qui clausus esse sentio ... :-\
Aliquid de quo spem non habebam ad faciendum non hic, Playmofriendibus ...
Recte ... Bene!
Vale!
Angliscaque sed in lingua sequor, ad aliorum Playmofriendum beneficium ...
~ Gustabonus scribit haec uerba ~
qui P. Oliua Guga ut Romanus uir,
de Romanis seminibus, uia Medieualias,
descendo ... Hebraeis de Romanis, sed Romanis!
Quod est quia hoc signum facio:
P. Oliua Guga
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Sed Gustabonus me appellare potes, si tibi placet ... Bonum nomen est.
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Done, after a couple of hiccups due to user error. :-[
I think it's easier to read the story this way, though it may make the comments harder to link back to a particular post - see what you think, they can be recombined if preferred.
No doubt, it's much better split apart stories & comments!
Thanks for doing it, Martin! I'm sure it'll be more comfortable to everyone! :yup:
p.s. it was Italian Bart's white scarf that gave it away!
Nice! ;D
'Bought some material (paper) for a specific scenario I'll need soon ... 8}
It's wonderful playtime! 'Wish I had MORE time to spend on doing these things!! :-\ Weekend looks so far away!!
Well ... It'll come.
Gus
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Loquerisne tu ipse, aut Babelfish? ...
P. Olive Guge, si vales, valeo.
Loquerisne tu ipse, aut Babelfish? ...
Annis tribus in "schola alta" (schola ante universitade) didici.
Timothellus
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Recte ... Aliquo cum loqui habeo, nam cogito!
Oliua
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ERRATUM
If you all take a look at my stories, you'll see that NONE OF THEM is edited. I prefer to maintain mistakes in the threads than editting them. (I think it makes them more genuine ...)
I like dearly this comments thread, because I'll may post here some of the things I find wrong, in the stories ... Such as the one below, that I actually wrote wrong.
DAN How humanistic of you, Aubrey-me-boy! I'm deeply moved, I am! So, once you won't tell me what it's all about, you'll have to pay: I can dispose you two boats, two pieces of ten [five] in gold each!
CARP I have no chrome, Dan ; four pieces of two each, non-chromed silver!
DAN You're miserable! Three gold -- non-chrome, ne'er expected you to have chrome anyway! --, so three gold pieces of two, one silver, and it's a low price: it's take it or loose it! Unless you're beginning to think that it'll be worth telling me a bit more ...
CARP Where am I supposed to take such amount of money? You're out of your mind!
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/04_pirates-et-map_parts-on/01_carpenter-et-davies/pirates_carp-et-dan025.jpg)
I've made a sort of scale for giving the proper value of each kind of playmocoins,
so, in my stories, it's like this:
chrome gold = more valuable
non-chrome gold = very valuable
non-chrome silver = popular
&
1 non-chrome gold = many non-chrome silver (not sure of the amount yet, if 5, 8, 10 ...)
(I'll find out. Maybe you will help me with it, Playmofriends! 8} )
Gus
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As all the coins come in denominations of 1, 2 and 5, it would seem sensible to have
10 silver = 1 dull gold
10 dull gold = 1 shiny gold
8 might be fun (pieces of eight) but I think decimal is easier.
So Gus, we now have to set a scale of monetary values for things!
If 1 silver is the smallest value coin, then a loaf of bread might be 1 silver, a cooked chicken 2 silvers etc.
So how much might a small rowing boat cost? or a bigger ship?
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ERRATUM
If you all take a look at my stories, you'll see that NONE OF THEM is edited. I prefer to maintain mistakes in the threads than editting them. (I think it makes them more genuine ...)
If it floats your boat, Gus. Sounds great. ???
I've made a sort of scale for giving the proper value of each kind of playmocoins,
so, in my stories, it's like this:
chrome gold = more valuable
non-chrome gold = very valuable
non-chrome silver = popular
&
1 non-chrome gold = many non-chrome silver (not sure of the amount yet, if 5, 8, 10 ...)
(I'll find out. Maybe you will help me with it, Playmofriends! 8} )
Hokay, so I polish the gold to get chrome gold and make a $100.
That implicitly suggests that wax is a valuable commodity in mundo Gustabonis.
-Tim
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As all the coins come in denominations of 1, 2 and 5, it would seem sensible to have
10 silver = 1 dull gold
10 dull gold = 1 shiny gold
8 might be fun (pieces of eight) but I think decimal is easier.
So Gus, we now have to set a scale of monetary values for things!
If 1 silver is the smallest value coin, then a loaf of bread might be 1 silver, a cooked chicken 2 silvers etc.
