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General => News => Topic started by: cachalote on September 27, 2010, 23:03:42
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actually this is only wishful thinking but i have been noticing a certain "proximity" 0) between lego and playmobil in their designs.
one could even speak of "copy" :hmm: without being totally unfair.
and the truth is that - when you look at the release dates :o - it seems to work both ways.
so, if lego has an imperial flagship - http://shop.lego.com/Product/AssetPopup.aspx?p=10210&AssetType=49&s_button=moreViews :love: - playmobil should worry and get one out. :yup:
a.s.a.p. please. :thanks:
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... and yes, we want it filled with sailors and marines.
... and with a proper captain's room.
... and with a proper gundeck, filled with cannons (at least one for each gun port).
... and with a kitchen (it doesn't have to be too big).
as said before, a.s.a.p..
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That...is...flippin'...SAWEET!
A Playmobil version would be great, and I'm not really a Lego guy, but I might very well have to get that. :love:
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... and if you have any doubts about this "joint-venture" design beween the 2 companies, the following 2 images are worth more than 1000 words. :hmm:
... but i hope, no matter how sinister i might sound, that playmobil will totally couldn't-care-less-ly damn the danish copy lego on this one. ;)
i swear i'll even cry "shame on lego" for copying this developed-so-many-years-ago-everyone-knew item. 0)
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Damn Cachalote, you got me there with your thread-title! :hissyfit: ;)
For a few secs I thought you would have just-released info about such a Playmo-ship!
Though I'm not into Lego anymore since I was a small boy, I have to say this Lego ship is quite nice.
I hope too Playmobil would release a Navy ship - with a true gundeck like the 3940 (US 3286) - and preferably a trimaster, like this Lego one. Though I think a trimaster (enlengthed 3940 ?) isn't very likely, because of Playmobil's scale. So a trimaster become rather BIG and would cost much more then the 'big ships' that have sofar been released (3750 & co, 3940, 4290), and with the economical atmosphere these days.... ::)
Though I have to add, with the renewal of the Knight's theme (again) this year, I'm hoping the same will happen (again) with the Pirate's theme next year or so and they'll get rid off the 4290-ship and come back with the 3940 in one form or another.
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OMG!!!!!! :omg: :omg: :omg:
I wants! :o :o :o
Gives us it Playmobil! :love:
Me too, I though you was talking about a Playmobil ship,
And I was physic-ing out! ;D ;D ;D
But still, if this Lego / Playmobil trend thing does really exist...
I think there is still cause for celebration!!! :toot:
I will create a different thread with considerations for Playmobil to put in a new Ship...
If anyone would like to join with me in begging! :lol:
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It seems a bit over the top - an organ in the captain's cabin! And inaccurate - the marines manning the cannon!
More seriously, I have also noticed the "following each other" trend and suspect that, especially in the modern themes, it is Lego who follow Playmobil, by and large. I wonder if there is computer software that allows you to take a Playmobil item, scan it and then recreate it on-screen as if it were made of Lego, complete with an inventory of type and quantity of bricks? If there is, then Lego have enormous scope to compete with Playmobil.
Recently with some of the new modern sets I've been tempted to buy some Lego, but I've always decided not to as it seems a lot of expense to go to in order to buy something which I then have to build up to end with something which I see as not as good as Playmobil.
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Wow! Lego has created a proper warship here! Three masts, eight guns on a gun deck, a spacious captain's quarters with an organ, and a kitchen! I hope Playmobil is taking note here! While I like 3940 very much, I'd love one twice the length with an extra mast and four more guns.
I used to love Lego as a child (Castle and Pirate mostly but I also had some Town and Space sets), but my mother threw them all away, along with my Knight and Pirate Playmobil. :'( >:( While I told myself I would not start collecting Lego again, I may have to make an exception with this incredible ship! :-[
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hello everyone!
I was collecting Lego before Playmobil too but that was before their newer napoleonic figures came out...here's my imperial warship and some others which have not been kept/given away :)
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Dude, don’t tease. That’s just mean. :(
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hello everyone!
I was collecting Lego before Playmobil too but that was before their newer napoleonic figures came out...here's my imperial warship and some others which have not been kept/given away :)
Nice display~~~
One thing about Lego that I love is their size, so small and can fit in the cases really well. I used to build a lot of lego, and lost interest to both Lego and Playmobil in my teen. Playmobil has been doing fine with keeping up their quality (except the defective kids' eyes), and the plastic of Lego is getting weaker and weaker.
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That's a nice Lego collection, Cheng. I had some of those too. I like the older, simpler Lego figures like yours better.
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That was a great tease!! I go to bed and wake up to find this thread with 11 replies already...so I was thinking...damn...I'll be late for work!!! I share your sentiment cachalote!!! Give us a big flagship please!!!!
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maybe a new thread is not needed warrioroftoys.
i bet we all want the same things:
- a nice color scheme (black and white would be my favourite but lord nelson's victory yellow and black could also be nice - http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=111);
- as big as possible (and we accept to pay a huge ammont of money in exchange);
- as filled with extras as possible (guns, food, small boats, etc.);
- as filled with sailors as possible (looking just like the ones in 3740) and officers and a few marines;
- with real string rigging using plastic only for the shrouds (just like the 3550/3750);
- as deprived of "stupid-fischer-price-ian" as possible (no strange guns that become part of the deck, etc.).
