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Title: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 17, 2020, 08:33:33
Head on to the usual place for a list (in spanish) of some sets..

Link at amclicks (http://amclicks.org/foro/novedades-playmobil/nuevo-catalogo-ds-alemania-2021/)

.. including vikings and... A FIRE HORSE! :o

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: leefert on August 17, 2020, 16:36:29
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: PlaymoFrankJon on August 17, 2020, 19:24:03
No pics, yet  8}
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on August 18, 2020, 18:20:06
For those who, like me, speak not the Espanol but find Google Translate indispensible;

-9857: Business premises
-9858: Pharmacy Accessories
-9859: Post Office Accessories
-9860: Delivery man with car
-9861: Florist in spring
-9862: Vacationers
-9863: Walkers in Autumn
-9864: Child with sled in winter
-9865: birthday party accessories
-9866: Additional bungalow for beach hotel
-9867: Gym
-9868: pirate room
-9869: Princess Room
-9870: Additional space for recreation center
-9871: Zoo restaurant with shop
-9872: White tiger family
-9872: Kangaroo Family
-9874: Raccoon Family
-9875: royal kitchen
-9876: Royal couple
-9877: Royal couple and child prince
-9878: Horsemen with ponies
-9882: Fire Horse Rider
-9883: Leader of the Pirates
-9884: Three Pirates
-9885: Captain
-9886 - Three soldiers
-9887: Concrete mixer
-9888: Excavator
-9891: Viking Drakkar
-9892: Viking chief
-9893: Three Vikings
-9894: Witch (Halloween)
-9895: Vampire (Halloween)
-9896: Ghost (Halloween)
-9897: Scarecrow (Halloween)
-9898: Truck with container

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 22, 2020, 07:49:30
White tigers!!! Must get for niece. Maybe raccoons too.  :P
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 25, 2020, 14:00:29
Some pics available...

Seems mostly they went to boxes of existing klickys and selected some... Though the ones in the drakkar seem new? I wanna see those torsos better!

The indian camp with the viking tent.. mind boggles. Wallet happy.

No pics of everything yet....
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: bml87 on August 25, 2020, 15:27:42
Hello there! Yes, I'm still alive and I'm planning my comeback ;D . I just couldn't resist answering to this topic, I believe the pictures that are now available on Amclicks are the "prototypes". I can't believe the majority of these sets are finished products...
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 25, 2020, 15:28:09

The indian camp with the viking tent.. mind boggles. Wallet happy.


That whole set makes no sense. Totem poles are pacific northwest. The scenery is apparently southwest (with the cactus on rock formation). The clothing is wrong for both regions. And then there are the tents.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on August 25, 2020, 17:39:21
 :doh: Well at least we now have proof the Vikings did discover America first.
Playmobil has a long standing inability to understand that there is more than one Native American culture. The last Indian series did the same thing - mixing Northwestern, Plains and Southwestern cultures.

Toy boat with a brown hull - don't think I have seen that before?
Nice to see the cement mixer truck back again, still need one of those some time. Always good to see the Drakkar available.
Does the beach hotel bungalow have furniture? There isn't any in the photo and no hotel room set listed.
Pretty bland so far, but maybe the figure sets and Halloween will be more interesting?
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on August 25, 2020, 18:53:18
Mixing Indian cultures has been standard in Playmobil from the beginning. It is a result of German Karl May-ism, in other words a romanticisation of the Indians by a culture with no real experience of them. Things get jumbled together in the imagination and striking elements are combined to heighten the power of the image. You can see totem poles next to wigwams in several of the films based on May:

(https://i.imgur.com/HHvcWjk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6RxHoSv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/27lSrhR.jpg)

(see upper right corner of that last picture)

What this means is that Playmobil Indians aren't a representation of real Indians, they are a representation of Indians as they appear in the German popular imagination.

I think this is a point worth emphasizing in discussions of representation in toys etc. of the sort we have around here from time to time. PM Indians are incorrect with respect to reality, but they are not wrong per se - they are in fact doing exactly what they were designed to do: express the German imagining of Indians. Depicting a culture's image of another culture is just as "real" as depicting that culture directly; it's a real depiction of that image, not of that other culture. That image might need updating or what have you but if so it must be addressed at that level.

Coincidentally I was recently looking through a book of Pacific Northwest Indian art - lots of lovely totem poles among other things - and there are a few sculptures depicting Europeans, in other words the Indian imagination of us! Of course they were responding directly to experiences with European-Americans and not a series of pulp novels about them!  :)

Here's an example:

(https://i.imgur.com/3PapXMe.jpg)

All that being said, I would certainly LOVE to see accurate depictions of specific Indian cultures, and other cultures as well. I think such sets would be massively popular with audiences who know not of Playmobil.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on August 25, 2020, 19:06:24
Just looked at the pics - the viking tents with Indians isn't a May-ism, I think it's just the sloppiness we've seen for a number of years now. Just a lack of caring. Note too that one of the Vikings has a buffalo headdress (buffalo in Norway  :lol:) not to mention a Vikingette with no head protection.  :doh:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 25, 2020, 19:11:23
When I first saw the pics, my idea was fakes too - but considering the source, I thought they were probably legit...

