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General => Trains! => Topic started by: playmofire on May 22, 2011, 11:13:58

Title: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 22, 2011, 11:13:58
I'm afraid that trains are taking over!  Here is a custom mineral load for the truck which comes with the 4010 train set:

http://www.playmodb.org/setpics/4010.jpg

(Picture from playmoDB)

The load is item 7843 from the DS catalogue:

http://www.playmobil.co.uk/on/demandware.store/Sites-GB-Site/en_GB/Product-Show?pid=7843&cgid=Ds_Eisenbahn

It's not ideal for using in a custom load as the pieces tend to be concave which reduces the area for putting glue on, but overall it's usable.

I thought for some time as to what to use for a base and finally came up with the idea of a polystyrene block.  This has the disadvantage of flaking badly when it's cut however, making the place look as if it's just snowed!.  I decided to see what happened if I first coated it with PVA adhesive which I used without diluting with water.

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/PVApreparation.jpg)

I coated top and bottom, the sides and the ends and then cut it with this knife which is designed for cutting frozen food:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/KitchenDevil.jpg)

I used the smoother (lower) side of the blade and sliced rather than sawed away at the polystyrene.  Although some bits flaked off, they were very few.

I coated the cut edges with PVA glue and then painted the top surface with Humbrol grey 32 once the PVA was dry:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Paintcoat.jpg)

To stick the load to the polystyrene, I put the cut polystyrene block in the truck, pushing it down so that the top was just below the top of the truck side.  (If you gently push it down, it stops when it comes up against the ends of the outer handles which stick out inside the truck.  (I'll post a photo of the inside of the truck later.)  Then I coated it with PVA glue and scattered the load over it.  This is where the size and hollow shape of the pieces can cause problems, but with care I found that most of the surface was covered.

(I'll have to stop here as it's time for lunch and then we're going out to the local miniature railway's 80th anniversary.)
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 22, 2011, 12:46:44
Looking good so far Gordon! Can't wait to see how it looks completed!
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: bonniebeth on May 22, 2011, 12:55:59
Yes, can't wait to see the finished product! You've left us in suspense. ;)
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 22, 2011, 14:24:30
This is most interesting Gordon! Cant wait for the result!!!
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 22, 2011, 15:51:09
Suspense ended, folks!  You may breathe again.   :)

Here's a picture of the inside of the truck showing how the outer handles (there are two per side) project through into the truck.  The polystyrene just needs to be pushing down so it is just below the top of the truck side and the higher point where the handle comes through the side will then be a few millimetres into the polystyrene.  You need to have the polystyrene below the top when glueing on the load otherwise bits of the load may project beyond the inside of the truck.

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Interior.jpg)

Once the PVA glue was dry, I took the load out of the truck (you need to open the side doors to do this) and turned it up upside down and shook off any loose pieces of the load.  I then lightly ran my hand over it to dislodge any pieces not properly stuck on.  Inevitably, there were some gaps to fill and I did this by sticking in individual pieces using thick superglue.

The final step was to make the load sit lower in the truck and I did this by enlarging the depressions in the sides of the polystyrene where the projections from the handles inside the truck had stuck into it.  This picture shows the enlarged depressions:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Adjustment.jpg)

So this is how the finished load looked:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Finishedload.jpg)

And in close-up:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Closeup.jpg)

And behind the loco:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/playmofire/Playmobil/Playmobil%20trains/Mineral%20load%20custom/Withtheloco.jpg)

Thanks for your interest and I'll post photos of the mineral train when I've made the loads for the other two trucks.  I hope the process doesn't sound too complicated in its later stages - it's just harder to explain than to do.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 22, 2011, 15:53:25
 :clap: brilliant!!! it looks so good!
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 22, 2011, 15:56:47
:clap: brilliant!!! it looks so good!

