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General => Direct Service/Parts Queries => Topic started by: skypurr on June 07, 2010, 15:54:57
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Having fallen into the Roman trap and bought an arena :-[ I want some spectators.
On Heather's site I can only find 2 Roman ladies and am looking for suggestions for other figures that could be used - any ideas?
Elaine
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Mary from the Nativity set is an good one.
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and joseph as well also can make some of your own!!!!!!!
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There are the Egyptians which would do. Rome was a very cosmopolitan place.
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There are the Egyptians which would do. Rome was a very cosmopolitan place.
to be realistic i don't think there were any agyptians on rome !!!!
althought the anchient egypt klickys fit to the arena and offcourse the cleopatra you must buy this clicky it's ideal for the arena here it is : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Playmobil-Special-Figure-4651-Cleopatra/dp/B000ELJ3V2
there are so many great roman males i think they supposed to sit there and not the mary or the egyptians!!!!!!
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to be realistic i don't think there were any agyptians on rome !!!!
Egypt was a Roman province from 30BC so it seems likely that some Egyptians would have been in Rome and there were arenas in foreign cities as well as Rome itself.
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Egypt was a Roman province from 30BC so it seems likely that some Egyptians would have been in Rome and there were arenas in foreign cities as well as Rome itself.
i think they weren't any agyptians in rome perhaps as slave!!!!!!
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Elaine you could use 30 14 0780 - Good Fairy (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-14-0780), 30 14 0000 - Royal mother (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-14-0000), there are loads of patterns that you can use but you have to go through the database and see what torso fits what legs...perhpas a little customisation....
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i think they weren't any agyptians in rome perhaps as slave!!!!!!
I would have thought that there might be Egyptians in Rome both as, for example, foreign traders and as slaves.
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I would have thought that there might be Egyptians in Rome both as, for example, foreign traders and as slaves.
perhaps i don't know !!!!!
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There was even a widespread Isis cult in Rome. So Egyptians in Rome is not too far fetched. Also gauls and barbarians are possible. Remember, the last emperor of Rome was a pupet of the German tribes!
The three kings from the nativity series would look good.
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There was even a widespread Isis cult in Rome. So Egyptians in Rome is not too far fetched. Also gauls and barbarians are possible. Remember, the last emperor of Rome was a pupet of the German tribes!
The three kings from the nativity series would look good.
intresting !!!!! i didn't knew
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Here is some interesting reading about the latter years of the roman empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricimer
Another Idea for audience in the arene, there are some arab and eastern women in various sets. They could look very good.
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There was even a widespread Isis cult in Rome. So Egyptians in Rome is not too far fetched. Also gauls and barbarians are possible. Remember, the last emperor of Rome was a pupet of the German tribes!
I took a course in Ancient Egypt. Before its fall, Egypt did not trade with Rome, nor were its residents inclined to live outside of Egypt. Egypt was not a sea-faring society. It had ships, but they were mostly used to travel up and down the Nile. They did not trade as much as took what they wanted by military force. Although they would send their armies to other nations, it was not to conquer so much as to beat them into giving the Egyptians whatever tribute they wanted after which they would go home.
All that changed with the death of the last Pharoah, Cleopatra. After Octavian defeated Marc Antony's fleet in the Battle of Actium (and the subsequent suicides of Antony and Cleopatra), Egypt was quickly annexed by the Roman Republic (the Empire not having been established yet). It is unlikely that there would have been any Egyptians who were made citizens. It is more likely that there would be Egyptian slaves.
Although I love the Roman theme, one of my biggest complaints about it is the lack of civilian Klickies. The collosseum was designed to provide entertainment to Roman civilians, not military. There was so much more to Roman society than the army and gladiators, but unfortunately, Playmobil never explored that aspect.
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. What you describe in your first part is ancient Egypt. But those were very different days. Egypt lost its lead and was soon conquered a number of times (late period). Twice by the persians, the macedonians (Alexander the great) and later the romans. This lead to quite a different world view of the Egyptians. Cleopatra was greek/hellenistic and by the time she came to power Egypt had been ruled bij Greeks for centuries!
