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Creative => How-To => Topic started by: Giorginetto on July 26, 2010, 09:03:24
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My first attempt was this ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIecRLt3guU
Apologies for the poor camera quality. Since this set up i have bought another 12 steck houses, 2 complere 3666s, lots of walls ( over 120) , steck parts , round towers and all related bits and pieces ( 300 toasters etc etc), more market stands etc etc i want to biult two high steck walls with double areas on top to allow lots of klickies to stand behind the fortifications, you can see what i have created on the walls of the kings quarters . I am thinking of creatign a single heigh wall with simple stand ons with the brown gamma shaped connectors as outer wall with square towers and inner wall double heigh with twice the size surfaces behind fortifications ( as in my video) with round towers and have catapults and lots of klickies behind fortifications . any pictures , links of related grand steck designs/ walls will be apprecieted as I am a bit stuck , help. also what suggestion do yo uhave about the castel doors if building on double heights ?? surely they will look weird and a weak spot .. any ideas , suggestions ???? i was thinking 3 point connectors either side of classic steck double castle doors and going on the back a door ( as in my medieval city internal wall - see video) and run a wall on top of that door.. any ideas/ suggestions ?? :wave: :wave: :wave:
I will start building my grand mediaval citatel after i complete taking pictures of my romans/ gauls/ egyptians , sometime in early september so your feedback will be appreciated as i have started drawing my grand mediaval citadel , there will be 1600 mediaval klickies in it !!!!!
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Perhaps you can find inspiration in the lay-out of krak de chevaliers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers
It has double walls with towers, the inner walls higher than the others.
Behind the entrance doors is a maze of corridors that is especially designed as a killing ground for enemies. Once you get in, you're dead. Very impressive.
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I am at work and cannot think creatively right now! Reckon I'll be quite tired when I get back home at around 7, but I will go through your initial post George and think it over!!!
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Thanks for the link Ali Baba, thats really interesting
Sir Wolf , no worries !!! I shall not start building in teh next few days but any ideas / tips when / if possible will be greatly appreciated
I am looking for any related threads/ pics .. anyone.. :)
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Fabulous Georginetto - love your work ;D
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Wow that city is an easy attck for my men ;D
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Wow that city is an easy attck for my men ;D
even my next one will be double the size, even this one with a total guard of over 1000 klickies and 25 catapults i dont think so. you kliclies would simply die under my walls ... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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what suggestion do yo uhave about the castel doors if building on double heights ?? surely they will look weird and a weak spot .. any ideas , suggestions ???? i was thinking 3 point connectors either side of classic steck double castle doors and going on the back a door ( as in my medieval city internal wall - see video) and run a wall on top of that door.. any ideas/ suggestions ?? :wave: :wave: :wave:
Great to see the set up G., even if the camera was a little shaky. I liked your choice of music too.
Castle gates are ALWAYS a weak spot, usually the weakest spot in the whole defence, that is unavoidable. Wood, even reinforced wiyth iron bars, is weaker than stone, and the gate has to be easily approchable by foot, wagon and horse, when no other part of the wall does (e.g. see Edinburgh Castle, built on top of an old Volcano).
A massive gatehouse spanning the gates would allow defenders to drop nasty things down onto any attackers who got beyond the first gate - a second gate beyond holding the unfortunates in the killing ground like fish in a barrel. You might deliberately allow attackers to get past a first false defense, then drop a portcullis behind them and get on with the killing.
In Steck terms you should be able to carry a wall right across above the gateway, even if it is hanging unsupported. Have arrowslits in the walls so defenders can shoot down.
Another common feature would be a postern gate, a one-man width gate through which defenders could sally forth unnoticed and attack the beseigers from behind. A postern gate is very easy to include and adds a nice touch.
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there are some attempts in building castle gates two storeys high over at the german boards .... :hmm: ... but I'm afraid most of them are built in System X ... I'll see if I can fetch some pics for you, but don't expect them within one day, please ;)
nice city btw ;D
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I like Martin's idea! The extra wall above the gate!! I've seen it in many steck castles!!! I'll be off to see how much I can make it happen in my design... I was thinking of it but now i really want to try it!
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Nope...too tired to think this through...
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Amazing what a few sips of beer can do!!! :D :D :D :D
Ok here is an idea!!!
You can add the gate, extend the double hight section so that you can support double floor parts and then fill it with catapults and guards, build a door for the troops to come out on the battlements, raise towers...etc etc etc... ;D ;D ;D
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Oh, just one more to see that its actually two parts...
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That is a good idea Wolf Knight,
but not entirely the best it could be. :no:
The attackers could easily just bash through the lower wall
And run right under the defenders,
Even attacking them from behind.