... and, as i have no doubt playmobil has this ship already in production, all these things - apart from the size (3940? 4290?) - are still easily feasible.
a.s.a.p. please. 0)
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My only fear is that if we get anything even resembling a ship of the line, it will be prohibitively expensive. Given that things like the 4404 Hospital sell for around $165, I'd place that as the upper limit for a large offering.
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... and, as i have no doubt playmobil has this ship already in production, all these things - apart from the size (3940? 4290?) - are still easily feasible.
a.s.a.p. please. 0)
I’m not holding my breath. >:(My only fear is that if we get anything even resembling a ship of the line, it will be prohibitively expensive. Given that things like the 4404 Hospital sell for around $165, I'd place that as the upper limit for a large offering.
That would be a VERY small price to pay for a set like this, but perhaps they should consider pre-orders…
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I’m not holding my breath. >:(That would be a VERY small price to pay for a set like this
I agree, but that seems to be near the upper price range for Playmobil offerings. I can't see them releasing a $200+ set...the potential market would be tiny.
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the lego 2 masts pirate ship costs 80 euros. :hmm:
the 3 masts imperial flagship costs 150 euros. :hmm:
the "big" playmobil 4290 costs 80/90 euros. ::)
maybe 120 euros would be a good markrting price for the new big flagship (i am sure playmobil is planning to show it at the end of 2011 / begining of 2012) ;) :)
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the lego 2 masts pirate ship costs 80 euros. :hmm:
the 3 masts imperial flagship costs 150 euros. :hmm:
the "big" playmobil 4290 costs 80/90 euros. ::)
maybe 120 euros would be a good markrting price for the new big flagship (i am sure playmobil is planning to show it at the end of 2011 / begining of 2012) ;) :)
For a three mast ship with additional rows of cannons,
And maybe more room head-space...
120 euros sounds great! ;D (Id buy it)
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My only fear is that if we get anything even resembling a ship of the line, it will be prohibitively expensive. Given that things like the 4404 Hospital sell for around $165, I'd place that as the upper limit for a large offering.
why not? the castles cost this much and are of super large scale. if it costs more then so be it! As long as they make it. as it is, it would cost as much if not more to make a custom out of 2 or more 3286 ships. no matter what, if you want a ship of the line its gonna have to be bigger, and therefore more costly. i want it!
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That's an interesting collection, cheng. I like the look of the soldier figures - they have a nice childlike quality with them, an innocent air.
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To save costs (new moulds), they could use the previous flagship 3940 (US 3286) as a basis, end make it longer. I assume it must be doable to change the existing moulds to make that ship longer?
Then, like the Unicorn (Licorne), you could have a ship with 6 canon-hatches below deck on each side, and 3 masts. It shouldn't necessarily have a large crew or 12 canons included in my opinion, to keep the price down. Additional crew, canons, and accessories could be purchased seperately.
The 3940 (US 3286) and 4290 were/are sold at the stores here (Belgium) for 90 à 100 Euros. The enlarged ship could then perhaps be sold for something around 140-150 euros, in the class of the big Knight's castle?
It would save a lot of fans much time & effort of reproducing a ship like the size of the Unicorn, ask Macgayver how many hours he spent making that ship.
If there's not enough market potential for such a big one (I can imagine only collectors who like ships would be interested and not the average parent buying a toyship for his/her kid), then perhaps a limited edition could be made available through the Collector's Club?
Again, using the 3940 as basis could save design/production costs...
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I have a pragmatic concern; Stability. Many people have commented that the ships have a tendency to capsize (and some do). I roughly guest mated that using the same hull shape but ½” (12.7 mm) wider, they would be much more stable in the water.
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hmmm
what you thing about the DOLPHIN from Macgayver ??
(http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/fotos%202006.02.18/macgayverplaymobil%20100_1060.jpg)
Ok the mould is very expesive but if playmobil make a ship not only with one mould, use some moulds for the hulk and not afloat only to play and open at the half ??
world greets
Andi
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If Lego can sell their Imperial Flagship for $180 and Playmobil can sell their Knight's Empire Castle for $185, I see no reason why Playmobil couldn't sell a three-masted man-o-war with room for a number of guns for around $200. While the average parent certainly wouldn't purchase such a set, I can see a lot of collectors buying it via the collector's club perhaps. It may not be a huge seller in the grand scheme of things, but I can't believe it would sell any worse than Playmobil's $165 hospital.
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hmmm
what you thing about the DOLPHIN from Macgayver ??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/ghettocar/icon_smile_jawdrop.gif)
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(The lego one should bring a stool for the captain to sit when he plays ... Will have to be improved ::) :P )
:wave:
Gus
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(at least this is not a topic where steck vs sytem-x can take over) ;)
0) i have almost every pirate ship playmobil ever produced (i am still missing the 5775 and the 5869 us schooners) and i believe i can make a fair review on the way "they" are going.
:'( over the years, starting from the fabulous 3550 they have been loosing crew members, guns, "real" string rigging, food, accessories and - that's what i regret the most - a good equilibium in their designs.
if the 3750 or the 3940 (both from hans beck era) have a remarkable "natural" feel - despite being too little to match the scale of their crews - the same can't be said about the 4290 - too childish, too much fischer-price-ish in its appearance.
the schooners, on the other end, have moved to this un-natural look very quickly - torn sails, absurd printing - and have now stabilized in a dead-end design (the only addition seems to be the small and "stupid" skulls adorning the 5869).