You a taking very big leaps in your comparison of 2nd millenium bc Egypt to 1st century AD Egypt. It wouldn't have been unlikely for some Egyptians to go to the arena. There wouldn't have been many, but impossible or far fetched it wouldn't have been.
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Congratulations on purchasing some Romans!
It's unfortunate that there are so few original Roman civilians. I second the recommendation of the wise men, Mary and Joseph, the Egyptians, the Gauls, the Good Fairy, and the Royal Mother klickies. I would also suggest the bandits in the Egyptian theme.
Here are some of my klickies, some of which are customs, that could occupy the arena:
First are some patrician women and men, some Greeks, and some slaves or poor plebians.
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Next are some Arab traders and some couples who could be royals from Rome's client kingdoms.
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Great Klickies Justindo. They hit the roman nail right on the head. Thanks for sharing :-)
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An excellent collection, Justindo, and very fine customs.
Yesterday, there was news that a gladiator's graveyard had been excavated in York, about 25 miles from us. Here's a link which ties in with a forthcoming TV programme on the graveyard (oh no! more computer graphics! When will TV presenters realise that a few well spoken words supported by original illustrations are worth gigabytes of computer graphics?)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7806829/Gladiator-burial-ground-discovered-in-York.html
And a link from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/york_and_north_yorkshire/10253483.stm
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Oh wow !! These are absolutely briliant Justindo!!! Well done!!! So many variations!!! So many combinations!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Those are simply fabulous customs Justindo! :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Thank you everyon for your suggestions - I have a lot to work on now.
Justindo, your collection is excellent :wow:
Thank you for the link to the Roman gladiators Gordon it sound fascinating - I've promised to help out at the boys High School on the 14th but I'll make sure I'm back for 9pm to watch the channel 4 programme!
Elaine
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An excellent collection, Justindo, and very fine customs.
Yesterday, there was news that a gladiator's graveyard had been excavated in York, about 25 miles from us. Here's a link which ties in with a forthcoming TV programme on the graveyard (oh no! more computer graphics! When will TV presenters realise that a few well spoken words supported by original illustrations are worth gigabytes of computer graphics?)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7806829/Gladiator-burial-ground-discovered-in-York.html
And a link from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/york_and_north_yorkshire/10253483.stm
Very interesting articles Gordon!
The writing is slightly confusing though, does this
"The researchers said all the individuals were buried with some respect and 14 of them were interred together with grave goods to accompany them to the next world."
mean
"The researchers said all the individuals were buried with some respect and 14 of them were interred together, with grave goods to accompany them to the next world."
or
"The researchers said all the individuals were buried with some respect and 14 of them were interred, together with grave goods to accompany them to the next world."
???
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. What you describe in your first part is ancient Egypt. But those were very different days. Egypt lost its lead and was soon conquered a number of times (late period). Twice by the persians, the macedonians (Alexander the great) and later the romans. This lead to quite a different world view of the Egyptians. Cleopatra was greek/hellenistic and by the time she came to power Egypt had been ruled bij Greeks for centuries!
You a taking very big leaps in your comparison of 2nd millenium bc Egypt to 1st century AD Egypt. It wouldn't have been unlikely for some Egyptians to go to the arena. There wouldn't have been many, but impossible or far fetched it wouldn't have been.
I am fully aware of the differences between the Old Kingdom, the Middle Kingdom, the New Kingdom, and the later periods including the conquests by the Lybians, Nubians, Assyrians, Persians up to the Ptolemies. (By the way, Alexander did not conquer Egypt so much as win it as spoils of war after defeating the Persians: The Persians ruled Egypt; Alexander defeated the Persians; therefore, Alexander ruled Egypt. The Egyptians thought of him as a liberator at first.)
