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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: Feather on January 08, 2010, 02:15:34
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Hi there :wave:
Ok... this may sound silly to most of you guys but I can't find definition nor figure out what the terms MINT and MIP mean. All I can link it with is when something is in a box or bag and has not been opened... but my understanding is still too vague for me.
Would someone enlighten this French speaking new collector please? :yup:
And if there are other terms you guys might think a new comer could find useful, could you mention them as well?
Thank you :)
Feather
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MIP = Mint In Package, same as mint in sealed box
Mint = Pristine, like new, excellent condition
MIB = Mint In Box, should be in factory sealed box
EUC = Excellent Used Condition, little evident wear, but used played with condition
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You might encounter
CBTOD - chewed by toddler or dog
SLAAT - smells like an ashtray
POOFTHD - picture out of focus to hide damage
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;) Adj. 1. mint - as if new; "in mint condition"
perfect - being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish; "a perfect circle"; "a perfect reproduction"; "perfect happiness"; "perfect manners"; "a perfect specimen"; "a perfect day"
:) there is also BNIB, brand new in box.
i have a different view from bill and don't see that this definition implies that the box should be sealed.
for this to happen it should say brand new in an unopenned box.
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As Bill said, note that Mint doesn't refer to any packaging. Double check MIB it can also mean Mint in Bag instead of Box.
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As Bill said, note that Mint doesn't refer to any packaging. Double check MIB it can also mean Mint in Bag instead of Box.
You are correct, I forgot that situation :-[! Then there is MOC = Mint On Card 8}. NRFB = Never Removed From Box/Bag. Plus I've noticed some sellers that are saying NEW, Never used, but in the picture the item has had some of its decals installed, & is missing its accessories, how is that considered new ????
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:) there is also BNIB, brand new in box.
i have a different view from bill and don't see that this definition implies that the box should be sealed.
for this to happen it should say brand new in an unopenned box.[/font]
A good point :)9! Sellers are using very loose terms now, & I don't approve of the single small pictures showing the item! To me it seems to be a chance to be taken advantage of >:(!
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You might encounter
CBTOD - chewed by toddler or dog
SLAAT - smells like an ashtray
POOFTHD - picture out of focus to hide damage
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Hi Feather :wave:
I do not know what auction site you are using but on Ebay there is an area under "Description" - "Item Specifics" that looks like it requires a seller to select a "condition" as being "new" or "used"
Going on what a seller uses for terms can be quite misleading and unfortunatly many seller know this. They seem to use it as a means of driving their prices up.
Here is what is says inside Ebay
Often times we see initials used in Ebay titles and descriptions when describing Vintage TOYS and DOLLS. This is what they mean: MIB: 'Mint in the Box' means this item is in MINT condition and in its original box.
# NIB: 'New in the Box' means the item looks the way it did when it came from the factory, and more than likely never played with.
# NRFB: 'Never Removed From the Box' means the item has never been taken out of the original box, thus never handled.
# NOS: 'New Old Stock' generally refers to a 'lot' or 'bulk' items that have been discovered tucked away from an old store or business. Generally these items are in their original packaging which generally has 'shelf dust,' but the actual item has been protected.
# MIBS: There is NO such initial description as MIBS when referring to antiques and collectibles. MIBS is a error/mistake that obviously was made while someone was listing on Ebay. Actually the correct term is MIB, not MIBS. So often sellers copy/follow others when listing, and the mistake has been repeated. To be a knowledgeable seller, use the term MIB, not MIBS.
Hopefully this has shed some light on some of the 'mystery' initials used on Ebay and other sites. If this has been helpful, please vote YES. Thank you.
and just remember
WHAT YOU CANNOT SAY:
This is a common one and perhaps the biggest mistake of all as sellers may really believe this:
"Insurance is offered on all my auctions, if you do not take it I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR GOODS LOST OR BROKEN IN THE MAIL"
Guess what, chances are YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE, especially if you take paypal. Write it in your auctions all you want; if a buyer pays with paypal and gets a broken item or no item at all, they can make a claim with paypal and more often than not , they will win. If you ship with delivery confirmation and buyer claims item did not arrive but DC shows it did, you may be okay, but if you have no proof that they got their item (and a shipping receipt from your local Post Office is not proof) you will lose. The biggest lesson all sellers should learn:
Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
PS: Very funny Martin :lol: what is the term for unidentified odors ? :hmm:
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WHAT YOU CANNOT SAY:
This is a common one and perhaps the biggest mistake of all as sellers may really believe this:
"Insurance is offered on all my auctions, if you do not take it I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR GOODS LOST OR BROKEN IN THE MAIL"
Guess what, chances are YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE, especially if you take paypal. Write it in your auctions all you want; if a buyer pays with paypal and gets a broken item or no item at all, they can make a claim with paypal and more often than not , they will win. If you ship with delivery confirmation and buyer claims item did not arrive but DC shows it did, you may be okay, but if you have no proof that they got their item (and a shipping receipt from your local Post Office is not proof) you will lose. The biggest lesson all sellers should learn:
Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
You are correct Ras! Sellers that try to make additional profit through shipping without protecting themselves with delivery confirmation or a higher level of shipping method are at risk if something goes wrong, even if it states in the auction they are not! For example, the auction states $15.00 for shipping an item, but when the item is received, there is a label confirming an actual $6.00 was spent to ship it! Pay Pal insures up to $2000.00 on items if their services are used protecting the buyer & seller, & if there is an investigation conducted they use both sides evidence to make a fair analysis.
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In Playmobil Collector, the following descriptions are used:
MISB/MISP - mint in sealed box or package
NRFB - never removed from box
The package was never opened and is, for example, still shrink wrapped or sealed with the original adhesive tape
MIMB/MIMP - mint in mint box or package
Both the item and opened box are in perfect condition. All parts are included.