:-\ all this to say that maybe a very big napoleonic 3 masted ship is a bit too far-fetched.
:love: macgayver beautiful dolphin is an incredible ship but maybe to expect playmobil to produce one that size is aiming a little bit too high - and maybe the final result would also loose that strange balance of scale.
:hmm: ... and all this to say that maybe we could all aim at a 3940 size and then move over to another "battle" afterwards.
it is easier for lego to add length to their ships - they just have to add more "bricks" - but a new bigger mould (even if it can come from the 3940) will be very expensive.
a 3940 "dressed" in royal navy colours would be so much easier to produce.
... and so much easier to sell - unlike lego playmobil seems to have a very "neanderthal" approach to their marketing strategies.
a 200 euros ship could be sellable but geobra would have to know how to sell it (and i have a feeling that they have no idea on how to do it) :hmm:.
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I have a pragmatic concern; Stability. Many people have commented that the ships have a tendency to capsize (and some do). I roughly guest mated that using the same hull shape but ½” (12.7 mm) wider, they would be much more stable in the water.
Actually, simply extending the ship (not deepening the hull nor extending the mast heights), IMO, will help improve its stability as far as roll is concerned, assuming it comes with additional ballast for the extended length of the hull.
Because there will be more boat to take on extra weight, it will have a greater capacity to hold a larger skeloton crew and compliment than a single 3286.
I make these hypothesis based on hours of experimentation and observation of my own 3286 in the water, playing with different ballasts, ballast placement, different crew/cargo compliments/height/location on ship, and even a temporary deepened hull.
Even customizing an extended hull length using 2 3286 ships, assuming the ballast from both ships were still connected to each respective hull once combined, I believe would prove for a stable ship.
So in other words, if Playmobil did use the 3286 mould to make a longer ship ala the Unicorn, I do believe it would be at LEAST as stable as any of their current ships, if not moreso.
It's definitely feasible to make a longer ship that is also stable.
I'd love to hear if the Unicorn can float, but I doubt there is a way she can be tested with stock-masts. Extending the masts higher as in the Unicorn may likely cause it to be unstable, however, as Andy suggests.
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(at least this is not a topic where steck vs sytem-x can take over) ;)
0) i have almost every pirate ship playmobil ever produced (i am still missing the 5775 and the 5869 us schooners) and i believe i can make a fair review on the way "they" are going.
:'( over the years, starting from the fabulous 3550 they have been loosing crew members, guns, "real" string rigging, food, accessories and - that's what i regret the most - a good equilibium in their designs.
if the 3750 or the 3940 (both from hans beck era) have a remarkable "natural" feel - despite being too little to match the scale of their crews - the same can't be said about the 4290 - too childish, too much fischer-price-ish in its appearance.
the schooners, on the other end, have moved to this un-natural look very quickly - torn sails, absurd printing - and have now stabilized in a dead-end design (the only addition seems to be the small and "stupid" skulls adorning the 5869).
:-\ all this to say that maybe a very big napoleonic 3 masted ship is a bit too far-fetched.
:love: macgayver beautiful dolphin is an incredible ship but maybe to expect playmobil to produce one that size is aiming a little bit too high - and maybe the final result would also loose that strange balance of scale.
:hmm: ... and all this to say that maybe we could all aim at a 3940 size and then move over to another "battle" afterwards.
it is easier for lego to add length to their ships - they just have to add more "bricks" - but a new bigger mould (even if it can come from the 3940) will be very expensive.
a 3940 "dressed" in royal navy colours would be so much easier to produce.
... and so much easier to sell - unlike lego playmobil seems to have a very "neanderthal" approach to their marketing strategies.
a 200 euros ship could be sellable but geobra would have to know how to sell it (and i have a feeling that they have no idea on how to do it) :hmm:.
I concurr, though the act of making such a ship is definitely feasible, if Playmobil's current trend continues, it is highly unlikely to happen as it would be severely opposite their current trend.
My guesses as to WHY the current trend exists and may continue to exist:
I'm still trying to figure out why the new line of Playmo pirates looks so fisher-pricey. I thought 4290 was so kiddish, but the ghost pirate ship is even moreso, stock. Is this for the U.S. market only? I ask because I also collect Japanese mecha toys, and I notice the U.S. versions (even of the same exact moulds) are somewhat lacking and "dumbed down" for not only U.S. safety standards, but also U.S. age-appropriate complexity ratings (in other words, they lower the safety hazzard and complexity levels both to appeal to a younger age so that the product can be sold to a wider market, not just older kids or collectors. In a way, such practices almost seem to say to me that marketers (both domestic and abroad) seem to think American kids are too dumb to "get it." It really annoys me! If the previous generation could have ships with real rope rigging and realistic metal bells and tiny little parts, why should the current generation be dumbed down? (plus everyone's always ready to start a law-suit). Sad sign of the times.