As far as world view goes, we need to look at 1) the archaeological evidence in both Egypt and abroad and 2) the historical records. If you look at the artwork, tombs, and hieroglyphs in Egypt during the years of the conquering nations, you will see that they adopted Egyptian culture, not the other way around. The inscriptions, thus the language, were still in Egyptian hieroglyphs, not in Libyan, not in Persian, not in Assyrian. The tombs and artwork was still in the Egyptian style, not Nubian, not Libyan, not Assyrian, not Persian. The Ptolemies, however, arrogant Greeks/Macedonians that they were, scorned Egyptian culture until Cleopatra, who was the first Ptolemy to learn the Egyptian language and embrace Egyptian culture.
I never said it was impossible that you would find Egyptians in Rome. I merely said it would be unlikely. If there were any there, they would be few and far between.
Did Egyptians go to Rome before its annexation by the Republic? Is there any archaeological evidence or historical writings to that effect either in Egypt or in Rome? I'm open to the possibility, but let's see the evidence. They would have had to hitch a ride on another culture's ships because they were NOT a seafaring society. That is indisputable. Neither were the Nubians, Libyans, and Assyrians. The Persians certainly used ships, but did they take any native Egyptians with them? The Ptolemies definitely used ships, but did they want or allow the lowly native Egyptians on them? Let's see the historical or archaeological records.
Did they go to Rome after its annexation? That is more likely, but by then, Egypt was no longer a kingdom, its culture, glory, and riches becoming a memory buried by the burning sands.
Okay. Enough. This is straying too far from Playmobil. The bottom line is everyone is free to make their own Playmobil world, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with mixing Romans, Egyptians, pirates, knights, cowboys, space aliens, and fireman all in the same milieu as long as they are having fun doing it. That's what Playmobil is all about: letting the imagination run wild!
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Thanks for the complements. I hope these are useful to you, Skypurr.
Playmofire, that's a very interesting find. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. :)
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Klickus, again you are over simplyfiyng things.
Sure there was Greek writing on egyptian temples. Go look for yourself, as I did. Furthermore Hieroglyphs on temples were in the official ritual writing. These hieroglyphs were not used in daily life. They used demotic writing for daily use. And for daily use, in ptolemeaic times, greek was also used. Or are you not familiar with the Rosetta stone? It is in Hieroglyphs (official writing), demotic and greek and it is from the ptolemaic era.
As for seafaring, there is a nice book on Egyptian seafaring:
Cedar, Frankincense and Spoils of War: Seafaring in Ancient Egypt"
For release: March 2, 2010
For press information, contact the Institute of Egyptian Art and Archaeology, 901/678-2555
And an tv show and exhibit in the Cairo museum of archeology:
http://allaboutegypt.org/2010/01/exhibit-and-tv-show-about-seafaring-in-ancient-egypt/
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@ Klickus and Ali
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! :egypt:
@ everyone else, you bring your beers and I'll provide the popcorn. :munch:
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@ Klickus and Ali
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! :egypt:
@ everyone else, you bring your beers and I'll provide the popcorn. :munch:
To keep in theme: "Bring out the Arena!"
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You know, this calls for a photostory!!! An Egyptian in Rome!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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De bello playmobil ;)
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Wonderful customs Justindo, thank you for sharing them with us. I am increasingly glad that I stocked up on those Nativity sets. ;D :wave:
Thank you for those links Gordon, good reading! :wave:
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Great customs Justindo!!! :wow: Every figure has a unique thing in them!
Baden :wave:
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Klickus, again you are over simplyfiyng things.
Sure there was Greek writing on egyptian temples. Go look for yourself, as I did. Furthermore Hieroglyphs on temples were in the official ritual writing. These hieroglyphs were not used in daily life. They used demotic writing for daily use. And for daily use, in ptolemeaic times, greek was also used. Or are you not familiar with the Rosetta stone? It is in Hieroglyphs (official writing), demotic and greek and it is from the ptolemaic era.