Thanks, Panos.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Luis on May 22, 2011, 16:05:04
this is very Clever, Gordon. Thank you for sharing :clap: :wave:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Rasputin on May 22, 2011, 16:14:20
Wow that is a lot easier, cheaper and lighter than filling the whole thing up with the coal. I actually looked into buying 50 pound sacks of recycled tires that are ground fine for landscaping. The only problem is that tires have felt strands in them that show up when ground up.

Great idea Gordon
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 22, 2011, 16:26:26
Thank you, Luis and Ras.   I, too, thought of buying enough of the Playmobil stuff, but the weight of three full trucks would have been appreciable, plus it would have been a lot to clear up if there were a derailment.   :o
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Giorginetto on May 22, 2011, 16:34:16
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Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: bonniebeth on May 22, 2011, 17:11:42
This looks really great, Gordon! Well done! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: skypurr on May 22, 2011, 20:12:28
Well done Gordon, that looks very realistic.   :clap: :wow: :clap:

Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 22, 2011, 20:13:49
Very realistic idea Gordon! The finished project gets 2 thumbs up! :)9 Well done!
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 23, 2011, 08:03:08
Thank you all!    :wave:  I hope to get the other two loads done soon, but have to buy some more from DS first.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Gis on May 31, 2011, 12:30:54
Great work Gordon. Simple idea and great execution.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on May 31, 2011, 13:00:53
Great work Gordon. Simple idea and great execution.

Thank you, Gis.   :wave:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Skywalker on June 01, 2011, 17:48:01
Amazing. Looks fantastic ! Thx for sharing !
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Customizer on June 01, 2011, 19:32:44
TOP !!!  :)9

greetings

Andi
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: 2005huysmans on June 01, 2011, 19:36:49
yes very good idea  :clap:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on June 01, 2011, 20:12:35
Thank you Skywalker, Andi and manu.  :wave:

The next step is making the loads for the other two, which I hope to start soon.  (Well, some work has already been done because I painted enough polystyrene with PVA glue for two and maybe even three loads.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Indianna on June 02, 2011, 13:28:52
I'm afraid that trains are taking over! 

That sounds like a good thing! 

Thanks for the photos, Gordon - they make a great step-by-step guide.  I had purchased several bags of Playmo "coal" but quickly realized that I still didn't have enough to do the job, but your idea solves the problem beautifully.   :)

Your use of styrofoam also suggests the possibility of cutting some larger random pieces of foam and painting them to look like boulders, either for hauling or for landscapes - I bet some folks have already tried this - anyone???
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on June 02, 2011, 16:29:25
Thanks, Indianna, and I'm glad my idea is helpful to you.

The idea of styrofoam boulders sounds interesting and I look forward to seeing what develops.   :wave:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: Skywalker on June 02, 2011, 17:46:20
styrofoam is great for a lot of modeling jobs. i use it very often for landscapes etc. it´s cheap , light and very good to work with. i use a proxxon thermocutter to cut the styrofoam. it´s a great tool and doesn´t cost a fortune. you can work very precise with it and can shape different forms very easy and in seconds.

http://www.proxxon.com/eng/html/27082.php (http://www.proxxon.com/eng/html/27082.php)

ps : when working with a hot cutter there is also zero flaking.
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on June 02, 2011, 21:24:38
I've heard of these but never bought one as I don't do a lot of stuff with styrofoam (in fact, it was only the fact that I had some used as packing in an eBay buy that I used it this time) but that's a useful link, so thank you Skywalker.  :wave:
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofirth on June 27, 2011, 18:44:31
I was going to mention the use of a hot wire to cut polystyrene.  I have heard that a current run through a length of fuse wire will do the job.  Haven't tried it so cannot say.

I think Gordon's method would also work well for (road) trucks such as 3141 and 3265.  Well done Gordon!

Mark
Title: Re: Custom mineral load
Post by: playmofire on June 27, 2011, 19:18:18
Thank you, Mark.

A hot wire does cut through cleanly, but the heat can also cause the polystyrene to give off dangerous fumes.