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Creative => How-To => Topic started by: starhorse on September 29, 2008, 21:39:01

Title: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: starhorse on September 29, 2008, 21:39:01
Hi Friends,

I'm interested in making some sort of Medieval Tavern using steck.  I'll most likely use tudor style housing pieces for the outside.  I was wondering if you might have suggestions for the interior (or exterior).  I was trying to think of what I could use for the bar counter.  It doesn't seem like the western saloon counter would look quite right.

Also maybe someone could point me to some images of similar customs someone has already done?  I've searched around but can't seem to find any custom taverns.

Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Playmofool on September 30, 2008, 07:49:53
I haven't got picturs, but I remember people using 2 or 3 of the

30 25 2250 - Boat docks, wooden, L-shaped (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-25-2250)

to make a counter customized to fit their tavern.....

Of course that inculded some saw-work but the results were pretty convincing.

For the base I think it could also have been the parts from the tournament sets, like

30 24 8880 - Jousting wall (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-24-8880)

Maybe you could use those as well, but as I've already said: Sorry, no pictures except for those in my head.

PF
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Martin Milner on September 30, 2008, 11:25:03
I'm wondering why the western bar wouldn't be OK. Counters served much the same function then as now, is it just the style?

There's an episode of Brother Cadfael called St Peter's Fair with one scene in a tavern - I could take a look tonight and see what the counter looks like. The series is set in Shrewsbury on the English-Welsh border in the 1140s.
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: starhorse on September 30, 2008, 14:37:27
Those are intriguing ideas Playmofool.  Thanks for that.

Quote from: Martin Milner on September 30, 2008, 11:25:03
I'm wondering why the western bar wouldn't be OK. Counters served much the same function then as now, is it just the style?

Martin, I was thinking that the overall design might be a bit to fancy for a rustic old tavern.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/2902151644_2ee25d48dd_t.jpg)

I honestly don't even have that piece though so it's not like I could put it in the scene and give it a try.  That's why I'm trying to get some ideas, so I can figure out what pieces I need to pick up.  :)
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: macgayver on September 30, 2008, 15:18:03
I agree with Martin

The Bar from the saloon you showing is very neutral

fits in almost any setting

from Romans to modern life

just my two cents
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: starhorse on September 30, 2008, 16:15:10
Quote from: macgayver on September 30, 2008, 15:18:03
I agree with Martin

The Bar from the saloon you showing is very neutral

fits in almost any setting

from Romans to modern life

just my two cents

Fair enough.  I guess I have to try and track the piece down or at the very least the set it's included in :)
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Martin Milner on September 30, 2008, 16:24:58
Quote from: starhorse on September 30, 2008, 16:15:10
Fair enough.  I guess I have to try and track the piece down or at the very least the set it's included in :)

I think that would fit fine if you can get one - carpentry, along with masonry, was something the medieval world excelled at. The counter isn't overtly fancy, those front panels would be well within their capabilities.
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: macgayver on September 30, 2008, 16:27:35
Quote from: starhorse on September 30, 2008, 16:15:10
Fair enough.  I guess I have to try and track the piece down or at the very least the set it's included in :)

That is what I did ,

If you like building with Steck , it has some nice steck parts in it
I until now never had the time to explore the effect from the big window a bit more but I bet it would look lovely

The Klickies included are worth it too

one of those klickies used to be an avatar from someone very wonderfull

defenitly a set to pursue

if you ask me ;)


Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gepetto on September 30, 2008, 16:35:22
I would imagine if push came to shove that barrels could be used as a base for the counter, like in the pirate set 4292.



Gepetto
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Playmofool on October 07, 2008, 19:46:09
I finally found the picture I'd talked about. It's supposed to be in 19th century Germany next to a magnificent brewery  :love:.

Still, the style could work for a medieval tavern as well .

Greeting and thanks  :wow: go to meermaid on Klickywelt. For pictures of the brewery (Brauerei) you should really have a look if you're registered and haven't seen them yet.

Maybe you feel inspired by the picture.

Playmofool
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gustavo on October 17, 2008, 13:16:12
Hello, S-h!

I think (a lot) about a tavern as well.

Do you want to build the building with the tavern within? Because I have very little playmo yet, so, my tavern will be in "little Scooby Doo house style", a little common steck house by the outside, and a scenario with the tavern inside. In a way, Sylvia & friends did that, in their "Night of the Reaper" (http://www.justforklicks.com/j4k/stories/reaper/part1/reaper01.html) (I'll try to link this later, I'm in a bit of a hurry now ...) (DONE ;D ), in Justforklicks.

About the inside, there are good ideas around. As for me, I won't be able to make a 100% playmobil bits tavern yet, so I'll try to find things around me that I can use to make it cosy enough, but it's my style ... To make it with playmobil only, the idea above of the counter could be thought to be applied as a counter. There are a lot of playmobil bits to use ... Whatever playmo-wood board, sustained by a lot or a few barrels will make a wonderful medieval counter! I'll try to make some photos, and put them here, if necessary, but I think you get the figure ;D


In touch!

