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Creative => How-To => Topic started by: Richard on June 22, 2009, 01:23:36
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ADULTS ONLY
Geobra has suggested that any customizing that might be dangerous for children should not be made public. Most of us probably agree with that idea.
Andi has some great information about restoring white Playmobil parts. Bill has some customizing tips using "dangerous" tools. And, what about all the many other things that we could share to help each other with customizing, maintenance and repair? Things that we may not want to post for fear of putting some youngster at risk?
Therefore, how about making the How-To section of Playmofriends a "restricted" area for our adult customizers? And, for members who have been here for the same length of time that it takes for newcomers to see the PFZ?
Comments?
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This is an excellent recommendation Richard! It could prove to be a helpful resource for the adults only sector of this forum! Although I would hate to restrict the present "how to" topic section up to now, may I suggest that there be a new xxx how to board for future customizing restoration, refurbish procedures with no restrictions? The old board could be left intact for harmless hints that anyone can benefit from, but when there are hazardous chemicals, power tools, spray painting, heat sources, cutting, sharp knives, saws, dynamite, explosives, gruesome Klicky dismemberment, or any other extreme customization procedures involved like on Myth Busters as they are constantly reminding people "we are professionals, don't try this @ home!", the "xxx how to board", just kidding :lol:, would be put to use!
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I think Bill's refinement of Richard's idea is a good one. I vote to make it so.
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good idea
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On the face of it, it is a very good idea... but it does pose some administrative problems. You knew there was going to be a "but," right? ;)
Firstly, I would have to manually put all members under 18 into a separate membergroup in order to restrict their access to the new board. At the moment, there are no such delineations based on age.
Secondly, I don't know who is under 18 because people are not required to put their birthdate when they join. They only need to confirm that they are over 13 years old by ticking the box.
A way around this might be to add yet another required field to the membership form, but even then there is no way to force people to fill it in. I would probably be constantly chasing people who missed out the question to confirm their age before letting them in. (I already do a lot of "chasing" for other missed questions, so I'm being realistic here rather than pessimistic.)
Another way is to raise the minimum age for all new members to 18. Those child members who are already known to us would not be thrown out, of course. But I would still have to put them into a different group to make the "Adults Only" board invisible to them. Another difficulty here is not knowing exactly when the child members will turn 18. I would have to wait for them to ask me for access to the restricted board because there is no way to make that automatic.
Btw, the PFZ is visible as soon as people have completed registration and had their accounts activated. There is no minimum post count required in order to access that board.
It's the "Shopping & Auctions" board which is not visible to all members immediately. You need to have 25 posts in order to access it:
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.0 (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.0)
The simplest way to restrict access by board is to base it on post count. Maybe it would be better to make the new board a VIP area which can only be reached after several hundred posts? I really must stress that the one thing we don't want to do is make it an 'anything goes' board. I would still insist that all basic guidelines on posting content and behaviour are met, regardless of whether the area is invisible to younger members.
It's likely a heavily restricted board will cause a rift between those who are allowed to see it and those who are not. For example, if someone was to reference information in the hidden area back in the public zone, the ones who can't go and read it for themselves might feel that they are being discriminated against.
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I think this is nothing more than a slight overreaction to Playmobil's new 'suggestions' on how they would rather Playmobil be used, rather than real concern's about children hurting themsleves customising Playmobil. I think some people feel a bit put out because Geobra have dared 'suggest' how we might use their toy. After all what we seem to forget that first and foremost this is a toy, a toy designed for children. Its ashame that some adult collectors have got to the stage where they think Playmobil is just for them and thats ashame. Geobra allready go out their way to accomodate us as adult collectors.
Tim
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So Geobra has lost touch with the real world as we all know that most kids are customizing at some stage in order to take the fun further :yup:...
Have we not all repainted model cars, exchanged one head for another, cut through miles of cardboard boxes or polysterene...and as far as I can remember, I was using cutters and cissors and never hurt myself.