Then while the defenders are pushed against the wall with nowhere to go
It becomes a blood bath for the defenders as opposed to the attackers.
To maxamise the effectiveness of this idea
There should be solid wall pieces to support the second wall pieces.
(just a small adjustment) :)
Also, to strengthen the gate...
Make a corridor between the first gate and a second gate,
Make it 2 units wide and 2 units long using these pieces: 30 07 0780 - Floor, 1x2 units, square hole (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30%2007%200780)
Then while the attackers are trying to knock through the second gate,
Pour boiling oil on them as they work...
Also, putting arrow slits in the walls on either side of the corridor
Allows archers to shoot at the attackers while the burning oil takes it's toll.
Another thing you can do to help strengthen the walls is to put small outlets
Maybe one or two steck sections out from the walls every foot and a half.
Make them into towers if you want,
But that is not really necessary.
These outlets can be used to fire on the backs of the besiegers (using archers)
while they climb/attack the wall.
The outlets should be small enough that they can only be attacked by small bands of men at a time, thus allowing your men stationed there to fight them off easily enough.
That is all I can think of for now,
Hope it helps. ;D
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These are all great improvements Warrior!!
Is there another word for outlet? Just to understand better what you mean. Although, I think I know what you mean...
And will there be anything left and right of the corridor going from one gate to the other? Meaning, is the first gate an extended one outside the wall perimeter? And the corridor links it to the main wall section? Or are both parts of the main perimeter?
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Excellent ideas and info Martin, WoT and Sir Wolf, and thanks for the pictures Panos . I think we are getting somwwhere and with all these ideas next think will be to experiment to find the optimum solution and to check if i have enough steck as my next mediaval foot print will have to be at least 50% than the one shown on video ... I think first wall and then immediate second wall two high will be the ideal approach ( as shown in Panos pictures ) plus a corridor for the gates where boulder throwers can be above and archers positions etc etc .. cant wait !!!!
Hmmmm, i think i need some more floor parts , lots actually !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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And maybe a couple of towers even higher than the boulder throwers...
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Goooooooooooood idea !!!!!!!!! Actually I am very stressed as with the concept of double walls not sure how many additional steck parts i will need etc, truth is i will never truly be able to find out till i start building my citadel . ANd i want another 4 roudn towers which is very annoying i havent got yet but i dont want to buy complete 3666s as i have plenty of doors, houses etc etc .. Awwwwww , the universal truth of ' There is never enough steck'
where is the best place to get 4 round towers ????
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where is the best place to get 4 round towers ????
If you enter a playmobil search for castle (ritterburg) on the german ebay you'll get 2548 items at the moment... :o :o :o 51 pages...
There is also the round tower from ds but its quite expensive these days...
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By outlet Wolf Knight, I mean a small square tower sticking out from the wall every 5 steck sections or so.
Just put a "tower" sticking out 1 or 2 steck wall pieces from the wall,
Then make it just 1 steck wall piece wide
So it is not big enough for a large assault.
The corridor will be indented into the wall.
The first gate SHOULD NOT stick out of the wall at all.
That would make it weaker. :o
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By outlet Wolf Knight, I mean a small square tower sticking out from the wall every 5 steck sections or so.
Just put a "tower" sticking out 1 or 2 steck wall pieces from the wall,
Then make it just 1 steck wall piece wide
So it is not big enough for a large assault.
The corridor will be indented into the wall.
The first gate SHOULD NOT stick out of the wall at all.
That would make it weaker. :o
Thanks for the clarifications Warrior!!! Just what I imagined!!!
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Aha, the pics make it much clearer. Usually the purpose of the higher inner walls is that should an enemy conquer the lower walls, you can shoot at them from the higher walls. Since the battlements are on the outside they have no cover.
So from a defence point of view the higher walls should be moved back a little from the lower walls. Then it is more difficult to conquer the higher walls as wel, as the attackers need to scale the entire higher wall.
Often the gates were set recessed in the wall, with towers on either side. That makes it much more difficult to attack the gates.
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All great ideas, thanks all
Sir Wolf , i have a saved search ' Playmobil Ritterburg' , hehehe we are thinking quite alike in terms of playmos Sir. Havent found any round towers last time i looked but will have another look .... :D
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still cant find round towers , looks like iwill have to buy another 4 3666s ... :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit:
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Will it be too expensive to get the parts from librejoggen?
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Will it be too expensive to get the parts from librejoggen?
Thats a good idea ;) ;) ;) , will msg him and ask for enough parts for 4-6 towers !!! 0)