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(at least this is not a topic where steck vs sytem-x can take over) ;)
Speaking of system x, steck, and legos, I wonder if making ships with expansion capability might be an idea? Selling ship hulls that can be expanded by purchasing additional hull sections/levels and making add-ons for ships (masts, yards, sails, etc....) more available so customers can build up and customize their own version of a ship with as many hull sections and masts as they want, much like we do with castles and other edifice playsets. And each section would be compartamentalized to retain its own stability and floatability. That would be freakin awesome!
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Not very easy to do, though :hmm: ... Lego ships don't float. Nor does steck. It isn't impossible however.
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i am glad you used the term "dumbed-down" blackpearl. :)
i guess us europeans tend to see america that way and sometimes are afraid (i know i am) to say it directly. :-[
although i agree that sometimes american products seem to be designed for "dumb" people or "dumb" kids let's nor forget what great things the u.s.a. gave to the world - the first accomplished liberal revolution, 2 world war wins and, last but not least, the incredible capacity to describe complex realities with very few words (and "dumbed-down" is a great example of what i am saying).
but, in this case the "dumbs" seem to be the geobra designers and marketeers (whatever their nationality might be).
thay arrived too late and in a very clumsy (and glue-ish) way to the "pirates of the caribbean" trend and they will be so very "dumb" if they miss the opportunity of 2 extra "master and commander" movies (all the actors have a contract for 2 extra sequels, h.m.s. surprise is finishing its last repairs and the only thing that seems to be missing is a confirmation from russell crowe) :prays: :crossed:
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... oh, and by the way, what about a 2 klicky blister with a "jack aubrey" and a "stephen maturin". ;)
even if geobra would have to pay royalties to patrick o'brien heirs and win almost nothing with the blister, they would really "pull" people into their products - specially the new h.m.s. flagship. ;D
even "our" "soft" customizers (using only existing pieces) would find it so easy to produce both - royal navy officer with blond hair and no hat, white fighting trousers and hessian boots added / chimney sweeper as a base to a naval surgeon. :love:
come on, that is even easier than another idea that i've had sometime ago for a blister with moby dick's captain ahab and its harpooner queequeg. :yup:
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i am glad you used the term "dumbed-down" blackpearl. :)
i guess us europeans tend to see america that way and sometimes are afraid (i know i am) to say it directly. :-[
although i agree that sometimes american products seem to be designed for "dumb" people or "dumb" kids let's nor forget what great things the u.s.a. gave to the world - the first accomplished liberal revolution, 2 world war wins and, last but not least, the incredible capacity to describe complex realities with very few words (and "dumbed-down" is a great example of what i am saying).
but, in this case the "dumbs" seem to be the geobra designers and marketeers (whatever their nationality might be).
thay arrived too late and in a very clumsy (and glue-ish) way to the "pirates of the caribbean" trend and they will be so very "dumb" if they miss the opportunity of 2 extra "master and commander" movies (all the actors have a contract for 2 extra sequels, h.m.s. surprise is finishing its last repairs and the only thing that seems to be missing is a confirmation from russell crowe) :prays: :crossed:
lol, I wasn't trying to be profound on the U.S.'s contributions to the world and history in general, lol, just about toys and how they are marketed to kids, begging the question "are they dumbed down because our kids are 'dumber?' Or do our kids get dumber because we patronize them and try to simplify things for them too much in the first place, rather than challenge them and catalyze their imagination. In either case, I fear the trend only leads to a downward spiral.
I have worked in our local education system for a number of years, and I have noticed a similar trend in our educational approach to our youth. Rather than challenge them at the risk of failure (which is quantified as substandard marks in schools) which also makes the school look bad and affect the school's success statistics and subsequent funding, the schools, instead, will "dumb down" the education to make goals more easily attainable by a larger (and less adept) number of students, thereby increasing their effectivity numbers, as well as making the schools more eligible for continued funding.
In the end, it boils down to this:
I see a trend in America where it is assumed that catering to intelligent people would mean excluding a majority of a target audience which would result in lower profit, so they lower the bar, so to speak, thereby generalising the market to a greater mass, thereby increasing their profitability margins.
It's all about the money
Back on topic, this means a costly remould (or new mould) of a giant complex ship, according to apparent market trends, would most likely be deemed economically unfeasible for Playmobil (USA) at this time.
I have more confidence that such a ship would be more successful in Europe and abroad, and even if created, I have high doubts that the US retailers will buy into the product (as is, anyway, without dumbing it down for us).
I know Playmobil is a German toy, but, at the risk of having a big American head (as I am Yankie-born myself), I would venture to say that Playmobil does in fact consider its US marketing base highly in their economic and marketing decisions. Not that the whole world revolves around us Yanks :p
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but, in this case the "dumbs" seem to be the geobra designers and marketeers (whatever their nationality might be).
thay arrived too late and in a very clumsy (and glue-ish) way to the "pirates of the caribbean" trend and they will be so very "dumb" if they miss the opportunity of 2 extra "master and commander" movies (all the actors have a contract for 2 extra sequels, h.m.s. surprise is finishing its last repairs and the only thing that seems to be missing is a confirmation from russell crowe)[/font] :prays: :crossed:
Well, if Geobra is riding the Pirates of the Caribbean theme, there MIGHT be some hope of an imperial ship, as the H.M.S. Suprise, as you may or may not know, is being filmed as the H.M.S. Providence in the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie On Stranger Tides. It will feature a battle between it and The Queen [Anne's] Revenge, Blackbeard's (aka Edward Teach)'s ship (which, in reality is actually the Black Pearl redressed as the Queen's Revenge.
