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Offline Bill Blackhurst

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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 22:45:38 »
I definitely agree Gordon! LEGO seems to be able to wait then capitalize on others ideas!
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 07:17:58 »
Lego are doing a medieval marketplace set at present for their Castle theme, so hopefully Playmobil will be quick to realise there's still a demand for non-combatant figures and buildings!

We may be losing the Ghost Pirates, but we're gaining Dragon World, so Fantasy is still present in the Playmo themes. I'm not dead set against Fantsay, but I do think they show Playmobil chasing a market rather than innovating, which is a shame for a company with such a great history.
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 10:55:04 »
What I've noticed is that Lego are producing sets, for example, similar to Playmobil's construction sets only a short time after PM.
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 17:00:04 »
Quote from: Martin Milner on December 08, 2009, 07:17:58
Lego are doing a medieval marketplace set at present for their Castle theme, so hopefully Playmobil will be quick to realise there's still a demand for non-combatant figures and buildings!

We may be losing the Ghost Pirates, but we're gaining Dragon World, so Fantasy is still present in the Playmo themes. I'm not dead set against Fantsay, but I do think they show Playmobil chasing a market rather than innovating, which is a shame for a company with such a great history.

I really think Geobra is too staid to successfully innovate, with Hans Beck gone Playmobil is a cash cow and I doubt that the designers or owner wish to rock the cash flow when they can follow current trends with reduced risk.



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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 19:19:48 »
Quote from: Gepetto on December 08, 2009, 17:00:04
I really think Geobra is too staid to successfully innovate, with Hans Beck gone Playmobil is a cash cow
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and with Mr Beck and his ethical rules gone i really hope i dont see Playmobil turning into a GI Joe Toy line with tanks , grenades and angry , hostile and violent faces . The new Fantasy Line with the dragon sets in my opinion has VIOLENCE in a way that was not portrayed before in the PM series. The faces especially of klickies with red like blood lines on face , angry hostile faces, the maces and much more destructive weapons that are far more destructive the very angry dragons and their posture are VIOLENT. I am personnally very opposed to such a theme and design , I hope this doesnt catch up and PM keeps Hans ethical  guidelines .I am ok with wester weapons some police weapons and ok with some 'politically wrong' sets such as the chained bear and the axeman executioner  which i think were silly but didnt  do much harm but the new fantasy line is way too violent for Playmobil standards .

I also like to refer to the new 4845 ,4846 series . Just take a look at the klickies . they are more action figures packed with dynamite and weapons than anything else. So i am afraid its heading towards a GI Joe line... . Very wrong , considering the following ...

Beck's motto, "no horror, no superficial violence, no short-lived trends", paved the way for one of the great success stories of the toy business. Over 35 years, 2.2 billion Klickies .....
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 04:48:46 »
I agree with much of what has been posted in this thread.  Although I don't have much Steck and I don't hate System X, I definitely see where Steck is preferable overall.  I also don't like the fantasy direction in which Playmobil is headed, but hopefully we'll see a renaissance of the Knight's and Western themes.
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2009, 19:27:16 »
Quote from: Justindo on December 09, 2009, 04:48:46
I agree with much of what has been posted in this thread.  Although I don't have much Steck and I don't hate System X, I definitely see where Steck is preferable overall.  I also don't like the fantasy direction in which Playmobil is headed, but hopefully we'll see a renaissance of the Knight's and Western themes.

The Western is another big story . Back in 1977 there were 11 different western town houses plus the indian set plus the fort which is easily expandable ( these old western sets go very well with romans and vikings by the way... just see an Asterix comic , its like a carbon copy from it !!!! )

 I am afraid we wont ever see such a collection again ..... People arent very keen on westerns anymore and that short of thing, mid 90s wasm the peak with   the amazing mine , the saloon and the north and confederate armies ( though they had the wrong weapons at start , a silly decision partially solved via the confederate special klickies much later  which had the proper rifles with bayonnaites..)  What a great line that was !! And the indian sets were amazing... !!!!!Much better than today's airport and zoo sets etc etc etc . But's that just me opinion ... :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2009, 04:53:40 »
Quote from: Giorginetto on December 10, 2009, 19:27:16
The Western is another big story . Back in 1977 there were 11 different western town houses plus the indian set plus the fort which is easily expandable ( these old western sets go very well with romans and vikings by the way... just see an Asterix comic , its like a carbon copy from it !!!! )