MIB/MIP - mint in box or package
The object is in perfect condition with the box/package. All accessories are included. There is no information on the condition of the package and it may well be defective.
LOOSE - the item is loose and in a perfect condition but is missing the box. All parts are included.
From Playmobil Collector volume 3, page 110
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This is a very useful topic, especially for people who are just starting to buy from ebay. :)
I've never seen EUC before. I wonder if that is only used in the US?
When I see a set described as "loose" I never immediately assume all the parts are in perfect condition or that everything is included. I think that is not an entirely accurate description given in the Collector book.
I like your suggested terms, Martin. If only the sellers would use those ones where necessary, it might save us all a lot of bother. ;D
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BEWARE :0! Even if the auction says MISB, NRFB, you are taking risks as I found out when winning an auction a while back on eBay :o! The title claimed that a set #5721 was MISB, & it appeared that way when I received it! But much later when I opened it to be assembled, & it was sealed with hot glue just as from the factory, I found that there were items missing, it had been previously assembled with the plastic bags tore open, & the flag at the front of the Zodiac boat was broke off at the base of the mount! I was horrified to think other items I had won over time that were still stored away as I had originally received them, may not be MISB, NRFB as listed! Now keep in mind I have not had problems like this before, but on high dollar items like my 3551 fishing trawler that I paid mega bucks for :-[, you get worried now of whether to break the tape or defeat the hot glue seals & open items like it to check, or leave them what you would consider MISB ???? Are they as presented? Do you open them to check? :hmm:
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Over the past few months I have had a LOT of experience with ebay and Playmobil. I have done some selling and some buying. Personally, I use MISB when describing items that have never been opened AND the box itself is in MINT condition. When the box itself is damaged, I use MIB, show pictures of the damage and stress that it has never been opened. If the box has been opened but the contents are 100% I use NIB and again, post photos and accurate description.
Be VERY careful when the seller says 99% complete. More often than not, the set is missing substantial parts or has other parts substituted. Make sure there is a list of all included parts or missing parts and ask the seller for an inventory. Sometimes the seller is not a fanatic - as we all are here - and doesn't really know the set inventory so do the research yourself! Another frequent claim is "never been played with" - don't assume it's 100% complete just because it's "never been played with" - I have the small Victorian house that was basically looked at, partially assembled, and put immediately back in the box but when I went to inventory the set, one piece was missing!
There are some sellers out there that you really need to be careful with.... If a "stock" photo is used, ask the seller for pics of the actual item you are bidding on... also, be very careful with sellers who offer a bunch of sets all at once. Some of the Playmofriends have noted weird goings on!
I, myself, am curious about the people who sell set after set without boxes but claim they are new in original playmobil packaging [most often seen in the Victorian listings]. How do they come by 5 of the same set without the boxes and still in original packaging??????
Regarding shipping, I have had two odd experiences as a seller. I sold a huge lot of display sets and forgot to put one of the boxes in the original shipment. Being the ADD person that I am, I packed up the loose set, took it to the post office mailed it with delivery confirmation and forgot about it. Needless to say, the piece got lost and I lost the delivery confirmation slip. I offered the buyer compensation but it ended up being escalated and he filed a claim. Long story short, he wanted a refund on the ENTIRE purchase - Paypal sided with me because he refused to send back the parcels he did receive but it was a very big pain in the :hehe:!! On December 5th, I sent a parcel to Mexico - it has travelled far and wide and to this day has not arrived at its' intended location...from Ohio to Mexico via AUSTRALIA ???
Anyway, ask the seller for the package specifics - dimensions and weight - and go to USPS and find what it SHOULD cost. If it is an expensive item I add a handling charge that covers the insurance -never more than $5.00 domestic and $10.00 international.
The majority of sellers are honest folk but there are some real pieces of work out there too!
Bottom line is: ASK QUESTIONS! If the seller doesn't respond - watch out!
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There are some sellers out there that you really need to be careful with.... If a "stock" photo is used, ask the seller for pics of the actual item you are bidding on... also, be very careful with sellers who offer a bunch of sets all at once. Some of the Playmofriends have noted weird goings on!
I, myself, am curious about the people who sell set after set without boxes but claim they are new in original playmobil packaging [most often seen in the Victorian listings]. How do they come by 5 of the same set without the boxes and still in original packaging??????
Hi Annie :wave:
I too wonder about these sellers who have what seems dozens of one set with out the box. They claim the items are in the bag but where did the box go ? Some are from Mexico and they have some old Victorian sets :hmm: They list them as new and have a picture showing the lack of a box
Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
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Very good tips, Reylocann. :)9
On December 5th, I sent a parcel to Mexico - it has travelled far and wide and to this day has not arrived at its' intended location...from Ohio to Mexico via AUSTRALIA ???
That would not surprise me. ;) I once sent a small airmail package of Playmobil accessories to a buyer in the US. After several weeks it had failed to reach him and we were both certain that it had got completely lost. So I sent off another one to replace the missing package, and lo and behold - the first one finally arrives. You'll never guess where it had been sent to by accident. Bangkok, of all places! I could understand this might happen if the address was handwritten and illegible, but I always use PayPal to print my labels. ::)
Anyway, I thought it was very nice of the Bangkok PO to redirect the package to its correct destination. I'm sure that some post offices don't bother. Otherwise why do so many correctly addressed packages go missing? :eh?:
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Wow... I never thought there would be so many answers... and so many acronyms!!!
Thank you so much for all of your inputs. :) Now I have to study and learn some vocabulary lol
Feather