So how much might a small rowing boat cost? or a bigger ship?
So how much might a small rowing boat cost? or a bigger ship?
I consider that boats, transportations in general (big ones), as well as (big) animals in general are smaller in Playmobil reallity than in our reality, so, prices will be lower as well ...
I'll make some calculations, because I like proportions, Martin, but I have to admit that I won't be accurate, because I wan'na use my coins ;D
I like the idea of 1 silver for a piece of bread, and 2 silver for a meal. It's a beginning
Remember that
piece of 1 = crown
piece of 2 = arms/shield
piece of 5 = King
besides the kinds of money
dull silver
dull gold
shiny gold
as well as there are gold nuggets, that may be thought to be worth at least ten shiny-gold pieces of five, maybe more ... :)
I'll think about a good price for a small boat, and for a 4444 Kanonensegler, because these are the main ones I intend to use! :yup:
Gus
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I consider that boats, transportations in general (big ones), as well as (big) animals in general are smaller in Playmobil reallity than in our reality, so, prices will be lower as well ...
I'll make some calculations, because I like proportions, Martin, but I have to admit that I won't be accurate, because I wan'na use my coins ;D
I like the idea of 1 silver for a piece of bread, and 2 silver for a meal. It's a beginning
Remember that
piece of 1 = crown
piece of 2 = arms/shield
piece of 5 = King
besides the kinds of money
dull silver
dull gold
shiny gold
as well as there are gold nuggets, that may be thought to be worth at least ten shiny-gold pieces of five, maybe more ... :)
I'll think about a good price for a small boat, and for a 4444 Kanonensegler, because these are the main ones I intend to use! :yup:
Gus
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Hi Gus
In real life:
Short of government price controls (which it sounds like you may be imposing), the price of gold would boil down to its weight and market value for that weight. A gold nugget would be worth the value of the same weight of coins, or more if the gold coins are debased (mixed with copper or tin or whatever).
Shiny gold and dull gold are the same beast. A merchant would be a fool to be so wooed by glimmer.
Unless the "shiny" gold comes from a more reputable mint, that is known not to debase its coinage.
As for silver buying a piece of bread--ouch, expensive bread. Inflation must be high in your land, or the silver coin extremely debased.
-Tim
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I'd love Playmobil to make copper colour coins (like the colour used in the rusty sabers that come with skeletons, in 3939 ...)
Very nice it'd be.
However, while I have only these kinds, the cheapest I can price a piece of bread is 1 silver piece-of-one, so, 1 silver piece-of-one will be! ;D
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Now, I miss some new kinds of coins to be used with Romans: coins with owls at the back, with emperor's faces (i.e., face without a crown, but with lauri ... 'dunno how laurus is called in English ...), and maybe (very, very maybe, because it wouldn't be historical, but funny only) with values of I, II and V at the back :lol:
An owl for I, a female wolf for II and the emperor's face with the lauri for V!
This would be great!!!
Gus
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Hi Gus
In real life:
Short of government price controls (which it sounds like you may be imposing), the price of gold would boil down to its weight and market value for that weight. A gold nugget would be worth the value of the same weight of coins, or more if the gold coins are debased (mixed with copper or tin or whatever).
Shiny gold and dull gold are the same beast. A merchant would be a fool to be so wooed by glimmer.
Unless the "shiny" gold comes from a more reputable mint, that is known not to debase its coinage.
As for silver buying a piece of bread--ouch, expensive bread. Inflation must be high in your land, or the silver coin extremely debased.
-Tim
I meant a LOAF of bread for 1 silver, not one slice...
You can get up to 20 slices out of a loaf.
Tim - since Playmo have created both shint and dull gold coins, and they clearly look different (and some wax isn't gonna fix that mate) I think it makes good sense to use them as different values - maybe the shiny gold is ultra-gold, or some material unique to the Playmobil world.
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I meant a LOAF of bread for 1 silver, not one slice...
You can get up to 20 slices out of a loaf.
Tim - since Playmo have created both shint and dull gold coins, and they clearly look different (and some wax isn't gonna fix that mate) I think it makes good sense to use them as different values - maybe the shiny gold is ultra-gold, or some material unique to the Playmobil world.
Hi Martin, if you these coins into their Roman equivalent, you may see what I mean about the tilted cost structure.
This is from Wikipedia on the topic of the Roman silver denarius:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius
1 gold aureus = 2 gold quinarii = 25 silver denarii = 50 silver quinarii =100 bronze sestertii = 200 bronze dupondii = 400 copper as = 800 copper semisses = 1600 copper quadrans
According to the article, a gold piece was of such high value as not to appear in daily circulation. The reason Playmobil only supports silver and gold pieces is because those are pirate loot from treasure chests.