As for seafaring, there is a nice book on Egyptian seafaring:
Cedar, Frankincense and Spoils of War: Seafaring in Ancient Egypt"
For release: March 2, 2010
For press information, contact the Institute of Egyptian Art and Archaeology, 901/678-2555
And an tv show and exhibit in the Cairo museum of archeology:
http://allaboutegypt.org/2010/01/exhibit-and-tv-show-about-seafaring-in-ancient-egypt/
No, Ali Baba, again you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I did not say that they Egyptians never went to sea. There is plenty of evidence that they obtained goods from faraway places (e.g. cedars from Lebanon). I am asserting that that was not commonplace. They could sail the oceans; they were just not as good at it as the Greeks, Phoenicians, Persian, and Romans. If you really think they are, then show me Egyptian colonies, show me historical writings by any culture that they engaged in regular extensive trade around the Mediterranean.
As for the Greek writings, remember I said that the Ptolemies (except for Cleopatra) disdained Egyptian culture. And I find it insulting that you think I am not aware of the Rosetta Stone. Your entire tone throughout this debate has been disrespectful and insulting.
Furthermore, this evades the original hypothesis that Egyptians could be found in Rome prior to the Roman annexation. Show me the Roman writings. Show me the Roman artwork. I'm willing to concede.
Okay. Listen. If you really want to debate this further, this is not the appropriate thread. You can start a new topic of your own in the Playfree Zone. I won't visit it, but you can start one and make all the arguments you want. You can even make more disparaging remarks about me to your heart's content.
I don't visit Playmofriends to debate history. I come here to hang out with Playmobil fans and see what they are doing. I don't get particular enjoyment from debates. I find them odious, trivial, and definitely not fun.
I'll tell you what. I'll let you have the parting shot in this debate. I will not respond so you can have the last word. That way, you can move on as I am about to do...
Hey Justindo, I love your customs! Very impressive! :wow:
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Furthermore, this evades the original hypothesis that Egyptians could be found in Rome prior to the Roman annexation. Show me the Roman writings. Show me the Roman artwork. I'm willing to concede.
I think things are getting unnecessarily heated here, without blaming any one of you. Remember, discussion through the written word is much more open to misunderstanding than discussion face to face.
I made the suggestion about using the Egyptian figures and playmo1989 queried whether there would have been Egyptians in Rome. This was my answer:
Egypt was a Roman province from 30BC so it seems likely that some Egyptians would have been in Rome and there were arenas in foreign cities as well as Rome itself.
playmo1989 suggested that if there were, they would be slaves, to which I replied:
I would have thought that there might be Egyptians in Rome both as, for example, foreign traders and as slaves.
Nowhere did I suggest that the interchange between Rome and Egypt occurred before 30 BC or before Egypt became a Roman province or before Rome became an Empire (I'm no Roman expert!). I did point out that there were arenas in areas of the Empire other than Rome, including Egypt I imagine.
Looking through KM's posts and Gis's posts both agree that there might be Egyptians in Rome during the later stages of the Roman Empire, although there probably wouldn't be a lot of them, but not during earlier periods, so the discussion has really got lost a bit (like this post, maybe) in where it's going, so let's all shake hands and step back.
(PS: And I suspect that I'm going to regret this post. :()
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I'm beginning to think that I shouldn't have bought that arena :-[ >:D 8} :o ;D
Elaine
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(http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/6/6/10/baldthar/f_grpn4lbmm_b817adf.jpg) (http://imagefra.me/)
Excuse me kind sir, I am new to you beautiful city! Can you direct me to the Colosseum please? .....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (I told you it would make a great photo story!!!) :D :D :D
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where is this hat from that the pharow wears??
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This is the Double Crown of Egypt, or the Pschent...Egypt was divided in two kingdoms... The Upper and Lower Egypt... When the two kingdoms were unified, the two crowns were also unified, (Upper Egypt White Crown and Lower Egypt Red Crown) so that the Pharaoh would wear it!
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Perhaps you'd like to modify you post Alex so that it shows no picture? It might be annoying for some to see the picture three times... ;)
This is the Double Crown of Egypt, or the Pschent...Egypt was divided in two kingdoms... The Upper and Lower Egypt... When the two kingdoms were unified, the two crowns were also unified, (Upper Egypt White Crown and Lower Egypt Red Crown) so that the Pharaoh would wear it!
yes but from which set is it?