The klickys are especially odd choices...

And yes, the playmoindians are the indians from the movies of my childhood.. so maybe that is why I don't find them abnormal.. those are the indians I grew up with as well.

Looking forward to pics of the vikings and the firehorsy, especially...

(I like the "vikingette"... well.. if done right :P )

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on August 25, 2020, 19:22:59
Vikings having visited the European mainland would have potentially had contact with European Bison (Wisent) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_bison) so actually plausible.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on August 25, 2020, 19:35:43
 :(o):
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: playmofire on August 26, 2020, 08:50:20
My wallet is safe.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: PMatt on August 26, 2020, 10:11:36
I have very little knowledge about Native cultures – the inconsistencies Ismene pointed out would have flown straight under my radar. I think what Macruran explained about the romanticization of Indians applies to most of Europe. Even then, the viking tents are a most unsightly element... if the definitive version is unchanged, that set was phoned in big time.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on August 26, 2020, 17:37:32
The Knights & Pirates are also a romanticization of reality.
Georbra is catching up though on some aspects: the new DS-Indians seem to have the more realistic (dark) Asian skin-colour.

Tahra, thanks for the news and the link to Amclicks.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on August 26, 2020, 19:53:17
The Knights & Pirates are also a romanticization of reality.
Georbra is catching up though on some aspects: the new DS-Indians seem to have the more realistic (dark) Asian skin-colour.

Right, but my point is that that romanticisation is itself a reality. Becoming "more realistic" is moving away from the romantic image towards an image that is closer to historical facts - it's swapping one idea for another idea. (The real reality is that no Indians live in the traditional ways anymore, but sets representing real modern Indians would not sell well.)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on August 27, 2020, 01:16:39
The Viking-Tents-with-the-Indians is a little odd. I assume there's a technical/cost issue with original Tee-Pee, but I'm not sure that the set would lose anything by not having the tents at all. I'd think they were left over from something, but I think they're new in white?

I'm quite fond of the 'Little Town' theme, so nice to have the empty building (though it'd be nice to have the extra floors available too, since they make a bit of a point of the inter-changeability of them).

The biggest change seems to be including figures with the sets. Not a great deal to get excited about though.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 27, 2020, 08:14:31
The "movie Indians" excuse may have worked 40 years ago. In 2020, it just comes off as lazy and insensitive. Your average modern-day child is not going to be nostalgic for old westerns. How do you sell a fantasy image to a market that has no reference for it? And on the USA site at least, these sets are being marketed as "Native Americans" not white guys with makeup and feathers (which is what most Indians in old westerns were).

The Knights & Pirates are also a romanticization of reality.
Sure, but I'd be weirded out if the knight sets came with cacti, much like I find the bananas in that Ancient Greek set discordant. Lava catapults are fantasy. Complete disregard for geography is sloppiness.

(The real reality is that no Indians live in the traditional ways anymore, but sets representing real modern Indians would not sell well.)
These are clearly meant to be set in the past. The reality of tribal lands is pretty bleak right now.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on August 27, 2020, 08:24:34
The "movie Indians" excuse may have worked 40 years ago. In 2020, it just comes off as lazy and insensitive. Your average modern-day child is not going to be nostalgic for old westerns. How do you sell a fantasy image to a market that has no reference for it? And on the USA site at least, these sets are being marketed as "Native Americans" not white guys with makeup and feathers (which is what most Indians in old westerns were).

You've not grasped my point. Saying that the PM Indians derive from Karl May is not an "excuse", it is a statement of fact. They are depicting exactly what they were meant to depict: Karl May Indians. They were never intended to depict real Indians. Ignoring this shows your insensitivity to German culture.

USA is at best tertiary market for PM, they don't really care what we think and aren't making these sets for us. And USA children stopped caring about Western toys of any kind a while ago - it's a microscopic niche market at best.

All that being said this new set IS sloppier than past sets.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 27, 2020, 08:44:21
You've not grasped my point. Saying that the PM Indians derive from Karl May is not an "excuse", it is a statement of fact. They are depicting exactly what they were meant to depict: Karl May Indians. They were never intended to depict real Indians. Ignoring this shows your insensitivity to German culture.

USA is at best tertiary market for PM, they don't really care what we think and aren't making these sets for us. And USA children stopped caring about Western toys of any kind a while ago - it's a microscopic niche market at best.

Insensitive to a toy company clinging to outdated and offensive representations of other cultures? I'm okay with that.

I know Playmobil doesn't care about the US market, but I highly doubt German kids are rushing out to watch really old westerns. What is Playmobil's target market? German senior citizens?
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Giorginetto on August 27, 2020, 09:15:05
Will be gettin a dozen of these drakkars to build up the vikings ( 400 strong) that will be in my next diorama. Emperor's iseroth comeback in hopefully 2021. I have a 200m2 storage room that i will empty and use to set it up. With 26 4 way connectors my next steck castle and city will be double the size and far more complex ! Just a matter of finding the time, impossible currently....