Pirates don't bust their butts to steal chests of copper pennies.
I believe a loaf of bread, which would need to be affordable to a day laborer, would cost pennies, rather than a high denomination silver piece, which could reasonably amount to a month's salary. Gold on the other hand probably was handed around as transactions between governments or elite for high priced transactions (like tonnage of spice, property, etc).
OK, I'll be frank (you can be robert). The currency structure you guys are throwing around has a very Dungeons and Dragons or Video Game feel to it. In video games, bread costs a silver piece and ten gold buys you a shield. But the video games are slopped together without much research into realistic economic models!
-Tim
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How about using the dull gold as copper, and the shiny gold as...gold?
Does deflating the currency provide a bit more economic realism?
Some time did pass between the end of the Roman era nand the start of the Golden Age of Piracy, that's why they didn't call it the Coppery Age of Piracy.
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How about using the dull gold as copper, and the shiny gold as...gold?
Does deflating the currency provide a bit more economic realism?
Some time did pass between the end of the Roman era nand the start of the Golden Age of Piracy, that's why they didn't call it the Coppery Age of Piracy.
I think, Martin, that, for the realistic guys, it might work (having dull gold as copper), because copper is very needed, once it actually IS strange to use silver as the cheapest value, in a realistic viewpoint.
For the playing guys (my kind of playing guys*), I'll keep using silver as the lowest value, because I like dull gold as gold. Specially because shiny gold will seldom appear. I'm seeing to call it "pure gold" (while the dull would be "mixed" (?) (...)**), and I'm seriously (?***) thinking about the price of every and each thing, because I want to play!!! ;D ( = I want to write my playmophotostories!!! :love: )
*I say so because, if J had a son, I might adopt the realistic way to play with my kids, so as not to teach them wrong the value of silver!!! 8} & Parents ARE very (eager) playing guys, according to my 4-month experience in playmoforums ...
**& More detailed explainations/justifications to it are not only unecessary as well as I refuse to do it :P This was written to Tim, not to you, Martin :lol:
***Can this matter be considered serious at any rate??! :hmm:
OK, I'll be frank (you can be robert). The currency structure you guys are throwing around has a very Dungeons and Dragons or Video Game feel to it. In video games, bread costs a silver piece and ten gold buys you a shield. But the video games are slopped together without much research into realistic economic models!
Maybe, Tim, Dungeons & Dragons guys (& video game guys) played a lot playmobil, when they were kids ... Once Playmobil gave them no copper coins, the cheapest value would be silver ;D
(I hope you realize that I am JOKING here :-* on the forehead)
Gus
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THE VALUE OF EACH THING
In Gus' "The Pirates' Chronicles"
&/or (or not ::) ) "Elmo & Fletcher's Adventures"
carrot = 1 silver
bread
fish
bottle of rum
bottle of wine
mini-barrel of butter
mini-barrel of tobacco
cheese
a meal
room/bed (night)
a day of work (cutting wood, for example)
hat
case
lamp
dagger
compass
sack of grains
sword
pistol
longer fire arm
sextant
barrel of powder
barrel o rum
mandolin
small row boat
medium row boat
longboat
canon
medium sailboat = many gold nuggets
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Considering that the system adopted
by me
primarily is like
silver piece-of-one (or simply "1 silver", in homage to Long John Silver!!)
silver piece-of-two = 2 silver
silverpiece-of-five = 5 silver
gold piece-of-one = 5 silver
gold piece-of-two = 10 silver
gold piece-of-five = 25 silver
shiny (or pure) gold = 8 (dull) gold = 40 silver
My thought is that, as well as big playmobil stuff (big ship, big sea mamal, among other big things (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1184.0) like Andi's "puppies" ...) are smaller than actual correspondence, in scale, so will be my values of money!
I intend to calculate how much is a 4444 kanonensegler costs in gold (nuggets) and, from there, in (dull) gold 8}
If anyone has any (serious-but-not-too-serious-please*) suggestions, I'll accept them gladly.
Gus
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*I'm not wargaming here; I'm simply playing the adult (? ::) 8} ) play of the "little playmobil theatre" (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2490.0) ...