The only time it really happened was when the girl of my dreams - I was 7 - passed in front of my kitchen window and I managed to stapple my thumb :(which was a pain quite similar to removing the electrodes from Bill's hairy chest version of G. Clooney :lol:!!!
Karim :)
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... I think this is nothing more than a slight overreaction to Playmobil's new 'suggestions' on how they would rather Playmobil be used, rather than real concern's about children hurting themsleves customising Playmobil. ...
I agree with you Tim.
I think that after the Biblical Playmobil site was opened some Legal questions were raised and in selfdefence Geobra was forced to put this up. That's all.
I think it's actually wonderfull that Geobra took the extra effort to make exceptions for the fans... They could just as easily made the point that in their opinion it shouldn't be tempered with it all. (Or is that "tampered" ???)
So ... that's my own 0.02 worth and it's my final say on this as well. I am not going to let something like this spoil my pleasure with a child's toy.
Bogro
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but it is sort-of related, if only indirectly since part of the article concerns the selling of customized figures (which were apparently constructed from stolen parts).
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090616/local/reassembled-playmobil-figures-projected-violent-image
The figures in question were also of a macabre nature, so it puts a different spin on it, but it does prove that Geobra are giving the whole customization process very serious thought.
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On the face of it, it is a very good idea... but it does pose some administrative problems. You knew there was going to be a "but," right? ;)
Oooops !!! ... 0)
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I think you are quite deft with the can opener at times Richard :lol:. I think all that Geobra are trying to do is cover their backs, and to a certain extent enforce a code of conduct that most adult collectors will agree to adhere to. Unfortunately its a case of the minority giving us all a bad name again, but I think Geobra are wise enough to see we aren't all as bad. I was thinking along the lines of Sylvia after my first post and agree that there are certain macabre/sexually explicit elements to some custom's which cause problems and Geobra and the rest of us quite rightly want to distance ourselves from that. I don't see any issues with any of the content posted on Playmofriends or any other Playmo related forums. I thinks its the fetid pit that is ebay where most issues lie.
In the end I think it is up to us as a community to educate people in the correct way to customise klickies safely and correctly. Shutting children out of the customising forum isnt going to help, its just going to distance us from the very reason Playmobil exists in the first place. In the end children will be children and they will start taking things apart and trying to make their own using whatever means available. It is up to the parents to a certain extent to supervise this type of play, but if we are more child friendly or bare children in mind when we explain our techniques whats the harm ? As I said before its a child's toy first and foremost.
Tim :wave:
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I am against people under 18 rule, as most of you that know me guessed :-[
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As an after thought, i have had many customs with glueing and cutting, and paints with chemicals in them, and i'm not dead yet, ;D so... thats my view :(o):
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I think that all PF needs to do is to show it has taken reasonable steps to "protect" children against the dangers of some methods of customising and this can be achieved by one or both of two ways - a paragraph in the rules of the board (I can't remember, but I assume that would be members have to agree to accept these) and a warning sticky in the How To forum. I wouldn't want to see membership limited to 18 and over.
I've edited the last sentence so it makes sense!
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As an after thought, i have had many customs with glueing and cutting, and paints with chemicals in them, and i'm not dead yet, ;D so... thats my view :(o):
And, we all want to be sure that you stay alive, Conor !!!
And, none of us would ever want you to be injured !!!
We would all be very upset, Conor, if any of us suggested something that you tried which resulted in your seriously hurting yourself. It's you and your sister that we want to protect !!!
So, don't tell us that you play with glue, chemicals and sharp objects to try to make us feel comfortable. When you're here at Playmofriends, most of us feel a bit responsible for your well being.
Neither Andi's recipe for restoring white Playmobil that had yellowed nor Bill's customizing techniques will be posted here for you and Aine to see. Why? Because we care about you both !!!
