Gus, if it is a relatively new klicky, I succeeded to dp the spanish way even with the vest on. Actually, I think Tim is doing it in a combination with pincers...
...and the "spanish pincers" will definitely get you the klicky dissembled. 
(in other words, do it spanish but pull the head up with a little additional force at the same time.)
best,
socrates
P.S.: Sometimes turning the head from side to side is already making the difference.
Thanks for the concern, Socrates!
You see ... I HAD to try
But I'm definitely FOR the Spanish ... I hadn't thought about trying it even with the necklace, but I will, now that you're saying it works.
With this one, however, I had to make it work, and I wasn't much worried about inflicting damage to the klicky (not the one above, but the one with which I made it, another one) ... But it happened that I almost inflicted it to my hand
It wasn't bad, though, I'm fine already.
Next one, I'll try the Spanish in fat klicky with necklace ... Never tried. But the Spanish is much more interesting, no doubt: it works like magic!
It's impressive!!!
& thx
Gus
[
Ps. With the klicky above, however, I tried the Spanish, but the coat won't let it work out. My solution was to take out the coat, turning the arms back, and forcing it backwards. It goes fine. And, once you have a klicky without a collar, it's Spanish ... I'm astounded that the Spanish method works out with some necklaces, but I doubt even Tim can do it with this coat ... Well, I tried (hard!), but could not. / G.]