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Considering that the system adopted
by me
primarily is like
silver piece-of-one (or simply "1 silver", in homage to Long John Silver!!)
silver piece-of-two = 2 silver
silverpiece-of-five = 5 silver
gold piece-of-one = 5 silver
gold piece-of-two = 10 silver
gold piece-of-five = 25 silver
shiny (or pure) gold = 8 (dull) gold = 40 silver
I was taking a look at them,
there are three sizes of gold nuggets;
Therefore,
the bigger one = 10 pure gold pieces-of-five
the medium one = 8 pure gold pieces-of-five
& the small one = 5 pure gold pieces-of-five
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For the playing guys (my kind of playing guys*), I'll keep using silver as the lowest value, because I like dull gold as gold. Specially because shiny gold will seldom appear. I'm seeing to call it "pure gold" (while the dull would be "mixed" (?) (...)**), and I'm seriously (?***) thinking about the price of every and each thing, because I want to play!!! ;D ( = I want to write my playmophotostories!!! :love: )
**& More detailed explainations/justifications to it are not only unecessary as well as I refuse to do it :P This was written to Tim, not to you, Martin :lol:
Salve, P. Oliue Guge
A silver coin for a carrot is... well... OK. Welcome to illo mundo P. Olivei Gugei...
A British pound is descended from a silver piece. I'm hoping that poor Martin doesn't have to pay one pound for a carrot--and we're talking 21st century inflation rates.
You could alternatively consider collaborating with my four year old, who I'm confident could develop an economic model similar to the one you are presenting us with, and she would equally disdain criticism from the boorishly book-worn 30 and 40 years old who burden this forum.
While we're at it, how about we invent "Super-Duper Gold". It is equal to 10 shiny gold coins or 50 dull gold coins.
A suit of platemail costs 2 super-duper gold pieces
A suit of diamond mail cost 3 super-duper gold pieces
whereas a wizard's robes cost 5 silver
and ketchup-condiment-packets-like-you-get-from-McDonald's cost 1 silver, or 2 silver from The Cheesecake Factory (which as we all know is more expensive)
while we're at it--dare not to neglect The Economist magazine's Big Mac index. I'm guessing one silver piece in Gus's world is equal to about US$50, which would make carrots all but unaffordable to visiting Americans, at least not in quantities sufficient as a side-dish for teriyaki steak kebab. This would put the price of a Big Mac on Gus's Economy at about US $550, slightly higher than purchase-parity in Paris.
-T. Amicius Turx
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Salve, P. Oliue Guge
A silver coin for a carrot is... well... OK. Welcome to illo mundo P. Olivei Gugei...
A British pound is descended from a silver piece. I'm hoping that poor Martin doesn't have to pay one pound for a carrot--and we're talking 21st century inflation rates.
You could alternatively consider collaborating with my four year old, who I'm confident could develop an economic model similar to the one you are presenting us with, and she would equally disdain criticism from the boorishly book-worn 30 and 40 years old who burden this forum.
While we're at it, how about we invent "Super-Duper Gold". It is equal to 10 shiny gold coins or 50 dull gold coins.
A suit of platemail costs 2 super-duper gold pieces
A suit of diamond mail cost 3 super-duper gold pieces
whereas a wizard's robes cost 5 silver
and ketchup-condiment-packets-like-you-get-from-McDonald's cost 1 silver, or 2 silver from The Cheesecake Factory (which as we all know is more expensive)
while we're at it--dare not to neglect The Economist magazine's Big Mac index. I'm guessing one silver piece in Gus's world is equal to about US$50, which would make carrots all but unaffordable to visiting Americans, at least not in quantities sufficient as a side-dish for teriyaki steak kebab. This would put the price of a Big Mac on Gus's Economy at about US $550, slightly higher than purchase-parity in Paris.
-T. Amicius Turx
"while we're at it--dare not to neglect The Economist magazine's Big Mac index. I'm guessing one silver piece in Gus's world is equal to about US$50, which would make carrots all but unaffordable to visiting Americans, at least not in quantities sufficient as a side-dish for teriyaki steak kebab. This would put the price of a Big Mac on Gus's Economy at about US $550, slightly higher than purchase-parity in Paris."
I agree with you, Tim ... It's definitely not good to think about this comparison. Specially because of prices of playmobil in Brasil :hmm: :-\ :'( ...
But, ye know what?? It's playmobil money, mate! I think Martin's idea is great to those who want to be a little more realistic (using dull gold as copper and shiny as gold). At least until Playmobil makes copper coins for us ::) (Which erm ... Forget it!)
By the way, its first declension: Oliua (ae) Guga (ae). (& The "P." is second declension, from the common name.)
:wave:
Guga
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(Hm ... I think I should bring this thread back, to be together with the other one.)
