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Title: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on March 29, 2008, 03:21:45
WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL ...  ;)

i decided to create this thread as an alternative to richard's "what's wrong...".
(you have to take a grip on your dragons, richard). 0)

my little contribution: geobra could keep the larger sets (i am thinking about ships, of course) filled with small extra parts, as they were in the past.
it is so much nicer to have pirates surrounded by bananas, knives, acordeons, chickens baskets, bottles, books...
i think it would be a way to make people forget that boxes are getting so much bigger than the actual sets.
 :) all the plastic moulds needed for this exist already and it is such a shame to have so few bags to un-wrap (an essential joy in any new toy)  :-[.
PLAYMOBIL WAKE UP ... YOU CAN DO MORE BUSINESS (MONEY) !!!
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: gloobey on March 29, 2008, 03:48:06
Bigger more complicated sets, YES! We love 'em at my house. The more the better. I think the hospital with accessories that was released here in the US last year was a great idea. More like that please.

Perhaps they could revisit the Victorian theme, or create a larger Roman playset...I think the new Egyptian pyramid set will be a nice addition when it gets to the US.

More parts, bigger sets.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Sylvia on March 29, 2008, 11:20:13

My wish is simple: Include parts sheets in ALL of the sets including the Specials! :)

A number of times, my kids have lost something from one of these sets and I've been unable to replace it because the part number was unknown. :( 

Plus, they often include really cool stuff that you want to have more than once without buying the whole set again - like the plumber's tools in #4655 (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4655), or the toothbrush in #4661 (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4661), for example. (I'm really pleased
to see there will be an orange version available when set #4285 (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4285) gets released. :D)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on March 29, 2008, 12:42:38


Hello, Steve ...  :wave:

Perhaps they could revisit the Victorian theme ...

Great idea! There are still so many Victorian sets that Playmobil could make!

The new wedding theme is tantalizingly close to the Victorian theme.
(But, how do you satisfy both the children who seem to want modern, familiar looking themes and some of the adults who would like more romantic themes like the Victorian one?)

Over the years, in my humble opinion, Playmobil appears to have done a pretty good job of keeping most of us happy most of the time.


Hello, Cachalote ...  :wave:

i decided to create this thread as an alternative to richard's "what's wrong...".
(you have to take a grip on your dragons, richard). 0)

Thanks for starting this thread, Cachalote ...  :)9
(And, for those of you who don't know about the "Dragons," click HERE ! (http://www.kingdomality.com/playmofriends/pfdragontest.html))

All the best,
Richard



Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Jimbo on March 29, 2008, 14:16:24
Great thread, Cachalote!
I would like to see more Victorian vintage vehicles. Cars, trucks, FIRE ENGINES!  How
about a horse drawn steam powered fire pumper?  Vintage aircraft, anyone?

This idea might fit here also...In my humble 0) opinion, I think the eyes and mouth on
the ethnic adult figures should be solid black like the children in that series.  The
"beady" white and black eyes look kind of "vaudeville" to me. 

Maybe a nice Royal Chariot like Her Majesty rides around in.  That would even fit in the Knights theme.

All in all though, Playmobil does a good job of providing plenty of grins for the Jimbo,
Knightmo clan. ;D ;D ;D

Best regards,
Jimbo


Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: gloobey on March 30, 2008, 02:01:21
Hi Richard, Since we are dreaming, how about this. Playmobil starts a separate arm of their company that creates or expands upon historic themes in their catalog (with more detail) that is geared for adults. Why not? We as adult collectors/players have a desire, and the $ to pay for this stuff. It would be great to see some detailed sets that expand upon their themes.

A victorian fire engine is a great idea. How about a land tractor or steam powered railcar? Some different Victorian London buildings would be cool too. How about some sets canal system sets with boats, locks, etc...or better yet trains from that era.

Ah well, It's nice to dream :-)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on March 30, 2008, 02:38:02
 ;) well gloobey, might i change your request to thames river with georgian (the iii) buildings.
this way we could add royal navy sets from the napoleonic wars period (the ones that go along with the pirates...).  :-[

i am glad you all liked this thread.  :)
 :love: ... by the way, loved you new avatar sylvia (you should try to be careful with that "open" helmet though, they are quite dangerous).
  :love:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on March 30, 2008, 08:14:59
I'd like to see thought given to producing klickies which could rotate at the waist as this would add another useful dimension to posing.  You can see what I mean here:

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1491.msg16938;topicseen#msg16938

in the picture entitled: At the scene, the firecrew carry out scene safety.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Sir Gareth on March 30, 2008, 11:04:20
I would like to see larger figure sets mainly in the themes I collect and just figures not with cannons and rams or wagons.

The western series give us a few US cavalry sets like 3811 which just contained basically a box of soldiers on horseback. I would like to see a set of archers, pikemen or foot soldiers for the knights, a nice set of Roman cavalry similar to 3811, five figures in a box. It would be a better way of expanding or armies quickly rather than buying 3 figures at a time from DS.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: gloobey on March 31, 2008, 04:22:39
Georgian buildings, Thames river, Royal Navy, that's exactly what I mean Cahalote! Specific time periods to explore would be great fun.

LEGO has expanded the educational aspect of their toys. They even have educational centers that work with schools and businesses to teach people through building and creative play. The do field trips for schoold, workshops for corporate groups...Playmobil could explore this area as well, why not? It seems to be working for LEGO.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Martin Milner on March 31, 2008, 10:35:09
A Playmobil Theme Park in the South East of England to compete with Legoland Windsor would put them on the map better in the UK.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on March 31, 2008, 10:47:36
A Playmobil Theme Park in the South East of England to compete with Legoland Windsor would put them on the map better in the UK.

How about the North? After all, the south-east has Eurostar and the Paris FunPark is some 300 miles away, about 70 miles further than from Ripon (our nearest city) to London, and then people could come "oop North" for a change to the land of clogs, cloth caps and whippets! ;D

(Interestingly enough, Lego were looking at having an indoor Lego Discovery Centre in Scarborough, but the deal fell through late this month.  when Martin Entertainments, described as Legoland's parent company, announced it was going to concentrate on mainland Europe and the USA.)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Justindo on March 31, 2008, 16:34:32
I like a lot of the ideas mentioned, especially larger more complicated and detailed sets, Georgian buildings, an expanded Victorian theme, and a parts list for Specials.  Unfortunately, however, I don't see any of this happening even though it very easily could.  For example, I' be willing to pay an extra 10 cents or whatever it would cost to put in a parts list for Specials and I don't think that would affect sales whatsoever.  Similarly, I'd be willing to spend $XXX on a huge, complicated, detailed set (e.g. a large pirate ship, a large medieval castle, a Roman town, a true Viking village, etc.).  Although these obviously wouldn't sell well with children, Playmobil probably could sell enough to the adult and collector market, especially if they ran them as a "limited collector's edition of 1000 sets" or something to make it profitable.

Regarding pure figure sets, I think Playmobil is doing a mostly good job of this.  For example, there are the 3-pack klickies and individual leader figures available for many themes, such as Romans, Gauls, various medieval groups, redcoats, Civil War, Western, etc.  That said, there are a number of odd decisions they have made.  For example, the redcoat package should consist of 3 identical privates rather than having one sergeant, one corporal, and one private.  Similarly, when they did have the French bluecoat package, rather than having 3 identical privates, they gave us two different officers and one private.  These poor choices makes it very difficult and expensive to build an army!  With the Roman Add-Ons, while the legionaries, tribune, Gauls, and family are great, why don't they give us an archer 3-pack and why did they give the auxiliary soldiers the wrong footwear, helmets, and spears?  (If the klickies are meant to be earlier legionaries then the pilum are okay.)