And, what does that mean? It means that the older Playmofriends will either email or send private messages to each other, as we currently have no place to post this kind of information. No place that makes us feel comfortable.
Conor, if you don't know now why we feel responsible for you and your sister, I can only repeat what you've probably already heard too many times, "Someday, this will all make sense to you." ... ;)
All the best,
Richard
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Neither Andi's recipe for restoring white Playmobil that had yellowed nor Bill's customizing techniques will be posted here for you and Aine to see. Why? Because we care about you both !!!
And, what does that mean? It means that the older Playmofriends will either email or send private messages to each other, as we currently have no place to post this kind of information. No place that makes us feel comfortable.
It would be very disappointing indeed if certain members carried out a boycot on the customising forum and in my opinion a major overreaction. I will not be party to an exclusive club who PM or email each other to privately to discuss techniques, its not what this is about. Infact I am quite saddened that it has got this far allready.
If you were trying to be patronising towards Connor then you did a fine job Richard, give yourself another pat on the back. I think most adult members have enough common sense to decide what would be safe for children and what's not. Richard you have clearly failed to read what I posted previously or you chose to ignore it again because it doesn't fit in with your views, so I will go over it again.
Most children's play and internet use should be supervised by adults anyway, especially children under 16. A lot of the children who come here have parents who are adult collectors themselves, so they know what content is being posted and what their children are viewing. They are also able to decide wether their child is capable of carrying out any techniques shown safely. In the end its up to us to make sure anything we post is suitably safe for children, that we clearly explain the techniques used and tools needed. I think this is all Geobra had in mind when they created their guidelines, which afterall are just guidelines. I am sure most children won't be able to get their hands on some of the materials and tools needed for customising anyway.
All in all I think Gordon has come up with the best suggestion yet. A little disclaimer in the terms and conditions which anyone who wants to join the forums has to agree to. Short of banning children or scrapping the how to sections all together this seems like the only sensible option.
On a final note Richard you appear to be very disillusioned with Playmobil and Geobra. I noticed this change in you when Hans Beck retired. I think you need to take a deep breath and step back, look at why your here and what you are writing. If have lost faith with Geobra and Playmobil as a brand then why are you here? Perhaps you just like to get your can opener out from time to time, stir the rest of us up by taking pot shots at the brand and company we still love?
Tim :wave:
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If you were trying to be patronising towards Connor then you did a fine job Richard, give yourself another pat on the back.
Seawarrior spells his name with one "n" ... It's Conor.
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Seawarrior spells his name with one "n" ... It's Conor.
thank you i was about to say that,
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I may have been one of the offenders at the start of this topic in regards to supporting a restricted board for more advanced techniques of customization. I think I need to clarify why this topic has escalated into such divided sides. The idea I feel was a result of Playmobil's recent clarification on their European sites stating their stand on unsafe procedures involving figure modification, like heating the figures arms, & legs which they consider deformation, & even though not showing how these methods are accomplished, said they would continue to request anyone publically displaying these figures would be asked to voluntarily remove them to prevent children from trying to duplicate any dangerous methods, & possibly becoming injured during the procedure. It went on to speculate that they would demonstrate more aggressive means of action if the offending party would not heed their calmer recommendation. I think I understand the reason for Playmobil's announcement involving this grey area of customization being displayed on the internet, is due to legal conditions in their location that would hold them liable for any under aged children, becoming injured from such actions, but would be released from liability if evidence was submitted showing efforts to prevent nonrecommended customizing techniques. I think that covers the initial reason for Richards idea. It wasn't targeted to offend anyone due to age, but was thought up to protect Playmofriends from being reprimanded by Playmobil for discussing dangerous, or controversial customizing procedures on an open thread. I normally like to share developments with other members when I'm asked how I accomplished a radical new idea, or inquire how others have done something without fear of getting the forum in trouble! That is my explanation, as to why I supported this idea, even though it is not possible to become a reality due to technical issues. As Tim hinted to earlier, it's a shame that a child would be ignored or unsupervised to a degree of becoming injured trying to customize one of their toys, where are the parents? I say that if this happens, that the parents should be held accountable for negligence by Playmobil instead of vise versa!