Gus
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Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gustavo on October 18, 2008, 05:19:06
Here's what I had in mind, very quickly done.

I was reading it again, and found out that Gepetto had the same idea as I did, of the barrels under the counter ... It's very natural this way.

I'd like to have had a shorter scale, but couldn't find one, and this one I can't cut ... A friend gave me ::) )

The only (main) important things I didn't have in this tavern was a shelf (like in Kate's tavern (in "Night of the Reaper", attached), for glasses and goblets ...

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern001.jpg)
General view of a tavern, in Degendorf



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern002.jpg)
Lonely traveller, known by some, taking his goblet of wine ...



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern003.jpg)
Boldo isn't the owner ... Actually, the owner had to get out quickly,
because of sudden afairs, and asked him to take a look, while away ...



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern004.jpg)
Boldo's talking with a guest, Bertram, servant of one of the princes of Tapia ...



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern005.jpg)
Two Tapian foreigners, in Degendorf as well ... There's a lot of foreigners around! ... These are
one border soldier, and the Tapian Lord's main counselor ... What must they be doing in Degendorf? Hm!



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern006.jpg)
A view of the counter, from above



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern007.jpg)
Another general view



(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/Olivieri76/08a_playmobil/quick_tavern/quick_tavern008.jpg)
This instrument is usually called whenever a guest doesn't want to pay. What doesn't work out
with Boldo there, because he doesn't handle such things ... Maybe one guest or another will take profit
out of this fact ...



Gus
:blackhair:
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gustavo on October 18, 2008, 05:32:58
A couple of details, as a note


1. I forgot the mice ...

2. Tables. The more tables, according to space available, the better, for there will be as much customers as much tables you've got!

3. In certain regions of Europe, you'll wish to have more garlic, garlic all around the place; specially near doors & windows! 8}
 :lol:

4. Lots opf candlesticks and whatever food & drink you can get ... Kate's tavern has one of those old barrels with a (don't know the name ...), laid down on a proper support. It's a wonderful bit for a tavern, I think, because it can go even on the counter! :yup:


You seem wish to make an inside tavern, I believe. (You mentioned a "steck tavern" ...) The bigger you can make the room, the better, I believe. I like a lot the traditional Jagerhof Krone Inn ... however never put hands on one. It looks very useful, for a beginning, as a model of building.

(http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3448.jpg)


:blackhair:
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: playmofire on October 18, 2008, 06:27:51
Using a ruler as the counter is a great idea, Gus, and works very well.  Clearly, with a simple piece of wood of the right length and width the problem is solved.
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: macgayver on October 18, 2008, 06:33:40
lol and it is easier to order one meter Beer  ;)

nicely done

thanks for the pics
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gustavo on October 18, 2008, 14:22:55
Quote from: macgayver on October 18, 2008, 06:33:40
lol and it is easier to order one meter Beer  ;)


 :lol:
It is indeed! :lol:

(Thanks for the compliments, guys ... :) )



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Hello, Luke!

Here's the playmo wood board that I had in mind ... set 3833 (http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3833.jpg) (at Collectobil.com), also attached, the one being cut (however, maybe, a bit too thin (?), but even so, I think I'll use it, in the future; when I get DS working for me) ...

You put the barrels under it, it's a wonderful 100% playmo counter ... In theory. If you try it, then let us know ;)


Gus
:blackhair:
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: Gustavo on October 18, 2008, 14:47:56
Quote from: Playmofool on October 07, 2008, 19:46:09
I finally found the picture I'd talked about. It's supposed to be in 19th century Germany next to a magnificent brewery  :love:.

Still, the style could work for a medieval tavern as well .



I find the counter too broad for a counter, Playmofool ... I'd use it as a long table, in a banquet or so. As a counter in an open space, it'll do fine ... It's good in the composition she made.

Inside a tavern, on the other hand, a counter sfould be of the proper width, so as to give enough room to as many tables as possible, I think ...

Thanks, though, for bringing her pic here. It is a very beautiful (and beautifully done) composition.


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I don't like the western counter to be used in a medieval tavern, Martin, but I agree that it can be though to exist in medieval times. I'd better use it in some sort of Royal (inside castle) piece of decoration, with weapons on it, or maybe in a church, with a priest at the back, and a basin of water, and some other clergic instruments (a plate with bread, a goblet of wine, one of those three candle candlesticks 8} )



Gus
:blackhair:
Title: Re: Medieval Tavern or Bar
Post by: CountBogro on October 18, 2008, 16:12:11
To be honest, I still think that the Saloon's bar is still the best looking; allthough it's near impossible to get. I know; I've tried...
But if that's not possible, the the barrels and planks is probably the best option...

Perhaps I should try that.

MacGayver; can't you cast those bars for us  ;)

Bogro