For my fantasy improvement, I'd like to be able to custom order klickies (e.g. body from A klickly in 1111, arms from B klicky in 2222, legs from C klicky in 3333, head from D klicky in 4444, hair from klicky E in 5555, beard from klicky F in 6666, epaulettes from klicky G in 7777, etc.).  I know this would never happen, but it would be much cheaper and easier for those of us wanting to assemble customs by the dozens.  Although this will never happen, if they charged enough per klicky and had a minimum order number, this could possibly make them money and make adult collectors happy.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 01, 2008, 15:11:31
i am so glad a lot of new ideas are coming up.  :)
i will add an old one: an european playmobil site with online shopping.  0)
i can see that this could cause some commercial problems with distributors but if, at least, direct service was available (with sets that you can't buy on a regular shop) it would be great.
lego has done this with no problems.  :hmm:
geobra could do it too.  :yup:
i am sure people in iceland, portugal, italy, ireland, denmark, greece, slovenia, hungary, slovakia, czech republic, poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, finland, sweden and norway (all european union or efta countries with no playmo-official-sites) would love the idea.
  :love:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Martin Milner on April 01, 2008, 15:27:47
For my fantasy improvement, I'd like to be able to custom order klickies (e.g. body from A klickly in 1111, arms from B klicky in 2222, legs from C klicky in 3333, head from D klicky in 4444, hair from klicky E in 5555, beard from klicky F in 6666, epaulettes from klicky G in 7777, etc.).  I know this would never happen, but it would be much cheaper and easier for those of us wanting to assemble customs by the dozens.  Although this will never happen, if they charged enough per klicky and had a minimum order number, this could possibly make them money and make adult collectors happy.

Better, have every klicky part with its own unique part number that we can order from - including the chassis inside, hair, head and beard, and supposedly "unremovable" attachments like collars.

That would make complete customisation possible, or part customisation. For example for my Morris Dancing team I wanted about ten sets of white legs with black shoes. How much easier if would have been if I could order ten of that set of legs.

It would also be easier to amend current figures to get a particular uniform or look, or to replace parts on broken klickies, and I could reduce most of the NCOs in my redcoats and US Civil War armies to the ranks without trying to rub off their stripes.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 01, 2008, 18:07:14


Hello, Martin ...  :wave:

... and I could reduce most of the NCOs in my redcoats and US Civil War armies to the ranks without trying to rub off their stripes.

Just a suggestion .. But, you may want to be careful about reducing your NCOs to the ranks. You might end up with a lot of your Klickys looking like this fellow ...  :lol:

All the best,
Richard
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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 01, 2008, 21:51:41
What Playmobil could do better:

Chesty-er klickies.  I'm talking Barbie.  I'm talking klickies that fall forward.  You know what I mean?   

But seriously:
A more dynamic add-on selection, similar to what Martin is suggesting. 

Playmobil USA direct sales is sold-out of everything Roman.

This is bad for me.
Bad for Playmobil.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: LHAAP on April 02, 2008, 14:49:46
i will add an old one: an european playmobil site with online shopping.  0)

That's a very good idea! And at least in the cold North it will be like that in few years. In 2009 a PLAYMOBIL site will be released in each of the the nordic languages. Besides this the DS will be available from next year :woohoo:

All these changes are only becoming true because PLAYMOBIL Benelux has taken over the nordic market, this year, after a distributor.

PS: The cold north includes Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. (And Iceland too)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 02, 2008, 16:25:14
 :'( you are forgetting the coldest north country lhapp - iceland.
i bet playmo-icelandic fans should be sad.
maybe they could are only 100 or less (in a total population of 300.000) but they are very nice people.  :)
if someone finds out that bjork is a playmo-fan, maybe then things can change.  ;)

i wish playmobil-benelux could be the responsible for the portuguese very small market instead of playmobil-iberia (with its headquartes in spain).  :-\

that way, i am sure, all my emails regarding absent or wrong parts in new sets would have an answer.  >:(
i don't know if the spanish playmo-guys are of the very nationalist kind (and resent the fact that portugal was able to remain independent from spain) or if they can´t understand any other language besides spanish (i prefer to believe in this second, more benevolent, explanation).  0)

Benelux trade culture would no doubt be better...
  :love:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: LHAAP on April 02, 2008, 16:39:25
:'( you are forgetting the coldest north country lhapp - iceland.
I'm so sorry that I forgot to include the Republic of Iceland on my nordic list - of course Iceland should has been there too :-[ I send my deepest apologies to the Icelanders!
And just to make it totally clear; Iceland isn't serviced by Benelux (as the other nordic countries), but by EIRIKSSON sf. in Hafnarfjördur.

:'(
i wish playmobil-benelux could be the responsible for the portuguese very small market instead of playmobil-iberia (with its headquartes in spain).  :-\

that way, i am sure, all my emails regarding absent or wrong parts in new sets would have an answer.  >:(
I'm sad to here that the people at PLAYMOBIL Iberia don't do their job well. Have you tried to write an e-mail to PLAYMOBIL in Zirndorf regarding the problem?
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 02, 2008, 16:40:53
i bet playmo-icelandic fans should be sad, maybe they could are only 100 or less (in a total population of 300.000) but they are very nice people.  :)
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They are indeed nice people.  I remember being able to help an Icelandic Playmobil fan restore a 3750 pirate ship, partly through surplus parts I had and partly by including parts for him on my UK DS order.

i don't know if the spanish playmo-guys are of the very nationalist kind (and resent the fact that portugal was able to remain independent from spain) or if they can´t understand any other language besides spanish (i prefer to believe in this second, more benevolent, explanation).  0)


Be cunning and always email them in English, maybe even use an English name.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 02, 2008, 17:15:11
well lhapp, i prefer to use the same motto a bande-déssiné's character created by hugo pratt  :love: uses - those that do not love me do not deserve me.  ;)
playmofire's suggestion could be a good one - it would have worked in portugal so i think it would work in spain (we are quite a-like).  :)

meanwhile, to adress the quantity problem - to have a buch of figures in just one set, other then d.s. available - i thought the bucket concept would be a nice one.
i gathered my legos in a bucket when i was a child and i can see on ebay that so many people use buckets in the same way with playmobil.
a bucket has that magical capacity of making one wanting to fill it.
it has also gives a wonderful sesnse of abubdance when it is filled.

if playmobil could re-instate the buckets - they did it in the past with lyra, in greece, although they were very small - they could create sets abundant with figures.
imagine a small 15 figures roman army.
... or an english army, or a bunch of royal navy sailors to fill a new big royal navy ship (yet to be produced) or a crew of pirates to populate ships and islands.
... or firefighters, knights, people invited to the wedding, animals to over-crowd a zoo or a forest, an egyptian army, doctors and nurses and patients, mechanics, fishes ans marine mammals...
buckets filled with happiness.
  :) :D ;D :yup:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 02, 2008, 17:26:14
The bucket idea is a good one and certainly very appealing to me and, I'm sure, other fans.  At the very least you would have somewhere to keep your figures when you weren't playing with them.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Martin Milner on April 04, 2008, 09:21:02
I'd like Playmobil to package some of their sets better. This applies to mid-sized sets mainly - some effort is made with ships to give them support inside the boxes and prevent knocks and rubbing.

Almost all the vehicles I have bought new had scratches or marks on the windscreens and bodywork stright out of the box, because there's no attempt to prevent such damage - loose pieces just bang against each other inside the boxes.

Some figures have marks on them from rubbing against other pieces in the bags.