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8213/fdc6f748d65b.jpg)
Either way, there is definitely enough REASON for Playmobil to do an imperial ship, whether they are going through history base, or for Piratey American marketing base......you can't have pirates, even ghost ones, without non-pirates to attack! Why is every playmoship a PIRATE ship?
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If Playmobil would add just eight or so inches in length, one mast, and four heavy guns (two per side) to their 3940 and changed the color scheme to black and yellow, they'd have a great ship that many collectors, and possibly some parents and children, would snap up.
I toured HMS Surprise, which is berthed in San Diego, last summer. Even though it's not a ship of the line, it's still a large and impressive vessel.
Being in the field of education myself, unfortunately I tend to agree with BlackPearl2006's views on modern American children and modern American public education. It didn't used to be this way, but a lot of things have changed. Another thing to consider is that American attorneys are more numerous, hungry, and parasitic compared to their European counterparts, thus things must be "dumbed-down" by companies out of fear of litigation.
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If Playmobil would add just eight or so inches in length, one mast, and four heavy guns (two per side) to their 3940 and changed the color scheme to black and yellow, they'd have a great ship that collectors, and possibly some parents and children, would snap up.
I toured HMS Surprise, which is berthed in San Diego, last summer. Even though it's not a ship of the line, it's still a large and impressive vessel.
Most Playmobil vehicles are modular, I've noticed, as in each component piece is all one colour. The 3286, for example, though multi-coloured, is ALL RED on the top hull AND deck (which is one piece), and then the bottom half of the hull is grey. To exact the "Nelson Checker" black and gold colour scheme of the imperial ships, Playmobil would have to actually paint different parts of the hull colours OTHER than the colour the integral piece is moulded in, and/or provide stickers to compensate. While the 3286 does sport a blue stripe sticker to contrast the red, I am finding it difficult to imagine how to effectively duplicate the Nelson Checker colour scheme on a 3286 style ship otherwise.
But I still hope for a Playmo man-o-war. Not necessarily the 3286 style, but more of a sleeker ship sans raised stern castle, and a real gun deck that can accommodate more head room for the klickies to be able to stand. As it is, the gundeck on the 3286 is really only tall enough for the cannons, not klickies :(
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Most Playmobil vehicles are modular, I've noticed, as in each component piece is all one colour. The 3286, for example, though multi-coloured, is ALL RED on the top hull AND deck (which is one piece), and then the bottom half of the hull is grey. To exact the "Nelson Checker" black and gold colour scheme of the imperial ships, Playmobil would have to actually paint different parts of the hull colours OTHER than the colour the integral piece is moulded in, and/or provide stickers to compensate. While the 3286 does sport a blue stripe sticker to contrast the red, I am finding it difficult to imagine how to effectively duplicate the Nelson Checker colour scheme on a 3286 style ship otherwise.
But I still hope for a Playmo man-o-war. Not necessarily the 3286 style, but more of a sleeker ship sans raised stern castle, and a real gun deck that can accommodate more head room for the klickies to be able to stand. As it is, the gundeck on the 3286 is really only tall enough for the cannons, not klickies :(
Ideally, I'd like this too, but I could live with an elongated 3940 with stickers. :)
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BlackPearl,
Ship’s stability a reflection of beam vs. draft. The greater the beam vs. the draft, the greater the stability.
Hull length influences hull speed- The greater the hull length vs. beam equals increased hull speed.
The quintessential example of this is actually HMS ENDEVOUR; She started out as a collier, a flat bottomed, short, squat hull. This is what got her over the Great Barrier Reef, but also slowed her to a practical crawl.
On the other hand, HMS ROSE rolled over on her maiden voyage because she was too skinny.
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0) just a quick prediction on when this flagship will be released by playmobil.
as an example i am picking the 4444.
in january 2007 - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1262.msg14900#msg14900 - i spoted a small sailing dinghy that hadoque shows in his pictures.
i wished for one then.
in september 2007 the 4444 appears to public eye - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1666.0 - and it is launched in 2008.
:yup: so, if we ("we" being much more than "i") are talking seriously about this in spetember 2011, the new flagship will first be seen in may 2012 and will be launched at the end of 2012 (for christmas).
;) this is my "official" prediction.
p.s. :wow: thank you so much macgayver for your incredible ships - http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/
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0) just a quick prediction on when this flagship will be released by playmobil.
as an example i am picking the 4444.
in january 2007 - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1262.msg14900#msg14900 - i spoted a small sailing dinghy that hadoque shows in his pictures.
i wished for one then.
in september 2007 the 4444 appears to public eye - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1666.0 - and it is launched in 2008.
:yup: so, if we ("we" being much more than "i") are talking seriously about this in spetember 2011, the new flagship will first be seen in may 2012 and will be launched at the end of 2012 (for christmas).
;) this is my "official" prediction.
p.s. :wow: thank you so much macgayver for your incredible ships - http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/
I cant wait that long!!!! ;D
But I suppose it would be worth the wait. :P
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p.s. :wow: thank you so much macgayver for your incredible ships - (http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/)
If they intended that the ship does not float, they could straight out clone DOLPHIN (just skip the figurehead).
