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General => Report & Review => Topic started by: Martin Milner on February 20, 2008, 21:31:25

Title: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Martin Milner on February 20, 2008, 21:31:25
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd97/Martin_Milner/Crusader/box.jpg)

Just got the 4670 Crusader special, for my purposes the most interesting of the first batch of Specials for 2008.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd97/Martin_Milner/Crusader/Front.jpg)

The new helmet has a hole in the top so you could add a feather if required. I like the red cross that goes on to his white legs.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd97/Martin_Milner/Crusader/side.jpg)

The white shoulder pads and red gloves are a bonus - I didn't even notice them before I ripped open the box. Not sure how authentic the red gloves are, but people will find a use for them, and maybe Playmo'll start producing them in metal colours as gauntlets. The coif and chainmail round his neck are very useful items, and I'm sure to use these in customising some figures.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd97/Martin_Milner/Crusader/Three.jpg)

Alongside the previous crusader figures for comparison (hair on the right hand one has been changed).
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: playmofire on February 20, 2008, 22:47:20
A very impressive figure, Martin, and a great review; thank you.

I should imagine the red gloves are meant to be leather, which would certainly be cooler than metal gauntlets or chain mail gloves.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Janice on February 21, 2008, 01:06:38
Hey you guys!  Don't buy them all up  :(o): Save some for us across the ocean blue.  As far as I know they aren't here yet but I look daily  :crossed: When I find them I hope to buy about 10 of them (A lot for me) Then I will celebrate  :yippee:  I did find the new blister pack 5815 and bought several as I've always wanted that cute one with the English lion on his shield.
Loved the report on the crusader I can't wait!
Janice
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Richard on February 21, 2008, 03:30:54


Thanks for a superb review, Martin ...

This Crusader Special seems to have more parts than most of the past Specials.

And, speaking of "past Specials," your comparative photo was a nice touch!

Thanks again and all the best,
Richard
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Justindo on February 21, 2008, 04:26:41
I really like this new crusader special, however I think Playmobil made two big mistakes.  First and worst, it's unfortunate they made his legs gold instead of silver like the rest of his armor.  This makes absolutely no sense and ruins the figure in my opinion.  Second, I wish they had made a true great helm with two eye slits instead of the big bar they chose.  This is neither historical nor aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.  With these to major exceptions, I think it's a great figure.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Martin Milner on February 21, 2008, 17:31:21
I really like this new crusader special, however I think Playmobil made two big mistakes.  First and worst, it's unfortunate they made his legs gold instead of silver like the rest of his armor.  This makes absolutely no sense and ruins the figure in my opinion.  Second, I wish they had made a true great helm with two eye slits instead of the big bar they chose.  This is neither historical nor aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.  With these to major exceptions, I think it's a great figure.

Absolutely true, the gold legs are an odd choice, given his silver arms, coil, neckpiece, helmet, and shield.

I'm not so bothered about the helm, probably because it's a great improvement on most of the "fantasy" helms we've had in recent years. Helms came in a huge variety of designs, and this is at least within tolerable limits.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Sir Gareth on February 21, 2008, 20:31:34
My Crusader arrived Yesterday.

 I like the new style helmet and the print on the flag and figure and the shield is a nice piece too.

 However I don't like the red gloves and the shoulder puffs, in my opinion they don't look right on the figure at all. leave them off as spare parts and then the figure fits in nicely with the rest of the knights. I also find the gold legs an odd choice, the 2 previous crusaders are nice pleasing to the eye figures with a simple colour scheme this one is a bit of a mess I have seen better customs than this original figure.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 21, 2008, 22:20:25
Perhaps a silly question - but I am going to ask it nonetheless:

is there a figure with a white coat and silver legs (in other words: the same as this Crusaders' legs, but the gold replaced by silver ones) ?

Bogro
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Martin Milner on February 22, 2008, 10:09:44
I thought there might be one in the Roman theme, but I haven't access to my collection at the moment. Of course you'd lose the red bit from the bottom of his cross, which would be a shame.

An alternative might be to keep the gold legs, and add gold arms, coif and neckpiece from the Unicorn Knight (in the Target blister packs among other sources) to create a gold crusader.

The great helmet hasn't come out in gold yet, but it probably will one day. We're also stuck with the silver shield. Ho, hum, I'd like Playmobil to explain why they went with gold legs, it might make me dislike them less.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Customizer on February 22, 2008, 14:13:34
Hi,

thx Martin for your review !!

world greets

Andi
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: sbblabotw on February 22, 2008, 14:25:40
Perhaps a silly question - but I am going to ask it nonetheless:

is there a figure with a white coat and silver legs (in other words: the same as this Crusaders' legs, but the gold replaced by silver ones) ?