When I buy something new I like to to BE new, not knocked about.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 04, 2008, 11:09:43
 :) using ideas that came up in this thread and some others i remember (and liked) from others, i decided to create a list that we could all "offer" to geobra, if you all agree with them.
 :) i was hoping that you could all also correct my phrasing so that the english would be perfect.
 :) if someone could also translate it into german, we could send this list (with additions and revisions) to geobra as the "playmofriend's contribution to an even better playmobil world"...

. better internal packaging, with supports preventing scratches on pieces.
. sets with several (more than 10) single figures from the same family-theme.
. buckets with several figures, that could be re-used to store them all the time.

. a number system depicting all individual parts of every set, included in an instructions booklet on every set.

. larger "collector-special-edition" sets, filled with components and details.
. re-released sets on all families, again, maybe, "colector-special-editions".

. rotating torsos in figures.
. more figures with varied skin colors and face structure, without "caricatural" designs.
. extra-designs for hair-pieces, beards and moustaches (larger, curlier, pointier, etc.)

. sets with construction-oriented design, allowing several ways to assemble the same building.
. sets that are construction-compatible with one-another, permitting justapositions.

. a new "feudal" japanese/chinese theme.
. a playmobil chess set.
. a new scotish "kilted" special.

. an european (or worlwide) site with on-line shopping, including direct service sets.
. new theme-parks all over the world, with educational centers attached.
. playmobil-exclusive blue shops scattered all over the world, also with educational centers attached.
. decisions on new factories or suppliers determined by countries behaviour towards human-rights and child-labour.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Indianna on April 04, 2008, 13:50:54
 :clap:  This is an excellent idea, cachalote!

Now that you have gathered all these ideas into a list, I am sure that people will think of even more things to add.  I thought of these suggestions:

- Make the boxes and other packaging as small as possible to save on resources and to keep parts from shifting around inside
- Automated online direct service ordering for individual parts, not just the "add-ons" (worldwide)
- Ability to order individual arms, legs, torsos, heads, hair, etc.
- Adaptor pieces to connect all the various building systems with each other, such as Steck to System X
- "Wish lists" for hard to find individual pieces such as the  water girl's yoke  (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3372x.htm)or the castle balcony (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30%2002%208440)

We could even "sign" the letter to Geobra with our PF names as well as our real names and contact info.

- Anne

(Thanks to Collectobil and Playmodb for the photo links!)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 04, 2008, 14:12:08
cachalote has done a great job here, so a big "Thank you!" to him. :clap: :clap: :clap:

If it helps, I can provide better pictures of the klickies with the rotating torsos if that would help.

I'm not sure about Indianna's suggestion about the size of boxes.  Playmobil, like many other companies, will have designed its boxes with a view to minimising costs by bulk production of a small number of different standard sizes and also geared those sizes to standard palette sizes and outer sizes.  Her others, however, sound good. 

All these suggestions have costs though, and this will obviously influence Geobra in its decisions as incurring extra costs without bringing in extra revenue at least equal to the costs is a non-starter.  We must remember, too, that some of these changes will mean extra costs to Geobra's suppliers and customers in the trade.

I'd be happy to sign any letter appropriately worded.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Indianna on April 04, 2008, 16:53:50
. . .  Playmobil, like many other companies, will have designed its boxes with a view to minimising costs by bulk production of a small number of different standard sizes and also geared those sizes to standard palette sizes and outer sizes. . .

Gordon, I agree 100% with this comment.  After opening many Playmobil boxes over the years, we all get a feel for the standard sizes that they use and, truly, some of the larger sets are so efficiently packed that it is almost impossible to put everything back into the box and have it all fit!  Companies certainly want to be as efficient as possible and I imagine Geobra is as good as or better than most companies in this regard.  However, "Marketing" is also a factor and I think that in the US, at least, they use packaging that is often quite a bit larger than necessary, perhaps to appear comparable in value to competing products. Many of the Target and TRU "exclusives" (which have boxes different from the norm) would be examples of this - also the new fairy tale sets such as Hansel and Gretel  (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4212)which, though not "exclusives," have so few pieces relative to box size as to be almost laughable.  :(
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Martin Milner on April 04, 2008, 17:57:25
... the new fairy tale sets such as Hansel and Gretel  (http://www.playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=4212)which, though not "exclusives," have so few pieces relative to box size as to be almost laughable.  :(


I haven't had one of these yet, but aren't the boxes sized to hold the cardboard backgrounds?
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 04, 2008, 22:22:37

. a new "feudal" japanese/chinese theme.

Hi Cachalote,
I presume "feudal" applies only to the Japanese medieval society (Chinese would fall under category of imperial).

. decisions on new factories or suppliers determined by countries behaviour towards human-rights and child-labour.

Oh, bosh, but doesn't PM already fret about this?

I'll back you on this, OK.  But don't throw "Green" into the picture!

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 04, 2008, 22:31:38
Hey Guys,

If you're serious about pushing this stuff to Geobra, narrow the list down to three really important things.

1) Also, I would advise against the rotating torsos.  A rotating torso will completely change the klicky framework--and possibly we'll get a klicky back that you can't take apart without breaking.  Who really wants a rotating torso?  The rotating wrist was the revolution.  Also, the more moving parts, the uglier the figure will look.  Like knees and elbows with big, ugly joints.

2) Leave the size of the boxes to PM to worry about.  It's in their interest to reduce packaging to save cost, so I'm sure they're doing what they can already.

3) Supports to prevent scratching?  That will increase costs.  You get a lot of scratched klickies?  I think you can throw a klicky at a wall without scratching it.

4) PM already has a number system depicting all internal parts....  if you're wanting separate parts for legs, I think this is a harder sale because for one thing, PM doesn't sell Klickies in pieces, but in full figures.

5) Hairpieces: PM seems to be doing a good job on its own with hair and face variety.  I mean, hasn't somebody documented over 100 face types?

But, seriously, guys, I think the list needs to be narrowed, tightened, and cleaned up.

-Tim

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 04, 2008, 23:00:57
i was not thinking on turning "green", you can rest assured tim.  0)
there are ways to make hidrocarbonate fuel form plants but i still haven't seen that you can make plastic.
you can always recycle plastic, until no other option is available.
i don't know if geobra is working on this but i have a feeling one of this days we will see clickies made od wood-based composites (mdf-like).  :o
aluminium could also be an option (it's easy to recycle) but it is getting so much expensive.

 :hmm: i will insist in the human-rights though, particularly in the child-labour theme.
i would hate that a 10 years old chinese (as an example) boy could be responsible for the production of a toy that my 10 years old child would play with.
not so long ago (actually when i was a child) the same problem existed in portugal and i still remember how awfull it was.  :'(
the argument that, on the long run, you are contributing to make a country wealthier and that this is only a necessary and temporary step towards "evolution" doesn't convince me at all. :(

i recognize that "we" "westerners" are quite hypocrite about many things - most people accept the use of dolphins on shows, "buying" the argument that this helps to develop a general ecological awareness (when actually the life-span of a bottlenose dolphin in captivity can be reduced to a third when compared with a life in the wild) - but free trade should not mean that "anything goes" just because you can buy it cheaper.
many of "us" still use words like "skin-tone" to describe a light pink caucasian skin-tone color (and geobra has done it too).
many of "us" still use the word "ethnic" to describe people with different skin color or hair types (and again, geobra has done this too).

you are right about the chinese theme, it should be called imperial.
i would rather leave it out of the list, though, maintaining only the feudal japanese reference.
 :)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 05, 2008, 02:56:43
:hmm: i will insist in the human-rights though, particularly in the child-labour theme.
i would hate that a 10 years old chinese (as an example) boy could be responsible for the production of a toy that my 10 years old child would play with.

China actually does have child labor laws.  The factories we are talking employ adult laborers.  Labor is quite tight in China right now, especially the skilled labor to work in factories that compete for western dollars.