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If they intended that the ship does not float, they could straight out clone DOLPHIN (just skip the figurehead).
A Playmobil ship that does not float?! o_O I wonder what Mr. Beck's opinion of that would have been.... There's gotta be a way to make it float!
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Well, I DON’T know that she doesn’t actually float, but the Pirate Flagship (set #3286) he built her from is fairly top-heavy as-is, and the mods would make her moreso, so I’m guessing she’s not very seaworthy… But that is only an educated guess.
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0) just a quick prediction on when this flagship will be released by playmobil.
as an example i am picking the 4444.
in january 2007 - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1262.msg14900#msg14900 - i spoted a small sailing dinghy that hadoque shows in his pictures.
i wished for one then.
in september 2007 the 4444 appears to public eye - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1666.0 - and it is launched in 2008.
:yup: so, if we ("we" being much more than "i") are talking seriously about this in spetember 2011, the new flagship will first be seen in may 2012 and will be launched at the end of 2012 (for christmas).
;) this is my "official" prediction.
p.s. :wow: thank you so much macgayver for your incredible ships - http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/
I hope you are correct, cachalote! :prays:
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:hmm: just so that geobra spies can see that i am serious about this subject i am "adding" some news about a "master and commander" sequel:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-07-17-russell-crowe_N.htm
apparently russel crowe's wife is preassuring him to get back to sea (she said she loved the way he looked dressed as a naval officer) and the rest of the initial cast already have a contract to do 3 movies (they only did one).
so... come on geobra, don't be shy or stupid and start to produce a new large imperial ship and a blister with jack aubrey and stephen maturin look-a-likes - in a well done fashion (blisters only have numbers) the name that you give to the blister can even get you out form paying royalties.
:) a.s.a.p. please.
p.s. and all of you pilot group members, if you want to do a real service to the playmo-fan community, pass on this request / demand to geobra (instead of keeping silent and doing "secret" stuff.
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so... come on geobra, don't be shy or stupid and start to produce a new large imperial ship and a blister with jack aubrey and stephen maturin look-a-likes - in a well done fashion (blisters only have numbers) the name that you give to the blister can even get you out form paying royalties.
:) a.s.a.p. please.
They don’t even have to be anything like the cast of the movie, and since CROWE’S costume was a British Navy Officer’s uniform you can’t be made to pay royalties on that, either…
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:hmm: just so that geobra spies can see that i am serious about this subject i am "adding" some news about a "master and commander" sequel:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-07-17-russell-crowe_N.htm
apparently russel crowe's wife is preassuring him to get back to sea (she said she loved the way he looked dressed as a naval officer) and the rest of the initial cast already have a contract to do 3 movies (they only did one).
so... come on geobra, don't be shy or stupid and start to produce a new large imperial ship and a blister with jack aubrey and stephen maturin look-a-likes - in a well done fashion (blisters only have numbers) the name that you give to the blister can even get you out form paying royalties.
:) a.s.a.p. please.
p.s. and all of you pilot group members, if you want to do a real service to the playmo-fan community, pass on this request / demand to geobra (instead of keeping silent and doing "secret" stuff.
Maybe you can add that the HMS Suprise will also be in the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie, if they want to produce an imperial ship to add to their Pirate line as enemies. Wouldn't hurt to give them all the marketing incentive they can get. It's still a royal ship in the Pirate's movie, also captained by royal navymen (or at least pretending to be). British officers shouldn't have to be copywritten or be paid royalties for, if they keep it generic. :D
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Playmobil deserves its Imperial Flagship too :love:
Karim :)
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Cachalote seems to be so sure about all this that I'm already on line at my favorite toy store!!! :wave:
And his predictions did come true in the past! Let's hope this one too! Do you have spies in Geobra or you are just a good observer??? :lol:
Go Cachalote, go!!!
;D
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dear tonguello,
:-[ all i am really announcing is a wish.
:) i hope it will come true.
my prediciton in the past was actually a coincidence (there is no way playmobil coud have produced a sailing dinghy in 9 months).
let's hope we can get another one.
:lens: maybe geobra could have noticed in the past macgayver creations - http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/ - the dolphin and the unicorn - and has already everything prepared for packaging.
:wow: if this will come true who relly deserves credit for this is macgayver.
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:hmm: just in case geobra designers have lost all the kowledge from hans beck days (with the 4290 ship this is a real possibility) i am suggesting a fast way to know how things should look - the osprey books: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/napoleonic/
;) all you have is to read them quickly and quaicly launch a new big imperial flagship.
... and hurry up please.
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... and if they also want to buid a new pirate ship and they have lost (i am still talking os geobra designers) all their material, osprey can also be the solution. ;)
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... but let's stay on topic - what playmobil is producing is a british napoleonic ship of the line (it it is a flagship or not, it doesn'r really matter). ;)
it will be big and it will have a good ratio between playmo-reality and real-reality. :)
and lots of cannons. :yup:
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And if so, then two ship sets: one with British looking crew and one with French looking crew. The French can be re-release blue coated so-called Imperial Guard. I see these were being used to represent French soldiers anyway. There are many past pirate ships, and these can also be used for fighting pirates and also the Spanish ship and Klickies recently produced.
