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Creative => Customs Gallery => Topic started by: savvas on May 21, 2011, 12:27:02
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Hi everyone.
I saw last night the new pirates of caribbean. i am trying to build a caribbean theme of early 18th century. i want some information and suggestions. i noticed in the movie that spanish officers were in blue dark and soldiers in green. i want to now if that is right because a research in internet shows different results about soldiers. blue! i have seen the tv movies horatio hornblower, an english series, and they were wearing lbue-red. naturally the horatio tale is set a 100 years later. please if anyone knows something about it, post it here. thank you
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Your project sounds very similar to the one I'm working on, though I'm flexing history a bit by including custom-figures from late 17th century till late 18th century ;D
Early 18th century English (land)soldiers already wore red uniforms I think, French soldiers probably had white uniforms (the blue ones came with the French Revolution in 1789), but I'm not sure about Spanish soldiers... might be blue, might be green, yellow perhaps ??? Certainly not pink though ;D
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i am trying to create anything as real as it was at that time. the french should be this way
http://img268.imageshack.us/i/piratefrenchship.jpg/
and the english:
http://img715.imageshack.us/i/pirate7d.jpg/
i am still searching for dutch and spanish. till now should be: dutch (grey-blue), spanish (blue).
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Early 18th century English (land)soldiers already wore red uniforms I think, French soldiers probably had white uniforms (the blue ones came with the French Revolution in 1789), but I'm not sure about Spanish soldiers... might be blue, might be green, yellow perhaps ??? Certainly not pink though ;D
You are right with white of the French soldiers. I have attached two pics of typical French soldiers around the French-Indian Wars. But about Spain, all I have discovered yet is that they were white, too. Similar to the next pic showing Spanish soldiers. I'm not certainly sure if this is true for colonial troops but for European Spanish regiments it holds. So let's come to a major difficulty for all these questions. The French were white, yes, but also blue and sometimes even red. The next pic for example shows two typical British "Redcoats" but the other soldier on that pic is very typical for British Caribean troops, too (I think it was Militia of St. Domingo district, but I have to check my references first). If you take all the trading companies into account (e.g. the british West-Idia-Company) then it really becomes hard! The British armed forces of the West India Company often were blue. Or have a look at the British naval forces, the typical British naval "Redcoat" is blue, too! (pics are limited so no more examples!)
i am still searching for dutch and spanish. till now should be: dutch (grey-blue), spanish (blue).
Dutch forces are a good example, there were so many different colorations and stylest hat you nearly can do whatever you want to do.
Please correct me in any point for which you have better information!
But what I have not discovered yet is how portugueses personal looked like!
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I like your French pre-Revolution soldiers, Sir Pleaymo! And their flag! :love:
I've also used the Northsea Captain's torso for mine, but gave them lightbrown/ultradarkyellow trousers to have a bit of colour difference beween torso and legs:
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To differ from the French soldiers, I equipped my Spanish ones like this...
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Some magnificent creations, everyone! Distinct enough to know there's a true difference! Well done! :clap:
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beautiful customs everyone! :love: :clap: :love:
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love them all! But Hadoque's last proposition suits me best! Now I just need to go look for the hats...
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Jealous of all your regiments, men. I only have 18th century british redcoats and slightly customized post-1789 french bluecoats, and three spanish conquistadors (from the lighthouse) which appear to be from earlier 16th or 17th century.
I did find a picture of 18th century SPANISH officer's uniform taken at the Royal British Columbia Museum. It shows a Dark Blue top with red lapels. It looks very similar to the Playmobil bluecoats often used as french. However, the main difference is they have a white "scarf" frilly thing (sorry for my lack of technical term) around the neck, and frilly poet's shirt style sleeves that protrude from the cuffs, with red inner waistcoat. Also, the Spanish coat covers the torso more fully, whereas French and British coats begin to part at the sternum and flare outward, exposing the inner waistcoats worn underneath. The Spanish coats cover more fully.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/770693_f63a49bca0.jpg)
a bit different than the movie:
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110411225309/pirates/images/7/71/Spaniard_HQ.jpg)
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This might be of some help:
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Pirate--The-Golden-Age_9781849084970 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Pirate--The-Golden-Age_9781849084970)
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Spanish-Colonial-Fortifications-in-North-America-1565–1822_9781846035074 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Spanish-Colonial-Fortifications-in-North-America-1565–1822_9781846035074)
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/The-Spanish-Main-1492–1800_9781846030055 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/The-Spanish-Main-1492–1800_9781846030055)
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Pirates-1660–1730_9781855327061 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Pirates-1660–1730_9781855327061)
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Buccaneers-1620–1700_9781855329126 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Buccaneers-1620–1700_9781855329126)
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Privateers-and-Pirates-1730–1830_9781841760162 (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Privateers-and-Pirates-1730–1830_9781841760162)
Nothing specifically on Spanish uniforms, per se, but Osprey books usually include colour plates of uniforms of opposing forces. Worth checking for these at the library or your local book store before spending money on buying something that might not have what you need.
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Hello, maybe this help you...
1- Infante de marina (Marine)
2- Artillero (Gunner)
3- Infante de marina de servicio costero (Marine in coastal service)
Search in Google images this words : "uniforme marina española XVIII", good luck
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Hello, maybe this help you...
1- Infante de marina (Marine)
2- Artillero (Gunner)
3- Infante de marina de servicio costero (Marine in coastal service)
Search in Google images this words : "uniforme marina española XVIII", good luck
Thanks a lot, but I will stay with my white uniforms, 'cos they are true for the "Viceroyalty of New Spain" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Spain) and therefore for the caribean Islands.
all pics are taken from:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=408128
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Ah! ok .thats are Army uniforms. I think that you need Ship's crew or Marines uniforms
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I love the total war forums,
If you want pictures of uniforms... that is where you go! ;D
Completely forgot about that... :doh:
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Nice customs, all!
Choosing uniform colors for countries in the 18th century is a difficult task, as they weren't exactly standardized. One is pretty safe with red for the British and white/light grey is a good choice for France, prior to Napoleon, although certain regiments wore blue. For Spain, white/light grey and were common, although blue and I think red existed too. The problem is that different regiments had different colors so a nation's uniform wasn't standardized like it was from the mid 19th century on.