Starving peasants don't make the best workers for a highly efficient, modern factory.  China has a pool of experienced laborers that is growing tighter and more expensive as competition for their services increases (to illustrate: business is shifting to Indonesia because China is becoming expensive).

Granted, these adult workers tend to work grueling hours (10-14 hour days, often no holidays except Lunar New Year, May Day week, and Republic Day week).

But, again, it is better to take these jobs away?  Would these people benefit?  What do they want?

I've traveled around China pretty extensively.  Child labor is illegal and not behind the economic boom.  A slave ring was recently busted in north west China that enslaved men, women, and children.  But this organization worked outside the law (it was a brick factory I think), and was raided by the police.

But, again, I'm a fellow who believes in compromise!  I'll support your desire for socially responsible factories so long as we don't go green!

Think: "edible Playmobil"
"And when your wonderful young ones have finished playing, they can feed their wonderful toys to the little birds, who will chirp thank you, Geobra, thank you for respecting carbon quotas."

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I forgot to add: many of these "factories" aren't what we think of.  For example, the workers who paint smurf figurines take a box of figures home, which they are accountable for, paint them, and bring them back.  They get paid for the number of figures they paint.

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Justindo on April 05, 2008, 06:30:49
Hey Guys,

If you're serious about pushing this stuff to Geobra, narrow the list down to three really important things.

1) Also, I would advise against the rotating torsos.  A rotating torso will completely change the klicky framework--and possibly we'll get a klicky back that you can't take apart without breaking.  Who really wants a rotating torso?  The rotating wrist was the revolution.  Also, the more moving parts, the uglier the figure will look.  Like knees and elbows with big, ugly joints.

2) Leave the size of the boxes to PM to worry about.  It's in their interest to reduce packaging to save cost, so I'm sure they're doing what they can already.

3) Supports to prevent scratching?  That will increase costs.  You get a lot of scratched klickies?  I think you can throw a klicky at a wall without scratching it.

4) PM already has a number system depicting all internal parts....  if you're wanting separate parts for legs, I think this is a harder sale because for one thing, PM doesn't sell Klickies in pieces, but in full figures.

5) Hairpieces: PM seems to be doing a good job on its own with hair and face variety.  I mean, hasn't somebody documented over 100 face types?

But, seriously, guys, I think the list needs to be narrowed, tightened, and cleaned up.

-Tim



I agree with everything Tim writes, except for part of #4:  Playmobil should include an illustrated part number sheet for Specials, which they currently do not.  It would be good to have a focused list of maybe 5 of the most important (and realistic) items.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 06, 2008, 04:41:47
I agree with everything Tim writes, except for part of #4:  Playmobil should include an illustrated part number sheet for Specials, which they currently do not.  It would be good to have a focused list of maybe 5 of the most important (and realistic) items.

I should have known better when criticizing number 4.  I want to order the Asian woman from the new family set and can't because there is no part number for add-ons...

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 07, 2008, 14:06:40
playmofire just confirmed that the official date of playmobil "invention" was 1974.  :wow:
i confess i had doubts because of the 3133-25-years-special-edition-schooner they made in 2001 (2 years later than they should have).  :-[

as some of the ideas that came up have to do with special sets, i was wondering if we could send them to geobra as a "gift" to comemorate the 35 years anniversary.  :yup:

... by the way, i think it is called the coral anniversary - and as corals grow mainly in the caribbean and south pacific, i think this anniversay should see the arrival of new pirate sets (just kidding).
  :P
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 07, 2008, 14:17:14


Hello, Cachalote ...  :wave:

... by the way, i think it is called the coral anniversary - and as corals grow mainly in the caribbean and south pacific, i think this anniversay should see the arrival of new pirate sets (just kidding). :P

Perhaps, instead, we should all celebrate Playmobil's 35th Anniversary by going to the Caribbean for a February Winter holiday (Playmobil was first introduced at the Nürnberg Toy Fair in February of 1974) ... ;)

All the best.
Richard

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 08, 2008, 19:56:41
What Playmobil could do better:
Chesty-er klickies.  I'm talking Barbie.  I'm talking klickies that fall forward.  You know what I mean?

i just realized that tim's wishes were already manufactured: her name is the venus of willendorf.  :yup:
she is rather older (c. 30.000 years) than playmobil fugures and a bit taller (11 cm) but she is equally portable and not that essentially different from our loved figurines.  :love:
maybe that's the secret of playmobil success - like the willendorf venus, you can take them with you everywhere.
  ;)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: CountBogro on April 09, 2008, 10:33:30
I am actually looking for a copy of that statue to stand in front of some books.

Besides - she looks a bit like someone I love  :love: ... or ...  :wow:

But on a slightly more serious line; don't you miss the magic smile and all the items that our beloved klickies have as well - never mind the customising potential ???


Bogro

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 09, 2008, 12:18:10

i just realized that tim's wishes were already manufactured: her name is the venus of willendorf.  :yup:
she is rather older (c. 30.000 years) than playmobil fugures and a bit taller (11 cm) but she is equally portable and not that essentially different from our loved figurines.  :love:
maybe that's the secret of playmobil success - like the willendorf venus, you can take them with you everywhere.
  ;)

Hi Cachalote
Heh, I was reading about icons similar to that just the other day!
She was either the world's first anthropomorphic shrine statue, or the world's first playboy magazine.  It seems our ancestors were more dignified than us, so I'm guessing shrine statue.

PS:
Other great things PM is doing:
Though medieval has miserably tanked, other themes are full of energy.

1) I got my first two fairy theme sets and not only did I like the way they looked, but they drew my wife's interest too.

2) The Egyptian theme is introducing a lot of innovations--new sleeves, shirtless klickies, etc, plus respectable accuracy, given that this is a toy (Pharoah's chariot is reasonably similar to pictures).

3) The dino sets are a lot of fun, and the dinosaurs look good.  Deinochyous ("velociraptor" for movie fans) looks scary and fast!

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 09, 2008, 17:46:31
combining your wishes tim, maybe what you want is a voluptuous fast and scary shirtless clicky fairy ...  ;)
customizers, here's a challenge !
  :hmm:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 09, 2008, 20:06:16


Hello, Cachalote and Timmy ...  :wave: :wave:

combining your wishes tim, maybe what you want is a voluptuous fast and scary shirtless clicky fairy ...  ;)
customizers, here's a challenge !
  :hmm:

Hmmm ... :hmm:

An "X-Rated" Playmobil Klicky ... ???

Unfortunately, in my very humble opinion, there is nothing very sexy about a female Playmobil Klicky !!!

Admittedly, Sylvia has made some very serious attempts to create a Playmobil femme fatale. Unfortunately, the Playmobil "female form" is a bit boxy like an old Volvo or perhaps Sponge Bob's wife ... :lol:

The Playmobil female (again in my very humble opinion) is NOT something that most men would want to see in a bikini !!!

Please look at the attachments, as I'm not sure that anyone could do anywhere near as well as Sylvia. And, as I said, (in my very humble opinion) the Playmobil female Klicky is NOT something that most men would want to see in a bikini ... or any other bathing suit for that matter ... :)

Just my two cents worth ... :2c:

All the best,
Richard

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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: CountBogro on April 10, 2008, 07:04:16
mmm - sexy is a thing of the mind. I can see the way a female klicky could be sexy to another klicky. I disagree with you Richard - a klacky can be sexy  ;)

But then again - perhaps I am too warped  :lol:

Bogro
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 10, 2008, 13:38:15


Hello, Bogro ...  :wave:

mmm - sexy is a thing of the mind. I can see the way a female klicky could be sexy to another klicky. I disagree with you Richard - a klacky can be sexy  ;)

But then again - perhaps I am too warped  :lol:

Bogro


You are definitely NOT warped !!!