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yes but from which set is it?
Oh right!! Its from 4243 - Pharaoh’s Temple (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4243)
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yes i not thought of that !!!!!!
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Klickus,
I'm really sorry if I have offended you. I was indeed trying to have a debate, but based on rational arguments and facts, not on insinuations, stuff between the lines or blows below the belt.
I enjoy such debates. I thought we were having one in good understanding. After all, you started disagreeing with me.
I also thought it might be enjoyable for others to read.
I didn't mean anything by my question about the Rosetta stone. Many people do not know what it really is (and a lot of people think Rosetta is in Italy). I didn't ask wether you knew it or if you were aware of it, but wether you were FAMILIAR with it, meaning what it really is, means and the story behind it. That is all. It was not intended to make fun of you or to p&^& you off. I never thought you hadn't heard of it.
You are reading more between the lines than I have put there. Again I am truly sorry if that offended you.
Playmofire, thanks for the wise words and extinguishing this discussion.
@ the rest, that is the best pharao, in my opinion. It's better than the one from the chariot. And think the one that comes with the pyramid (with the Tutankhamun headdress) just hasn't got it.
@ justindo: very nice customs indeed. Very inspiring, as I intend to make some customs myself from that same era and setting
@ Elaine: don't worry about the arena. Just be carefull you put just enough but not too many Egyptions in then, before you take pictures of it for this forum. :)
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@ Klickus and Ali
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! :egypt:
@ everyone else, you bring your beers and I'll provide the popcorn. :munch:
Reminds me of the Arrizo versus Timotheos rumble(flame war) of a couple of years ago :lol:
Abbot Hamilton
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:doh: :doh: :doh:
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I hope you find some good women to watch in your collesium. :)
But I seem to be remembering something from a long time ago...
Something I read in a book, it might be complete fiction ::)
But I seem to recall that women were not allowed in the collesium!
Due to "man-ly" reasons and some thing about women "not appreciating" it or something... ???
Just seem to remember that women were not allowed in.
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I hope you find some good women to watch in your collesium. :)
But I seem to be remembering something from a long time ago...
Something I read in a book, it might be complete fiction ::)
But I seem to recall that women were not allowed in the collesium!
Due to "man-ly" reasons and some thing about women "not appreciating" it or something... ???
Just seem to remember that women were not allowed in.
I had a book ("Those about to die" I think it was titled) which had the opposite view and said women became very excited and involved in the games - the bloodier the better!
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I think I'll forget history and just put in any kllcky that comes to hand - perhaps a few Victorian ladies would enjoy all the blood and gore.... ;D >:D ;D
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Maybe you will just want to race chariots. :klickygrin:
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Roman women loved the coliseum, especially the gladiators. ;)
I wasn't satisfied with Playmobil's stock Egyptian pharaohs so I interchanged their parts to create the ones below.
The first picture is the pharaoh with his queen. The second picture is of the pharaoh with his two sons flanking him. The third picture has, from left to right, the pharaoh's elder son's wife, the pharaoh's elder son, the pharaoh, the queen, the pharaoh's younger son, and two high priests.
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Very nice changes Justindo!! I love the high priests!!!
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Something I read in a book, it might be complete fiction ::)
But I seem to recall that women were not allowed in the collesium!
in ancient greece women were not allowed to do anything only be in the house and raise children and to go out of the house they had to be with a man of the house husband brother son and offcourse they were not alloud to go to the olympics etc.. i think it was the same on rome or not??
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in ancient greece women were not allowed to do anything only be in the house and raise children and to go out of the house they had to be with a man of the house husband brother son and offcourse they were not alloud to go to the olympics etc.. i think it was the same on rome or not??
Oh no, you are right!
It was ancient Greece i was thinking of! :doh:
Thanks Palymo1989! :)
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St Mary from Xmas set 3996 is agood female klicky of that era i reckon... :)