Bogro
The split-skirts don't separate from the legs in these figures, do they? Without damage, that is?
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Martin Milner on February 22, 2008, 16:05:59
No, it's a two-colour moulding, and once moulded they're one piece, mcuh like the boots or shoes on other klickies. Then the bit of the red cross is printed afterwards.
My Crusader arrived Yesterday.

 I like the new style helmet and the print on the flag and figure and the shield is a nice piece too.

 However I don't like the red gloves and the shoulder puffs, in my opinion they don't look right on the figure at all. leave them off as spare parts and then the figure fits in nicely with the rest of the knights. I also find the gold legs an odd choice, the 2 previous crusaders are nice pleasing to the eye figures with a simple colour scheme this one is a bit of a mess I have seen better customs than this original figure.

I've switched the shoulder puffs to the Pierrot who stands on my desk at work, and they look rather good on him. I agree they didn't get all the details right this time, but I''m still glad to have the Third Crusade(r).

Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 22, 2008, 16:37:29
The split-skirts don't separate from the legs in these figures, do they? Without damage, that is?

As far as I can see it's molded like that - so I don't think they are seperable  :'(

Bogro
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Customizer on February 23, 2008, 23:10:38
Hi,

ENJOY here:

http://www.klickywelt.de/kleincustom---neue-ritterbeine-t24929.html#291494 (http://www.klickywelt.de/kleincustom---neue-ritterbeine-t24929.html#291494)

Picture from Darklord !!

world greets

Andi
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 23, 2008, 23:54:43
It looks indeed better like that. Allthough he did go through a awefull lot of effort to get there  ;D

Bogro
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Timotheos on February 24, 2008, 02:11:00
I like the new-ness of the helmet, but I'm still surprised by Playmobil's lack of a really good-looking great helm.

The great helm is probably the most widely-represented helmet we see in the movies and pictures of the early crusading period, but Playmobil's versions continue to be strange-ish, whereas other creations like the pig-face helmet, the barbute, and the various sallet styles look good-ish.

-Tim-ish

Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Timotheos on February 24, 2008, 02:12:42
Well, OK, if this picture I find on Wikipedia is representational, the special's great helm isn't so bad afterall.

-Tim
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Rasputin on February 25, 2008, 01:10:34
Did darklord paint the gold or the red ? I  like the all silver Crusader better. 
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 25, 2008, 06:26:19
Worse, Rasputin.

He took feet with silver legs and dremmeled the trousers away.
Then he took the original pair of legs and dremmeled the feet away and then glued them together!

Wonderfull result - but a awefull lot of work!!!

Bogro
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Martin Milner on February 25, 2008, 08:01:29
Worse, Rasputin.

He took feet with silver legs and dremmeled the trousers away.
Then he took the original pair of legs and dremmeled the feet away and then glued them together!

Wonderfull result - but a awefull lot of work!!!

Bogro

Plus you lose a pair of legs along the way...

Wonderful result, but what a shame Playmo couldn't get it right themselves.

'd love to know why they chose gold legs.
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Rasputin on February 25, 2008, 15:35:14
Well that is an awful lot of work especially if you play on getting 20 or so to add to a castle. Did somebody allready answer the question if those legs came in silver ? then all you have to do is add the red mark .
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Richard on February 26, 2008, 02:33:31

Well that is an awful lot of work especially if you play on getting 20 or so to add to a castle.

I agree, Rasputin ...

Seems like some silver paint would do the trick ... and, do it a lot quicker ... and, a lot easier !!!

And, if you use silver from "Fusion," it shouldn't ever crack, peel or rub off ... :)

All the best,
Richard



Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 26, 2008, 10:16:19
mmm - what's that "Fusion", Richard? You've cindled my interests ...

Bogro
Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: Richard on February 26, 2008, 15:30:39

Hello, Bogro ...

mmm - what's that "Fusion", Richard? You've cindled my interests ...

Bogro

Cap'n Henry has painted several Playmobil Pirate Ships with "Fusion" and he says it's GREAT !!!

Click HERE (http://www.krylon.com/main/product_template.cfm?levelid=5&sub_levelid=10&productid=1751&content=product_details) for more information ... Or, ask Cap'n Henry ... :)

All the best,
Richard

Title: Re: 4670 Crusader Special 2008
Post by: CountBogro on February 26, 2008, 18:11:49
Thanks Richard, but I'm afraid that it isn't a product I can get here locally. I will try and ask some collegues next week - they should know more ...

Bogro