The more I look at Sylvia's "Klackys," the more "sexy" they look ... ;)
(Wonder how many Playmofriends know that a female Klicky is a Klacky?)

Years ago, when I lived in Texas, Sylvia posted a birthday card with the attached picture. I have to admit, this is a very sexy Klacky (especially looking through my old cowboy Klicky eyes)! ...  :love:

Thanks for making me take another look, Bogro!

All the best,
Richard

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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 10, 2008, 14:44:40
I could go for the Hawaiian (#2 from the top left).

Heh, er, is "Klacky" an official term for a woman klicky?

Both klicky and klacky are vaguely similar to otherwise awkward slang terms.

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 10, 2008, 15:13:07


Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

I could go for the Hawaiian (#2 from the top left).

Heh, er, is "Klacky" an official term for a woman klicky?

Both klicky and klacky are vaguely similar to otherwise awkward slang terms.

-Tim

Actually, I prefer Sylvia's "bunny" ... ;)

Klicky and Klacky ...
Spain's Famobil even called them "Click" and "Clack" ... :)

All the best,
Richard

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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 10, 2008, 15:22:20



KLICK KLACK (CLICK CLACK) ... ???

Hmmm ... the "old" Playmobil boxes just say "Klicky" (not even "Klickys") ...  :hmm:

However, we "older" collectors just kind of knew that they were "Klickys" and "Klackys" ... ;)

BTW ... NEVER "Klickies" ... always "Klickys" ...   ;D

All the best,
Richard

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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 10, 2008, 21:06:29
you all seem to forget sylvia's christmas klickette ...  :love:
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 10, 2008, 22:48:07


Hello, Cachalote ... :wave:

you all seem to forget sylvia's christmas klickette ...  :love:

I remember ... ;)

I also remember the the "full length" version ...  ;D

All the best,
Richard

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Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: CountBogro on April 17, 2008, 22:29:06
I am sorry I didn't react any soone'; this topic somehow got lost to me  :(

Anyway, as far as I know only Famobil ever called them Clackys. (sorry for my spelling; English isn't my best language  :-[)

... I also remember the the "full length" version ...  ;D ...

Richard: behave - please remember that this site is for all ages!

Bogro
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 18, 2008, 03:39:07


Hello, Bogro ...  :wave:

I am sorry I didn't react any soone'; this topic somehow got lost to me  :(

Anyway, as far as I know only Famobil ever called them Clackys. (sorry for my spelling; English isn't my best language  :-[)

You are probably correct, Bogro ... ;)
However, clicks and clacks translated into Klickys and Klackys does make a nice story for the "oldtimers' to tell to the "young folks" ... :lol:


Richard: behave - please remember that this site is for all ages!

Surely you're not referring to that classy Christmas clack created by Sylvia ...  ;D

All the best,
Richard


Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: CountBogro on April 18, 2008, 05:44:51
Well, she is rather revealing  :love: And I am not sure she's suited for our younger members  :lol:

Bogro
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 18, 2008, 13:04:21


Hello, Bogro ...  :wave:

Well, she is rather revealing  :love: And I am not sure she's suited for our younger members  :lol:

Not quite as "revealing" as Mofreaky's Adam and Eve ...  :o
(And, yes .... I have the full unedited original photo!)
see attachment

BTW ... your English is excellent!

English is a "fun" language to play with because of "double entendre" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre) and "puns" ...

When you said that you weren't sure that Sylvia's creative classy Christmas clacky was "suited" for our younger members ... "suited' opened up all kinds of double meaning possibilities ... ;) 

(And, did you like the "C" alliteration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliteration)?) ...  8-)

All the best,
Richard
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Jimbo on April 18, 2008, 19:34:50
Wow! 
Adam and Eve Klicky.  The first two klickys ever.
Are they in the Garden of Zirndorf, just north of Eden? ;D

 :lol:
Jimbo
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: CountBogro on April 18, 2008, 22:51:54
Hiya Richard,

... Not quite as "revealing" as Mofreaky's Adam and Eve ...  :o ...

... When you said that you weren't sure that Sylvia's creative classy Christmas clacky was "suited" for our younger members ... "suited' opened up all kinds of double meaning possibilities ... ;)   ...

... (And, did you like the "C" alliteration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliteration)?) ...  8-) ...

The answers are -
true; but they haven´t been shown for a awefull long time.

sorry - that one got passed me - like I said before; my English isn´t perfect  :(

I did - but only after you pointed it out to me. Somehow I can´t hear the sounds words make when I read them.

All the best,

Countless Bogro
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 00:15:24
On the pirate theme, I would like to see less pirate ships and more British/French/Spanish Royal navies, or more merchant ships. If not, we have mostly pirates and no capable foe to fight the pirates with (or from whom the pirates can rob). One has just pirates fighting pirates...
It is like an ecosystem with only lions and no prey to feed the lions.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Justindo on April 19, 2008, 03:15:14
On the pirate theme, I would like to see less pirate ships and more British/French/Spanish Royal navies, or more merchant ships. If not, we have mostly pirates and no capable foe to fight the pirates with (or from whom the pirates can rob). One has just pirates fighting pirates...
It is like an ecosystem with only lions and no prey to feed the lions.

I agree with this completely and would love to see distinctive ships and klickies for the English, French, and Spanish, however to the average ten year old, pirates are romantic while the navies of the nations are less so.  Still, I remember the "good old days" of Playmobil when there was a pirate ship, albeit with sticker options for flags that could be used to make the ship English or Spanish and another "enemy" ship from England.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 19, 2008, 13:19:04



Interesting thought, Justindo ...  :wow:

Still, I remember the "good old days" of Playmobil when there was a pirate ship, albeit with sticker options for flags that could be used to make the ship English or Spanish and another "enemy" ship from England.

Perhaps Geobra should think about offering an entire collection of "customizing stickers" as part of the Playmobil toy line!

They are cheap to make, which makes them profitable and the kids (and adults) would probably love them!

Good thought!

All the best,
Richard

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 18:36:37
Hi Justindo and Richard, I think you are both right, the flag stickers may save the making of non-pirate ships. I agree that pirates and not soldiers are the favourites of childs (and not-so childs), because of old movies. I think that just with flags and some isolated sets with soldiers (of which one has to buy many copies to get an army) the problem can be avoided. Navy ships and pirate ships would differ just by flags and crew, but not much problem.

Playmobil made of many XVIII century sets with soldiers, and I am happy with that. What I would like is a big non-pirate ship (I would tend to think the most powerful ships were owned by any nation's navy, and not by lawles pirates: I would prefer bigger ships for British soldiers and smaller for pirates -unlike the smaller old British clipper).

Merchant ship crew do not need to be much different from that of pirate ships (perhaps one can select for merchant ships "pirate" clickies without wood legs or hooks in the arms).

Sorry, my Anglo-saxon fellows by being somewhat Hispano-centric (it's difficult to avoid cultural preferences), but I think a good enemy for pirates would be that made classic by old movies, the Spanish Gold Galleon. Morrion-using old enemies (not the XVIII tricorne-using adversaries), as made famous in movies (I love morrions). These big ships were both heavily armed, permitting to fight back pirates, with soldiers in the crew, and at the same time were ships carrying a cargo of American Gold to Europe, so being a temptation enough to pirates to attack even when they had to fight (a normal merchant ship would be less armed and easier to defeat).

Well, this being said, one can said that the Playmobil pirates, because of their tricornes, are more likely of the period when they mostly confronted British and French navies, the Spanish being far from their XVI century naval hegemony.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 19, 2008, 19:24:31
Well, this being said, one can said that the Playmobil pirates, because of their tricornes, are more likely of the period when they mostly confronted British and French navies, the Spanish being far from their XVI century naval hegemony.