-- Donmobil
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... but let's stay on topic - what playmobil is producing is a british napoleonic ship of the line (it it is a flagship or not, it doesn'r really matter). ;)
it will be big and it will have a good ratio between playmo-reality and real-reality. :)
and lots of cannons. :yup:
Guns. On a ship they are referred to as “guns.”
And many of them- Dozens.
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Guns. On a ship they are referred to as “guns.”
And many of them- Dozens.
Dozens? :o
Epic. ;D ;D ;D
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I have the LEGO Imperialf Flagship :) and I love it. BTW word has it LEGO has the license to do Pirartes of the Caribbean in 2011. It's not confirmed but a teaser figure was spotted in the summer of Jack Sparrow.
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Dozens? :o
Dozens.Epic. ;D ;D ;D
No, hundreds is epic.
Dozens is just more likely.
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No, hundreds is epic.
Dozens is just more likely.
Still pretty cool though,
And way more then any Playmobil ship has ever had! :o
(That wasn't customized.)
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:hmm: i decided to recover this thread from the past just to remember geobra that his matter isn't closed.
:love: we loved the new marine dinghy but we really want a big flagship to go with it.
:) can you (geobra) hurry with it please?
:yup: people here are getting restless and they have the right to feel this way (you are taking too long).
;) and please don't forget the string rigging.
;) and please don't forget the 12 "real" cannons.
;) and please don't forget that ships are manned by sailors (the red-coat marines just help) and officers.
;) and please don't forget to produce a add-on set to fill the ship (extra sailors, food and beverage, animals, etc.).
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Great idea bringing this back up! ;D
Maybe the Pilot Group can look into it too... :D
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It really is huge, our new Imperial Flagship, isn't it... ;D
::)
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At least we got the 3286 back,
and in better colors! :D
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At least we got the 3286 back,
and in better colors! :D
Isnt this the new one with the fake cannons on each side. ??? I prefer the original 3286 with the real ones !!! The ship playmobil has ever made, do we really need a bigger ship than this ? dotn get me wrong but a 4 mst would be ideal but the cost I am thinkign about ... I have 3x 3286 ( two still boxed !!!) they are the best ones i have ever come across and another 10 other pirate ships or so ... The last one with the pop up cannons i dont like at all ...
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So Lego & Pirates- Here is a pic from their Pirates of the Caribbean line...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qa13GlKvkqY/TUmI65P0Y6I/AAAAAAAADC0/8hYG_BXuy10/s400/lego-pirates-of-the-caribbean-4194-whitecap-bay.jpg)
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;) just not to let this matter die, i just wanted to let you know that maybe a sequel to the movie "master and commander" will happen.
apparently russel crowe decide that he wanted it and even advised fans to massacre fox's c.e.o. with messages demanding a sequel - http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2010/12/07/russell_crowe_calls_for_master_and_com.
there is even a facebook page dedicated to this - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Master-and-Commander-Sequel/108812229192044.
:) so, if geobra is smart and sometimes "uses" our ideas - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0 - they will start to prepare this new imperial warship.
:) antecipating movies that can be blockbusters when they are released is not that difficult, and geobra could use their success having new sets coinciding with theirreleases.
... and royalties free
there are a lot of sites offering this information - an example is http://www.comingsoon.net/database.php
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here here!!!! :captain: :captain: :captain: :captain: :captain:
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I amplify that !!!!!!
:captain: :captain: :captain: :captain: :captain: :captain: :captain:
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:'( lego guys seem to be centuries ahead.
:) they even have a site dedicated to "us" - http://www.classic-pirates.com/.
;D when i say "us" i mean us pirate fans, of course.
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Just for grins, ;D, how long would the ideal ship be for Playmobil klickeys?
How many masts?...Just wondering. ???
Jimbo
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A "Unicorn"-class trimaster, Jimbo ;) And a 2nd gundeck as an add-on set. ;D
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Just for grins, ;D, how long would the ideal ship be for Playmobil klickeys?
How many masts?...Just wondering. ???
Jimbo
I'd like a trimaster as well, or especially one with a fore top mast flying at the tip of the bowsprit:
(http://bellevueholidayrentals.com/nautical/frigate.jpg)
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Something like that would probably cost 500 euro and come with two klickies and a monkey.
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Something like that would probably cost 500 euro and come with two klickies and a monkey.
:lol: :lol:
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Something like that would probably cost 500 euro and come with two klickies and a monkey.
That would be perfect! :loco:
All the rest can be bought seperately ;)
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:) i would say that, if geobra wants to profit from a new master and commander sequel, they should bet on hms surprise.
it's not the only ship jack aubrey uses in his 21 adventures but it was the one that was used in the first master and commander movie.
... and it would be simpler for the production to use the same ship.
if you want to know all of them here's a link with plans - http://www.ctbasses.com/misc/BruceTrinque/aubrey4.html.
i would prefer a "full" playmo-version with string rigging and metal anchor and tons of extras (sailores, officers, animals, food, guns, swords) based on the 3940/3286us to a totally new 4 masted / 500 euros set.
"paint" dos wonders to make the same ship look different - just look at the new 5135.
;) they can all be seen on one of the best threads this site has to offer (just kidding) - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=4639.0
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so we have one vote for the Unicorn, another for the HMS Suprise.... We need the HMS Victory to literally flagship this idea through!