I still need a better camera, and to make a few adjustments in light. Far from being professional :-[
It'll take a while longer than I thought, 'cause I left the job, and joined another business (in publishing ...), as I had said, somewhere else.
I can't wait to make enough money so as to go on with the plans: next one will be a 4444. After that one :9, I think I'll may invest in a new camera ...
But I did manage to get my so wanted Blue Goblin, which will appear, soon, I hope! (However, with a bad focus, still ...)
This last pirates' story was the sequence. This story has somethings to reach, that were meant from the beginning. Unlike the stories of Elmo and Fletcher, that didn't take the direction I'd like them to have (and now I have to correct some things (...)), this thread on pirates is going according to primary plan, in general. At least concerning the surprises ;D
I hope to be able to make the story reach its ... interesting parts, according to what I had thought from the beginning. I still have a couple of things in mind, that will be possible to make.
So, enjoy! :)
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Gus
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I just noticed! ...
In last part of the story (V), I changed the name f one character! ... Taroq had appeared before. Script wrote Donald calling him Yuyopac, which's the name of Roy's associate. (Roy and Yuyo are associates of Woodleg Jim, Aubrey Carpenter's enemy ...)
I intend to make some pics, with each character, so as to make it more visual ...
Gus
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So,
HERE WE GO! :)
Drammatis Personae
or Characters
In attachment
Joe Cartagena,
& Frenam the Spaniard.
It was said that Joe found the remainings of the Spanish sailor in a cave, back in days when that fellow worked in rum running with Old Billy Vinegar, known to have been murdered by cruel pirates!
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Aubrey Carpenter, a ... not so popular among the British navy young merchant captain, in the Caribbean islands,
& Gus Johnson, a boy from Bristol, who came to the American isles in search of Tom, his lost brother.
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Here are
Woodleg Jim Baker, reputed captain of the British Royal navy, who happened to stumble on his greed, and came to have his head in danger;
Parrot, Jim's guest ... Jim has a good heart, he can't endure pets starving, and this one was lost, somewhere, he caught it, and took it home.
And Italian Bart, a ... mysterious man, in these stories. Not much to tell about him for now.
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Dan Davies is a reneegate Red Coat, who decided to get rich in the isles. His Majesty didn't like much, and sent order to burn all ships that didn't hoist his colours on those waters. Now and again, however, Dan still offered His Majesty his services, against the French and the Dutch.
Black Phil, as called, was Dan Davies associate. They say he had a crush on miss Key ...
&
Tareja Keychain, another of Davies' loyal mercenaries. Dan gave miss Key a red garment, so as to have his troops wear proper uniform.
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These are
Manolo Yuyopac, a local, one of the men Jim Baker hired, when in need of service,
&
Roy, W. Jim's friend, and ally, who was as well a mate to Yuyopac, with whom he usually worked together, for equal share of spoils.
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This is Doll.
Her story will yet be told, so I'll hold my tongue here.
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(One thing we do know, already, is that Doll is friends with Cartagena ...)
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And we come to an end of this first part of the Drammatis Personae with
Powderbarrel Donald, an old sailor, and previous associate of Billy Vinegar, though most people don't know this ...
And mr. Taroq Danga, from distant Sahara, who happened to come by these beautiful blue Caribbean spots.
This concludes this first part of the Stories Characters.~
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A FEW NEW CHARACTERS
& their role, in these stories
These are Dan Davies men.
At his right side (picture #3), Little Sir Elmo, crew's mascot, and personal advisor of Davies', and the red coats, Black Phil and Tareja Key, already introduced ...
At his left (picture #2), Jack, his first mate, and the buttler, Italian Bart.
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Now, this is Ben Scoundrel, a .. merchant. With his blue parrot, the Blue Parrot!
Ben and already known Donald Powderbarrel used to walk along well together ...
What you didn't know yet was Powderbarrel to be the elder brother of Jack.
(pictures in order)
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You didn't know either that Jack, once, crossed blades with a certain Doll Johnson ...
Doll Johnson you do know.
Jack and Doll became friends, by then.
(see respective pictures)
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We are supposed to say that Jack had a crush on Miss Johnson ... But then, there's nothing new 'bout it, 'cause
a lot o' guys seem to have lost their heart for that gal ...
(pictures attached)
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I have a few stories to shoot :-[
Their scripts are in my mind, all I need do is to get myself to actually do it.
I hope I manage to, in a time not so far from today :(
Anyway, at least you are updated with the characters ... :hmm:
Gus
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Here's a link for the stories,
in case they're too far from your mind
and
to those who never read them ...
;)
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2293.0