Hmmm, I'm not sure Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Grenville, Hawkins and company would agree with that last statement. ;D
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 19:27:37
Hehehe, yes, of course, the Spanish naval hegemony ended by the times of the defeat of the invincible Armada, near the end of the XVI century.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 20:16:25
Hi Playmofire (sorry all the uninterested), your last remark on XVI century naval dominance put me to read: I had the opinion I expressed in my last message, but I now read at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada) that although defeated the plans of attacking England by Spain with the Armada, the Spanish prevalence on the seas did not stopped until the Battle of Donws in 1639, where they were defeated by the Dutch United Provinces, which began a Dutch marine hegemony (Dutch prominence ending when most of the Dutch merchant elite immediately began to use London as a new operational base when Prince William III of Orange reached the English throne, then British naval pre-eminence begun).

Indeed, I am surprised to see Spanish hegemony survived the Armada failure, because, according to Wikipedia, at least in number of ships the English superated the Armada (indicating some naval strenght). One can think in the victories of the XVI century English corsairs you mentioned, but Wikipedia says they had a minor effect (surely, their attacks would be sparse and generally not involving fights between war fleets). Indeed, the Spanish galleon seems to be resilient but not good for fighting, and there are numerous accounts of fights in which Spaniards lose even when having superior forces (Battle of Downs). Perhaps at these times they just had many more ships than other nations...
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 19, 2008, 20:30:22
Well, Queen Elizabeth I was very cautious towards Spain because of the question of religion.  England under Elizabeth was Protestant and Spain was Catholic, but under Elizabeth's predecessor, her sister Mary who was married to Philip of Spain, England was Catholic.  Elizabeth therefore tried to avoid direct confrontation with Spain at sea or on land because she was afraid that any war with Spain might lead to a Catholic uprising in England. So she gave people like Drake permission to attack the Spanish treasure fleets and Spanish naval vessels but on an "if you get caught I don't know anything about it" basis.  They were acting privately and so were called privateers, in other words an official better class of corsair or pirate.

The question of Spanish fleets being defeated even when they were in greater numbers seems to have been the result of the large Spanish ships being unwieldy at sea and so slow to maneouvre, plus Spanish sailors were not well-trained or well-treated by their officers (there was, I believe, a lot of friction between the officers who were very rich and upper class and the sailors who were just the opposite, whereas the English officers though often rich and upper class did usually manage to be "one of the lads" when necessary.)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 20:57:26
As far as I saw, Spanish at sea were quite unnefective (sorry Cachalote, hehe), I think they might have prevailed by sheer numbers, and by having the greatest sea merchant navy of these times. I heard they had the ol' Roman mind of fighting by abboarding other ships, or just plainly carrying troops to land them on land, while the British preferred to fight by gunning (at least at the fight with the Armada, these were the different strategies).

I am mainly in agreement with you, Playmofire, but however, I do not think religious inner war was the only reason by which England avoided entering in war with Spain. Spain had by these times a land army which was considered as "invincible" on continental wars (of course, they faced defeats, but all in all, did not lost major battles until the battle of Rocroi in 1643, according to Wikipedia), and they wanted to land it on England. They had also a population greater than that of England (later the English population doubled and Spanish reduced to the half, following economic crises), as well the naval hegemony. We have to remember that Spain also had the support of the other countries of the Holy Roman Empire (by being part of it), which made this latter the strongest state on Europe. Indeed, Spain (or the Holy Roman Empire) was the European potence of the times, I do not think any country can be much interested in declaring overt war on them at that time.

I am not trying to be "Hispano-nationalistic" in this: I acknowledge England (as Britain) later become the greatest power on the seas. But not in the XVI century, in spite of the accomplishments of its corsairs, at least according to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 19, 2008, 21:42:53
I agree with you Pyhruss entirely.  I didn't want to go into too much detail by, for example, mentioning the wars in the Low Countries where Elizabeth took a low profile, but was rather concentrating more on the naval side of things as this seemed more relevant.  And remember, I was expressing what I'm fairly sure was the view of people like Drake and his colleagues.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 19, 2008, 22:57:38
Well, I considered the land forces because the kind of war of the Spanish at the times of the "Invincible Armada" was to transport land troops across sea. And, whereas I said the Spanish armies were considered "invincible", they were not, as in the case of the Dutch United Provinces. However, even when defeated, they were probably the strongest land force in Europe, supported by German Landsknetches. I suppose one of the reasons for the defeat of the Spaniards in the Netherlands may be the difficulty of access, given that most of the countries surrounding the Netherlands were not friends of the Spaniards in the XVI century (France, England, and the protestant northern German regions).
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 20, 2008, 10:31:42
Playmobil made of many XVIII century sets with soldiers, and I am happy with that. What I would like is a big non-pirate ship (I would tend to think the most powerful ships were owned by any nation's navy, and not by lawles pirates: I would prefer bigger ships for British soldiers and smaller for pirates -unlike the smaller old British clipper).

The definition of a pirate is so loose--

Some pirate fleets were national navies that preyed on their neighbors (think the Barbary Coast in the late 19th century or the English sending fleets against Spanish gold ships). 

But I see what you're saying:
You'd like PM to adopt a convention with big, heavy treasure ships and light, fleet pirate ships.

Or, heh, better still:
The modern pirates of Malaysia tend to be a handful of guys with a motorboat, a stash of AK-47s, and an infiltrator among the ship's crew.

(Actually, that's why it strikes me as a little pointless for Malaysia to purportedly have banned the pirate theme--PM's stuff doesn't remotely resemble modern pirates).
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 20, 2008, 15:10:03
You seem to be right, Timotheos, that there is not necessity of pirate ships to be smaller than navies. Just some Hollywood stereotype nostalgia. However, it makes sense, lighter ships seem faster and more maneuvrable (necessary for pirates to attack and flee if necessary), in addition, Gold Galleons should accomodate their cargo in addition to its defenses.

I admit the English fleet was largely (if not entirely) formed and commanded by corsairs. But even in that case, and at least in the Invincible Armada, the English war ships were notably smaller than the Spanish, as to afford greater velocity and maneuvrability.

Well with respect to Malaysia today, I am not interested in such a line (and obviously not talking about it) although I would not oppose to it being made (though I do not think it ever to be made, because of Playmobil avoiding XX century military).
But now that you talk about it, it would be nice to see some oriental, southeast Asian pirates, Sandokan-style!!!! 8}

And I think that it is logical for Malaysia to dislike Playmobil pirates, because even when they are not the same than the pirates by which they are attacked today, they represent the same behaviour and interests that make them suffer today.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 20, 2008, 17:30:27
As far as I saw, Spanish at sea were quite unnefective (sorry Cachalote, hehe)

no problem there pyrrhus, i am portuguese and not spanish. :)
in the period you were talking about, betwen 1581 and 1640, portugal had 3 spanish kings (the 3 felipes) but got independent again (and still is).

after being the first to round south africa by sea, arrive to brazil, india, japan, etc., the portuguese navy decayed and was even worse than the spanish one.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 20, 2008, 18:00:10
Oops, thank you Cachalote, it seems that I commited this error twice: I had formerly assumed Bogro was Spanish too!! (cachalote means also sperm whale in portuguese?).