Bill
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Seawarrior spells his name with one "n" ... It's Conor.
I bow my head in shame Richard :lol:, is this the only constructive thing you have to add to the debate you started ? I take it you have nothing else usefull to say on the matter, so I would say this was case closed wouldn't you ? :lol: Until the next time you get your can opener out :wave:
Tim :)
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IF, it ends up this forum will be closed, can you put like a 30 day announcement, so i can get the knowledge i need for future projects
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The current How-To board will not be closed, SW. :)
I was initially considering the possibility of having a separate board like Bill suggested where people could post techniques that might not be quite so "child-friendly," but there appears to be some opposition to that idea so I highly doubt it will be going ahead.
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:lol: ok thats good, or i was going to use a lot of printer paper!
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Besides acknowledging the administrative problems of restricting access to "adult only" customizing techniques, I strongly, STRONGLY, STRONGLY oppose any attempt to restrict access to customizing information. In my view, the finest attribute of the Playmobil line of toys is its ability to inspire creativity - the urge to customize Playmobil figures and parts is the logical extension of that and should be fully encouraged and not stifled in any way. Playmobil has the responsibility to make their toys from safe materials, to indicate the appropriate age levels, etc., but parents have the ultimate responsibility to ensure the safety of their children and that is where we draw the line. If, for example, a young child injures him/herself while using a hair dryer to soften a plastic figure, that is certainly not Geobra's responsibility - the real question is "Why are that child's parents letting him/her have access to a hairdryer?"
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This is more than completely reasonable, Anne. Even not being a parent, I can understand, and even agree.
There is a line to draw. Geobra B. seems to be "lost", sometimes, in their measures. They need more counseling, I believe.
(Not only to such issues, but to enterprise issues and line projects as well! ... They should call me to work there, once I'm unemployed ;D 8}
:-[ )
Gus
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but it is sort-of related, if only indirectly since part of the article concerns the selling of customized figures (which were apparently constructed from stolen parts).
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090616/local/reassembled-playmobil-figures-projected-violent-image
The figures in question were also of a macabre nature, so it puts a different spin on it, but it does prove that Geobra are giving the whole customization process very serious thought.
I think this is very pertinent, Sylvia, and I thank you for posting the link. Reading the article makes me wonder about the way that those parts got away from Geobra in the first place. Employing "subcontractors" to assemble the figures off-site seems to be the same as the old-fashioned idea of "piece-work" which is a way to get work done very cheaply and often involves child labor. If Geobra wants to protect the quality of their product as well as their corporate reputation they should ensure that all of their products are assembled on company property by company employees. That way there would be no "leftover" parts to be sold in the Malta marketplace.
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Besides acknowledging the administrative problems of restricting access to "adult only" customizing techniques, I strongly, STRONGLY, STRONGLY oppose any attempt to restrict access to customizing information. In my view, the finest attribute of the Playmobil line of toys is its ability to inspire creativity - the urge to customize Playmobil figures and parts is the logical extension of that and should be fully encouraged and not stifled in any way. Playmobil has the responsibility to make their toys from safe materials, to indicate the appropriate age levels, etc., but parents have the ultimate responsibility to ensure the safety of their children and that is where we draw the line. If, for example, a young child injures him/herself while using a hair dryer to soften a plastic figure, that is certainly not Geobra's responsibility - the real question is "Why are that child's parents letting him/her have access to a hairdryer?"