 I am afraid we wont ever see such a collection again ..... People arent very keen on westerns anymore and that short of thing, mid 90s wasm the peak with   the amazing mine , the saloon and the north and confederate armies ( though they had the wrong weapons at start , a silly decision partially solved via the confederate special klickies much later  which had the proper rifles with bayonnaites..)  What a great line that was !! And the indian sets were amazing... !!!!!Much better than today's airport and zoo sets etc etc etc . But's that just me opinion ... :wave: :wave: :wave:

I collected the Western theme as a child and had Fort Bravo and an Indian tepee but, unfortunately, none of the buildings.  I'd love to have the newer saloon and sheriff's office and the older bank, blacksmith, hotel, drugstore, farm house, horse barn, church, ranch, and train station, but ebay prices for these are exorbitant.  I have, however, acquired from ebay many extra fort parts and, as you mention, they work well not only for the Western theme but also as forts for the Romans, Vikings, and "barbarians".

Yes, unfortunately, Westerns have been out of favor for quite some time.  The reason I mention its return is because there are rumors of an "Old El Paso Western Theme" for 2011.  If this is the case, it would make many Western fans, like you and me, quite happy!
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2009, 14:40:16 »
Quote from: Giorginetto on December 10, 2009, 19:27:16
What a great line that was !! And the indian sets were amazing... !!!!!Much better than today's airport and zoo sets etc etc etc . But's that just me opinion ... :wave: :wave: :wave:

Although I don't collect the cowboys & Indians/western theme, or any other theme that is historically relevent, I don't consider them inferior to the modern sets that I enjoy! I personally enjoy what Playmobil has done to promote the modern airport, zoo, veterinarian, harbor/cargo, firefighting, hospital, construction, supermarket, rescue, city business, police themes, etc., etc., etc.,! Even though I don't collect the older history themed sets, I'm still impressed with their design & detail & support their existence, but don't belittle them as being inferior to modern items! The only theme that I don't see a reason for is the ghost pirates, winged magic dragon knights, and what's up with the newest adventure series with hook launchers  :no:. They don't follow a historical reasoning what so ever, but look to be mimicking a trend of popular movie creations. Hans philosophy is gradually being swept under the rug as time progresses, & I'm afraid eventually PM will look exactly like Lego with no moral belief restrictions, but that's just my opinion  ;)!
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Re: Too many dragons ...????
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2009, 16:34:20 »
Hello  :elf:

   I would consider the modern theme to be a great representation of the real world at hand. All the modern themes have done a great job at what they are mimicking. This was not about what is wrong with anything other than the knights taking on a new direction. With the loss of the "Good Guy" castle and the earlier discontinuation of the "Bad Guy" castle it leaves Playmobil with very little in the historical knights theme. As soon as I saw the large knights castle on the chopping block I had to wonder if we were going to have to get used to Playmobil taking a "Fantasy" direction. There have been many popular movies about this subject and as stated many times, Playmobil seems to take notice of these short lived trends. Even the traditional girls themes are taking the "Fantasy" approach to their sets. Now with the loss of the traditional "doll house" it only leaves the fairy sets as a pink theme. Also the new adventure theme that is so similar to "Indiana Jones" has the over sized creatures and a "fantasy" style to them. I think this new dragon knights theme is a short lived replacement and will soon fade only to be replaced with a all new historically accurate knights theme full of peasants houses, women & children. Thats just my opinion and dream  :xmascheer:

   One other thing I wondered about when this new direction took place is- If this is what happened to the designs when Hans left what could happen when Mr. All Mighty leaves? He is no spring chicken and it is all under his control. Who are Geobras heirs? do they care about Playmobil? Will it just be somebody's cash cow? Oh I need to go back to auction sites and find more of the classics   8}

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