And you are right about what I think one can call "the naval hegemonies". I think that before the Portuguese explorations, the Venetian Republic had the naval hegemony in Europe, which by means of naval commerce made of it a very rich state. The, the Portuguese naval trips and prowesses made of them the leading naval nation in Europe, similar to the Phoenicians in the Ancient times. I suppose that the union with Spain with Phillip II, as well as the discovery and expansion of the Spanish colonial empire led to a pre-eminence of the Spanish navy. Then, the Dutch dominated world sea traffic, even conquering some Portuguese and Spanish colonies...
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 20, 2008, 18:50:49
 :yup: yes pyrrhus, cachalote - physeter macrocephalus (linnaeus, 1758) - is the portuguese and spanish name for the sperm whale.
i don't mind the least being mistaken for a spanish citizen (or any other nationality). i love spain and its people.  :love:

 :wow: turning to another subject, the re-introduction of multiple combinations of stickers (it was done in the 3550 pirates' ship set) would be a fantastic idea.
 :hmm: maybe if you would do it with other sets you could change the "language" of your clickies in modern life sets for example.
 :) i will add it to the list.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 20, 2008, 19:30:03
I'd like to see thought given to producing klickies which could rotate at the waist as this would add another useful dimension to posing.  You can see what I mean here:

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=1491.msg16938;topicseen#msg16938

in the picture entitled: At the scene, the firecrew carry out scene safety.

Cloudy heaven! ... Easy thing to do with a klicky, though I'd never think about it! ... :o

It's great to see that some of us have such ... odd (& very-interesting) ideas. I have to admit that I make my adventures, but I am no customizer of klicky anatomy ... :lol: It made me remember the dwarves of Mofreaky ( http://www.mofreaky.com/mofreaky/page_galleries/pfddwarves/frameset.htm ), which was a bright and simple idea ...

G.--
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: playmofire on April 20, 2008, 19:47:09
Ah, not a custom done by me.  Way beyond my abilities.  When I get the time I'll post some more photos of them.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 20, 2008, 19:51:00
All these suggestions have costs though, and this will obviously influence Geobra in its decisions as incurring extra costs without bringing in extra revenue at least equal to the costs is a non-starter.  We must remember, too, that some of these changes will mean extra costs to Geobra's suppliers and customers in the trade.

Maybe we could make polls and vote for a (not too large) number of ideas, so as to make a shorter list ... I agree that it's impossible for any enterprise to please everyone (even among us).

& I didn't even give my thoughts on the original matter (Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL) yet ...  :o
(I decided to read the ideas already written before ;) ...)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 20, 2008, 20:13:33
However, we "older" collectors just kind of knew that they were "Klickys" and "Klackys" ... ;)

BTW ... NEVER "Klickies" ... always "Klickys" ...   ;D

All the best,
Richard
see attachment

Is it for real? ... Why not klickies?  ???
(English isn't my native language ... I'm asking because I really don't know.)

In Brasil (and, according to Pyrrhus, Argentina) we call each klicky informally by (a) playmobil. (Latin would be "playmobil, playmobilis", with plural form in -is (or -es, though I like -is better). (I'm graduated in Latin Language ...) Portuguese gets playmobis for plural. It's a regular form, so I imagined that the regular English form could be used but ... Well: language is one of the least exact kinds of knowledge, as teach us well the Hebrews in their Babel narrative.  :)

Oh, & great deal -- by the way -- to learn about the klacky for girls! ...  :D

(One more thing, last, I hope ... Is first letter necessarily capitular, or can we use it -- formally -- without caps lock?)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Rasputin on April 20, 2008, 21:18:07
I also would like to see more diversified expansion of the pirate theme and this led me to my thought as to what could be better.

One are i would like to see playmobil increase its potential is to stop making so many themes. I would like to see larger diversity of a theme as posed to large amounts of themes . The romans for instance could have had so much more done with it , but because there is a limited production capacity it is only a hand full of set #'s . they could have held off on other themes that have been over done and opened up some manufacturing capacity to the dinosaurs or the egyptians . As important as farming is, how much do kids want it . most kids can care less about a farm or gas station . They could allways bring the themes back around in a year or so.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 20, 2008, 22:00:24
So ... WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL ?

1

It certainly was mentioned more than once: a kind of collector's special series ... I would love to get  8} a Tailor's House  8} Aaaaah!!! :yup:

&

If I could ask Geobra to make anything, I would like to see dwarfs in the likeness of the mentioned Mofreaky idea done: it's very natural, very human ... Part of humanity. Real. And great to make dwarf warriors for Tolkienish adventures too! :yup:

(I'd even like better the dwarf klickies than the moveable torsos (...).)

And have you never thought about a fat klacky? The idea ocurred to me recently. (And it occurs to me now again, mostly, I think, because the male dwarfs are made with fat klickies for men ... Maybe it would be different with women, but no clue for the moment, because there isn't a "fatty klacky" ...)

So, the dwarf klicky might add sth to Playmobil.

2

There seems to be a problem of target in Playmobil production. Series come up interesting (to adults ... medieval Old Houses, the "Victorian" collection, Romans & Egyptians) and, some time later, they seem to decline into patterns more directed to children (some absurd colours, like in the recent medieval sets, or more up-to-date life style and looks of the new Dollhouse collection ...).

A way to solve this might be to make different kinds (& colours) for different ages (and ways (...)). Children do seem to get more attracted by more colourful "things" (At least the younger ones, before they have any notion of pictoric history). It contrasts a bit with the "Victorian" collection which is very "crayon". (I like to include the Schooner Ship (3055 (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3055.htm)) among the 1900; same style.) Historic sections of toys are educative, as it was spoken above also ... And, as children grow up, some of them will like more realistic style of ... toys. Like us! ;D ;D ;D

So, maybe make the very-colourful lines for children from say ... 6-9; less colourful to children from 10 to 12? Something like.

(The 1900 series seems to have been idealized for girls, in a way: the boxes are bright pink! As a boy of 14, I was even a bit shy about buying much of that stuff. Luckily, my parents looked more to the contents than to the colour of the boxes, but, in the same way that happened to me, it may have happened to other teenagers ...)

Playmobil has been doing great things, we all agree. Maybe it's time for sorting the things out, and organizing the collections according to everyone's needs. (Including theirs, of making daily bread (and a bit more, why not?) ...) It seems only to lack a project that lasts a bit further. (Children's moods change with the next cinema & tv seasons, but History is more estable ... Adults -- uhm, most/many of us (respecting those who like the alien collection -- JUST TEASING!) -- like better the serious stuff :lol: )

Also, in the children series there would be space, I believe, for more fantastic things, such as Playmo(bil) Space ... And these things are good for everyone, because good ideas may come up from these areas.

There are also years of the XXth century, which people seem to like, and usually try to customize ... 1960s, 70s. (Imagine a "1969 Moon Collection" ... Some of us would like it, I believe ...) Customization is easily (uh ... right, maybe not that easily but at least possibly) done with klickies, but not with furniture, for example.

(My particular problem with furniture would be solved if there would be a collector's special series, where I could get a 8} a Tailor's House  8} Aaaaah!!! :yup: )

So, there's a lot of things that can be done. It's great to think about it!

 :)
G.--
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on April 20, 2008, 23:09:58
Gustavo said: "(some absurd colours, like in the recent medieval sets, or more up-to-date life style and looks of the new Dollhouse collection ...)."

hehehe,
I'm glad not to be alone in hating the red (and green) dragon knight themes!!
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 21, 2008, 00:43:59


Hello, Gustavo ...  :wave:

Is it for real? ... Why not klickies?  ???
(English isn't my native language ... I'm asking because I really don't know.)

In Brasil (and, according to Pyrrhus, Argentina) we call each klicky informally by (a) playmobil. (Latin would be "playmobil, playmobilis", with plural form in -is (or -es, though I like -is better). (I'm graduated in Latin Language ...) Portuguese gets playmobis for plural. It's a regular form, so I imagined that the regular English form could be used but ... Well: language is one of the least exact kinds of knowledge, as teach us well the Hebrews in their Babel narrative.  :)

Oh, & great deal -- by the way -- to learn about the klacky for girls! ...  :D

(One more thing, last, I hope ... Is first letter necessarily capitular, or can we use it -- formally -- without caps lock?)
      