I agree with you to a certain point Indianna! But what spurred this topic was Playmobils cracking down on sites showing artistic design due to their liability issues originating in their own country! Playmobil states that they can be held accountable for others who don't use their toys in a proper manner, & they will pursue websites that show customizations that children may endanger themselves attempting to duplicate! It is strange for a country's laws to hold a manufacturer liable for what others do with their products after they are purchased ???! The reason I support a separate board is to protect Playmofriends from reprimands if we post extreme procedures used in customizing processes! I myself can actually show Dremel tool procedures, or work being done with razor blades, hobby knives, & even being injured while doing the procedures, blood & all, but I refrain from doing so to protect children from being exposed to them. I have a regular hair dryer, & a heat gun that produces 1500 watts that can severely burn someone, or totally melt a plastic Klicky into a blob >:D! I used to work on heavy duty trucks, so my retired high dollar tool collection is available for any project :yup:! If we had a separate restricted board for adults only, no offense to children, we could reveal our secrets using all of our tool arsenals, & tricks of the trade so to speak! The bleaching process that Andi revealed using commercial grade hydrogen peroxide, that is severely caustic, is a process I'm still interested in, but I myself was required to remove the recipe due to open thread safety reasons, because in some countries it is readily available for residential use. Some child may go in to their parents garage to try to bleach his discolored Playmobil toys after reading the procedure on this forum, & I would feel terrible if something happened to that child as a result :0! I thought I would show just 2 tool box drawer contents in my arsenal!
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I agree with you to a certain point Indianna! But what spurred this topic was Playmobils cracking down on sites showing artistic design due to their liability issues originating in their own country! Playmobil states that they can be held accountable for others who don't use their toys in a proper manner, & they will pursue websites that show customizations that children may endanger themselves attempting to duplicate! It is strange for a country's laws to hold a manufacturer liable for what others do with their products after they are purchased ???!
How will Geobra pursue these websites, especially ones outside of Germany? Are there E.U. laws that would either support or prohibit this type of action throughout Europe? It seems to me that the only thing Geobra can do to a person or website (outside of Germany, anyway) is to intimidate them. Otherwise, customizing klickies (as long as they are not represented as "original") and displaying the results, however offensive, would seem to be protected by fair use and free speech laws in most "democratic" countries.
The reason I support a separate board is to protect Playmofriends from reprimands if we post extreme procedures used in customizing processes! I myself can actually show Dremel tool procedures, or work being done with razor blades, hobby knives, & even being injured while doing the procedures, blood & all, but I refrain from doing so to protect children from being exposed to them. I have a regular hair dryer, & a heat gun that produces 1500 watts that can severely burn someone, or totally melt a plastic Klicky into a blob >:D! I used to work on heavy duty trucks, so my retired high dollar tool collection is available for any project :yup:! If we had a separate restricted board for adults only, no offense to children, we could reveal our secrets using all of our tool arsenals, & tricks of the trade so to speak! The bleaching process that Andi revealed using commercial grade hydrogen peroxide, that is severely caustic, is a process I'm still interested in, but I myself was required to remove the recipe due to open thread safety reasons, because in some countries it is readily available for residential use. Some child may go in to their parents garage to try to bleach his discolored Playmobil toys after reading the procedure on this forum, & I would feel terrible if something happened to that child as a result :0!
Bill, you are truly a good person to be concerned about the results of your actions and I believe that you are absolutely correct to decide for yourself that there are certain things that you will not post. I also believe that you would be wise to let others decide for themselves what they feel comfortable posting. As a moderator, you obviously have additional responsibility and I am grateful to you and all the other folks who take the time and make the effort to serve as mods. Having said that, however, I still believe that Andi's post should not be censored. I think that the scenario you describe of the child running to the garage with discolored klickies, while possible, is not relevant. If a child harms him/herself with commercial grade hydrogen peroxide because he/she has unsupervised access to it in his/her home, it is certainly not our fault!
Children are exposed to many things in this world that may be harmful to them and it is the responsibility of their parents and other caregivers to protect them and to educate them about how to be careful. If we kept our children away from everything that might possibly hurt them they would miss out on so much that the world has to offer. Let's also remember that the minimum age for this forum is 13 years old (as Sylvia stated earlier in this thread) so we are not talking about toddlers or pre-schoolers here!