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i very much doubt playmobil will create anything as such .... :( :( :(
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i would prefer a "full" playmo-version with string rigging and metal anchor and tons of extras (sailores, officers, animals, food, guns, swords) based on the 3940/3286us to a totally new 4 masted / 500 euros set.
"paint" dos wonders to make the same ship look different - just look at the new 5135.
actually, the 3286/5135 wouldn't be a good mould to base an HMS suprise after, IMO, because of its tiered and galleon-sloped decks. 18th century man-0-wars such as the Suprise need streamlined deck profiles with no fore or aft castles (to reduce on wind resistance, for speed). And it is still a 3-masted square rigger. The gundeck is very small (not even enough headroom to stand fully upright; you must crouch under there), and there must be guns above deck as well. They'd need to completely design a new ship from scratch, NOT using 3050, 3286, or the upscaled version of the 4444, and gosh forbid don't use the 4290 ever again. I know they can make something that big...the victorian houses and castles are huge...they can do this!
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I agree, Atto. Start over from the water up. If it was marketed correctly, people would buy them as fast as they could produce them IMHO! A huge water worthy 4 masted, highly detailed ship,....priceless to a collector!
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I still think a lengthened trimaster based on the 3940 or 5135 would be the best solution.
Okay, Atto, you're right about it's decks being more galleon-like, but such a trimaster could be used for scenes from ca. 1600 till ca. 1800, instead of just the late-18th/early-19th century. I guess they would just have to make a few alterations to the mould and make a stretched-out version.
It would be very costly to create a complete new large trimaster-design, probably be not commercially viable as just some collectors and/or ship-fanatcis would buy it because of it's huge pricetag, and so it would likely end up the way the Mississippi Steamboat did: being a cabinet-display item in the design department's quarters (perhaps they already have a trimaster-prototype display in their offices).
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well i know a photo its on macgayver website, but i dont know if its ok to post the like , maybe he get offended or anything.
ryan
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You mean "The Dolphin"?
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you know what im talking about mate
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8} ... so many ships could be made.
:love: i still have a special love for the hans beck favourite - the 3750.
:love: it was the first playmo i bought for my nephew 10 years ago and it was the ship that "pulled" me into the playmo-world.
:) but, no matter if geobra decided to go with this mould or the bigger 3940 (just as long as they forget the infamous 4290) all i want is a royal navy ship filled with british sailors (not with marines, a mistake they just did with the 5149 and the 5948).
:) my 3740 schooner just needs a "bigger" sister to keep her company.
:hmm: geobra did a mistake by trying to profit in the "pirates of the caribbean" to late.
i think this is one of the reasons the ghost-pirate theme failed.
;) they should not make the same mistake twice and they should start producing "our" ship just as a new "master and commander" sequel is announced.
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I think Playmobil needs to start from scratch on a new proper warship. My dream would be to have a single deck, with a slightly raised forecastle and stern, three-masted mid to late 18th century frigate with the same width as the 3940/5775 but about 50% longer. Keep the captain's quarter's about the same size as in the 3940/5775, give her twelve real gun ports (include two guns in the set, but make additional pairs of guns available as Add-Ons), a black and yellow color scheme, a bluecoat captain, a redcoat, and two seamen (with a bluecoat first officer and a 3-pack of seamen as Add-Ons). Charge $200 USD. This would be a home run among adults and would sell just as well, if not better than, any of Playmobil's circa $200 USD sets, in my opinion. Go big or go home, Playmobil! :captain:
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Alas,
$200 is just too much for a child's toy.
I don't think such a thing is possible.
But I do think a "sectioned" ship that you can take apart
and buy add-ons for to make it bigger and such would work fine.
We talked about such a ship in another thread... :eh?:
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Alas,
$200 is just too much for a child's toy.
I don't think such a thing is possible.
But I do think a "sectioned" ship that you can take apart
and buy add-ons for to make it bigger and such would work fine.
We talked about such a ship in another thread... :eh?:
$200 does seem like a lot, but right now Playmobil's castle and hospital are $200, their school is $185, their fantasy castle is $180, their modern house is $170, and their doll house is $155, so why not a $200 ship?
My concern wtih a modular ship would be that it wouldn't float (not that I care about this, but kids and parents might) and that it would easily break apart. One really needs a one-piece hull for a ship to work properly.
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Good point, I had forgotten how much the castles cost.
Breaking might be a problem,
but Steck is durable enough to pick up and carry around.
Maybe with a better system it could work.
As for waterproofing... I don't have much of an answer. :-\
Maybe you could build your perfect ship, then seal it. :o
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i think a sectioned ship could work out just fine if you use the underwater balance/ballast thingies they are selling now... basically like a pontoon bridge with sails :lol:
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Maybe they should take it one step at a time and for starters release a ship worth about 100 euro as opposed to the current 60-70?
Just a ship thats slightly bigger and has four cannons below deck, the deck could be kept quite open aside from a walkway on the sides.
A design like that might make it easier as well to have a room at the front of the ship, a carpenter's workshop or place for clickies to sleep.
Overall the ship could be about 15 centimeters longer than the current ships.
Important thing is that cannons should be below deck to create a more realistic ship and something that resembles a warship.