Eu sou muito pesaroso, meu amigo.
Lo siento mucho, mi amigo.

This was posted as a joke (gracejo, chiste)!

Famobil (the Spanish franchisee) used "click" for male klickys and "clack" for female klickys.

However, there are no rules that I know of for klick, klicky, etc.

All the best,
Richard



 
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 21, 2008, 01:12:34
This was posted as a joke (gracejo, chiste)!

Famobil (the Spanish franchisee) used "click" for male klickys and "clack" for female klickys.

However, there are no rules that I know of for klick, klicky, etc.

Piada, in Port., for Eng. joke ;)
Ok, I'll come back to "miss klicky" ... :hmm: ... :lol: / G.--
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 21, 2008, 01:14:40
 :wave: olá gustavo,
já houve playmobis anões e até um playmobil um pouco gordo: pode ver as imagens.
não uso maiúsculas para poder escrever mais rápido, embora seja uma regra o seu uso on início das frases e no "eu" em inglês.
bem-vindo, espero que se divirta aqui.  :)

(translation)
playmo-dwarfes and even a slightly fat klicky have existed: you can see the images.
i don't use capital letters so thati can write faster, although as a rule you should use them in english in the beginning of sentences and in the "i".
welcome and i hope you enjou yourself here.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on April 21, 2008, 01:19:38


Hello, Gustavo ...  :wave:

Piada, in Port., for Eng. joke ;)
Ok, I'll come back to "miss klicky" ... :hmm: ... :lol: / G.--

Thank you for "piada" ... I will try to remember!

Babelfish is not always the best translation  ... ;)

All the best,
Richard

Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 21, 2008, 01:30:16
Hi, guys! :wave:

Chat is great, but I'll answer things down there at PFZ, right? (We're getting chaotically off topic, and I still have plenty to speak about nice details ... So, I'll comment there one thing and another ...)

Where ??? ?
HERE (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2192.0) :)

G.--
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 21, 2008, 17:04:58
playmo-dwarfes and even a slightly fat klicky have existed: you can see the images.
i don't use capital letters so thati can write faster, although as a rule you should use them in english in the beginning of sentences and in the "i".
welcome and i hope you enjou yourself here.[/font]

That one is a fantasy dwarf, a bit like a gnome (actually, about the size of a hobbit ...). / What I like in the Mofreaky dwarfs (hm ... he made "dwarves", in fact  ;) ...) is that they are more realistic ... They aren't only of fantasy, but can be normally used in a City Life scene, or in a 1900 scene, playing as normal dwarfs.

But these dwarfs & goblins of the Magic collection are nice too, for the purpose they have ... I particularly like dearly the one of set 3898 (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3898.htm).
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 21, 2008, 22:42:07
So, this is something else I'd like to see:

I also imagined that, if the Roman collection was extended so as to offer us Roman insulae, we could customize a Venice (and other medieval Italian cities ...) without a special "Venice" set, which is a bit too beyond reasoning to me. (To expect Roman insulae isn't ... They made an Egyptian house, after all ... And an igloo, as well.)

Roman insulae (two/three-storey buildings with flats),
& a smaller XVth century caravel :yup: :yup:

G.--
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Timotheos on April 21, 2008, 23:52:39
So, this is something else I'd like to see:

Roman insulae (two/three-storey buildings with flats),
& a smaller XVth century caravel :yup: :yup:

G.--

Roman Insulae? você quer Playmobil dar-nos casas para os pobres?

Meu amigo, nós podemos começar aquele em real-life!

Eu quero um villa com um jardim, uma fonte, e abundância do vinho!

-Tim
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: cachalote on April 22, 2008, 01:36:24
god, this is turning into a portuguese chat-room ...  :P
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 26, 2008, 15:09:28
Roman Insulae? você quer Playmobil dar-nos casas para os pobres?

Meu amigo, nós podemos começar aquele em real-life!

Eu quero um villa com um jardim, uma fonte, e abundância do vinho!

-Tim


I don't mind about a villa, but I truly thought about insulae because of the customization of a Venice ... ;)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on April 26, 2008, 15:24:32
god, this is turning into a portuguese chat-room ...  :P

Ainda que ele fale português como um alemon ...
No matter that he speaks Portoghèse like an Italian ... 8-)
(He's on his way, but still has to improve a bit ...)

I am in a much worse situation; actually, my German is a lot worse than his Portuguese. This is why I am very very happy that there is a forum in English for Playmobil! :yup: Even so, when I go to Playmobil.com, I prefer to access in German.
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on May 10, 2008, 15:40:28
Has anyone made the final list of things that we'd like to ask Geobra to do? ... I was thinking about taking that to Ty's Yahoogroup, so as to make a poll about what would be the more important item(s) (according to one majority), so as to ... refine it ;)

(Then again, I don't know how to make polls in a forum yet, while I'm very familiar with Ygs :-[ ... Ahm, maybe someone could make this poll here, instead.)

Gus
 :)
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Richard on May 10, 2008, 16:48:22



Hello, Gustavo ...  :wave:


Has anyone made the final list of things that we'd like to ask Geobra to do? ...


The only thing that I would like Geobra to do is bring back (and really expand) their Victorian (1900) theme (with more vehicles, more Steck buildings, aeroplanes, hot-air balloons, some expeditions and safaris and some Jules Verne styled adventures). And, if they wanted to throw in a French Foreign Legion fort (with Legionnaires and Arabs), that would make me a very, very happy Playmofriend for a long, long time ...  ;D

That's my "final" list ... ;)

All the best,
Richard



Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Pyrrhus on May 10, 2008, 18:22:56
Hi guys

I had a longer list, but will be boring to tell it here (and reiterative).

I was seeing past weeks the beautiful Disney's movie Fantasia (1940), and think that, however biased by my love of Ancient Greek things, perhaps it would result rather interesting for Playmobil to make the wonderful creatures of the Olympus. The movie was quite inspirational for me with respect to what can one play with Greek mythological creatures. The gnomish line can be paralelled by a faun line, centaurs can come in different colurs, one-horned cyclopes, unicorns, pegassus, villains as gryphus, hydras, Medusae, the dog Cerberus..

They seem to be difficult to play by customizing, as they use to be nude.  ??? However, those having antromorphic parts, should be made as having the possibility of being dressed, to augment the customizing possibilities...
Title: Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
Post by: Gustavo on May 10, 2008, 18:34:33
I was seeing past weeks the beautiful Disney's movie Fantasia (1940), and think that, however biased by my love of Ancient Greek things, perhaps it would result rather interesting for Playmobil to make the wonderful creatures of the Olympus. The movie was quite inspirational for me with respect to what can one play with Greek mythological creatures. The gnomish line can be paralelled by a faun line, centaurs can come in different colurs, one-horned cyclopes, unicorns, pegassus, villains as gryphus, hydras, Medusae, the dog Cerberus..

They seem to be difficult to play by customizing, as they use to be nude.  ??? However, those having antromorphic parts, should be made as having the possibility of being dressed, to augment the customizing possibilities...

You can find a centaur, in Mofreaky.com (http://www.mofreaky.com/mofreaky/page_main/main.htm), and in this gallery (http://www.mofreaky.com/mofreaky/page_galleries/pfd02/frameset.htm) you will find the head of the Medusa :o

It isn't easy thing to do, though, I agree ... That guy is a talented craftsman! :yup:

And a great nuts ... 8}

I'd love to meet him ... :lol:

G.--
 :)