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You've all raised very good points. :yup:
How's this for a compromise.... I can make a special section of the How-To board which is only visible to registered members (i.e. We would all have to be logged in to view it like the PFZ section).
This would mean that the only children able to read it are either members of the forum (like seawarrior and Aine) or related to members of the forum.
As members of the forum, those under 18 can post and ask questions when they are unsure about certain methods of customizing. Naturally, we can all help to steer them away from using any tools or materials that might be dangerous by putting clear warnings in those topics.
By creating an off-shoot board which is hidden to guests, we could be certain that no "unsupervised" children are reading about cleaning Playmobil using potentially harmful chemicals or anything else of a similar nature.
It's important to note that while we do not usually permit children under 13 years to join PF, that doesn't prevent younger unregistered children from reading the boards.
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Let's give it a try Sylvia! It may be a good idea to have a permenant subtitle on the developing board stating to use caution, & that Playmofriends is exempt from any liabilities concerning procedures contained in that board, & Playmofriends endorses any precautions possible to promote safe customizing standards for any reader to follow! Just my recommendation :-[!
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How will Geobra pursue these websites, especially ones outside of Germany? Are there E.U. laws that would either support or prohibit this type of action throughout Europe? It seems to me that the only thing Geobra can do to a person or website (outside of Germany, anyway) is to intimidate them. Otherwise, customizing klickies (as long as they are not represented as "original") and displaying the results, however offensive, would seem to be protected by fair use and free speech laws in most "democratic" countries.
Bill, you are truly a good person to be concerned about the results of your actions and I believe that you are absolutely correct to decide for yourself that there are certain things that you will not post. I also believe that you would be wise to let others decide for themselves what they feel comfortable posting. As a moderator, you obviously have additional responsibility and I am grateful to you and all the other folks who take the time and make the effort to serve as mods. Having said that, however, I still believe that Andi's post should not be censored. I think that the scenario you describe of the child running to the garage with discolored klickies, while possible, is not relevant. If a child harms him/herself with commercial grade hydrogen peroxide because he/she has unsupervised access to it in his/her home, it is certainly not our fault!
Children are exposed to many things in this world that may be harmful to them and it is the responsibility of their parents and other caregivers to protect them and to educate them about how to be careful. If we kept our children away from everything that might possibly hurt them they would miss out on so much that the world has to offer. Let's also remember that the minimum age for this forum is 13 years old (as Sylvia stated earlier in this thread) so we are not talking about toddlers or pre-schoolers here!
Thank you Indianna for your kind words! I have to admit that it is a natural instinct for me to live up to my given name of William meaning protector! I would be lying if I said I didn't care if someone got injured of something went drastically wrong due to something read on this forum due to language translation problems, or ignorance, because I spent much of my younger life volunteering to help people in the worst times of their lives, & working desperately to change a life altering event! Please be sure to make decisions carefully, because sometimes the results can't be taken back!
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. . . . Please be sure to make decisions carefully, because sometimes the results can't be taken back!
So true and also applicable to more than just our current discussion! :yup:
How's this for a compromise.... I can make a special section of the How-To board which is only visible to registered members (i.e. We would all have to be logged in to view it like the PFZ section).
This would mean that the only children able to read it are either members of the forum (like seawarrior and Aine) or related to members of the forum.
Sounds like an excellent solution! :)
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I think Sylvia's idea is the most reasonable compromise to resolve this issue.
It's a shame that companies are so afraid these days of lawsuits. There used to be a time when people took responsibility for their own actions and for their own childrearing. What has happened? Argh! >:(
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I think Sylvia's suggestion is the best compromise and I would be happy if this was to happen.
Tim :wave:
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Thank you Anne for your strong and wise argumentation
Your words may be usefull If my site gets under attack by Playmobil
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I think Sylvia's idea is the way to go.
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Glad this meets with approval of so many! :)
I have gone ahead and made the new board:
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?board=36.0
I have made it a "child board" of How-To since the subject matter is so closely related.
If you post any tips on the new board, please remember to give adequate safety warnings.
I have written a warning message and stickied it at the top of that board. I hope the disclaimer is worded clearly enough. If you think I should add anything more to the sticky, please let me know.
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Thanks Sylvia! :*)
This is a good solution and, in my opinion, your sticky explanation is perfect. I have one small suggestion: perhaps we should call it a "sub" board or some other term because calling it a "child" board can sound like it is a place for children (that was my thought before I read the explanation) and this may have the opposite effect from the one we want. Just a thought. :)
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I have one small suggestion: perhaps we should call it a "sub" board or some other term because calling it a "child" board can sound like it is a place for children (that was my thought before I read the explanation) and this may have the opposite effect from the one we want. Just a thought. :)
You're quite right. It does sound rather contradictory in this situation. ;D
"Child board" is the terminology used by Simple Machines in the admin section. When I create a new board I have to put in a location. The options are "before," "after," or "child of." It has nothing to do with being a board created for the sole use of children, of course. ;)
We did have a few other sub-boards at one time but they were merged into larger ones to make them more visible. That was before we updated. The layout of the forum is better now as the sub-board has its own separate panel whereas before it would have appeared as a small text link tacked underneath a main heading.
I don't know if I can change the wording on the index to something else other than "Child Board," but I'll look into it.
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I don't know if I can change the wording on the index to something else other than "Child Board," but I'll look into it.
I found the file and edited it. :)9
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Hm, I wonder if we also have to move "instructions" how to remove hairs in the adults-only-section, because I remember very well when being a child I got hurt when changed hairs of the figures not only once (when the jagged edge of the hairpice hurts my mail bed and it began to blood), or the instructions for disassembling the figures (because displaying figures with changed bodypieces requires a method of disassembling the figure and I got more than once injured when using the "Hands on Method" resulting in bloody phalanges) ... (call me stupid for doing so but that's the truth)
No critisism to the found solution (!), but just wondering about how strange the world becomes more and more with all its regulations and "cover my *** tactics" ...
It is strange for a country's laws to hold a manufacturer liable for what others do with their products after they are purchased ???!
Is this really true for Germany? I really wonder (no sarcasm). Never heard about such a thing. Does anybody have more detailed information about? (e.g. the concrete law etc.)
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Thanks Sylvia! :*)
This is a good solution and, in my opinion, your sticky explanation is perfect. I have one small suggestion: perhaps we should call it a "sub" board or some other term because calling it a "child" board can sound like it is a place for children (that was my thought before I read the explanation) and this may have the opposite effect from the one we want. Just a thought. :)
You're quite right. It does sound rather contradictory in this situation. ;D
"Child board" is the terminology used by Simple Machines in the admin section. When I create a new board I have to put in a location. The options are "before," "after," or "child of." It has nothing to do with being a board created for the sole use of children, of course. ;)
We did have a few other sub-boards at one time but they were merged into larger ones to make them more visible. That was before we updated. The layout of the forum is better now as the sub-board has its own separate panel whereas before it would have appeared as a small text link tacked underneath a main heading.
I don't know if I can change the wording on the index to something else other than "Child Board," but I'll look into it.
Hi Sylvia!
I am bumping this topic up because the phrase "child board" seems to have resurfaced on the forum main menu - perhaps it defaulted back to that terminology when other changes were made? Anyway, I thought I ought to let you know. :elf:
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Thanks, Anne. :)
I hadn't noticed that. It is rather odd. ???
I edited some files recently and have probably somehow overwritten a previous edit.
I'll have to look into it and fix it back to how it was before. :)9
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I think thats a great idea about what everyone said!!
Baden :)