Playmobil vikings are superb

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 27, 2020, 09:16:29
What is Playmobil's target market? German senior citizens?

A very good question... they did say the "unboxing" is the most important part of the everwhatsit...

I don't think there is really a market for the indians and cowboys anymore, except us older collectors - when I was a kid we watched those (and pirate movies, there were those then too) almost every saturday and sunday afternoons (sometimes the dinosaurs would join us, yes)..

These days... there aren't any. I suppose they lean the pirates on Johnny Depp.... imo, there hasn't been a pirate movie since Cutthroat Island. But there was Black Sails on tv :love:  Though.. well.. not for kids, surely.  Then again...  ::)


We know they don't give a darn about older collectors... and things are more and more made to not last, not being cared for :(   Plus... they don't really want our horrid foreign money, especially.

All that said... I WOULD LOVE to be able to question whoever is responsible for these. And even more, for those disgusting everwhatsit boxes (not over that).


The biggest change seems to be including figures with the sets. Not a great deal to get excited about though.

They went to some leftover boxes and selected some, apparently. Indians have beards and all...  :-\
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on August 27, 2020, 09:39:31
I must admit I have wondered what the market is for the 'Cowboys and Indians' theme. Even when I was a kid 30 years ago there wasn't much of it about - I read the Little House books and had a picture book about the people in covered wagons, but that was it. I can't really imagine children now have any interest.

I'd say there's more 'Pirate' stuff about in terms of picture books etc.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on August 27, 2020, 12:02:20
I'm digesting all previous comments and share your dismay and surprise.

Judging by what hitherto has become known, the big change appears to be the inclusion of figures in DS sets of vehicles or buildings. That is radically new. It presumably means that from 2021 DS will no long serve to complement sets from the main catalogue (the classic example being the 3-figures army building bags to get you extra knights, romans, vikings, etc.) but will be an entirely separate product line, consisting exclusively of older material mostly disconnected from the main catalogue. The main catalogue in turn will be shaped more and more by the model of EverDreamers and Scooby-Doo! (even though I think that City Life still has some life left in it – that stuff remains popular with very small children). At any rate, "historical" and "realistic" sets are utterly doomed in mainstream Playmobil, but will linger a few years longer in DS until they pull the plug there too. The whole of DS as the relaunch of the Classic Editions (anybody knows what happened to that?), so to say, but then not as actual reissues but as thoughtless mix-ups.

It is absolutely fascinating to witness the decline of old-fashioned material toys right across the board – Lego stays afloat by cunning marketing and its dedication to the adult market, but I doubt that Geobra will be able to pull that off.

I WOULD LOVE to be able to question whoever is responsible for these.

Me too! At moments like this I do miss the PCC ...
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 27, 2020, 12:38:45
Lego stays afloat by cunning marketing and its dedication to the adult market, but I doubt that Geobra will be able to pull that off.

I believe geobra was very clear about having NO interest at all in the adult market.

Something else I would like to know - what did we (collectors) do to them? What did we do to deserve such... disdain.


Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Baron Marshall on August 27, 2020, 12:44:29
We are descended from Montauk, Powhatan, Seneca, and Cherokee Indians in this house, and we love the Playmobil Indians. FWIW
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on August 27, 2020, 13:15:15
Something else I would like to know - what did we (collectors) do to them? What did we do to deserve such... disdain.

My subjective impression is that a toxic office culture since HB's demise is killing all non-confirmative initiative – enough filters through into the newspapers to suggest unease. Mind you: he was traditional (and didn't have to innovate since the 80s/90s, ever since reaping the yields of being market leader) but his successors cannot afford to be. They know this, yet don't really see where to go next: licences, app toys, unpacking experiences  8}  But embracing innovation while respecting the back catalogue seems not to be on the cards. And those pesky collectors forever whining about the back catalogue are then just ... annoying.

On the bright side: I really, really enjoy the sets of Super 4, of "Playmobil: The Movie" and now the Greek Gods. All excellent stuff. Miraculously, somehow good things are still happening! So let's stay positive :wave:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on August 27, 2020, 13:55:34
We are descended from ... Seneca ...

 ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger


Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Baron Marshall on August 27, 2020, 14:38:38
;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_people
 ;)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on August 27, 2020, 15:46:11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_people
 ;)

 :doh:  :lol:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on August 27, 2020, 17:08:59
Judging by what hitherto has become known, the big change appears to be the inclusion of figures in DS sets of vehicles or buildings. That is radically new. It presumably means that from 2021 DS will no long serve to complement sets from the main catalogue

I think this is possibly true, but I think the inclusion of the figures into the sets is more to do with changes to how people shop than a conscious thought about the overall direction.

Obviously a lot of the DS sets have been consciously add-ons to themes, but there's also sets that don't really have a home elsewhere, and sets that clearly they just need to try and get rid of.

People on here are very aware of the difference between the DS sets, and the 'main range' but is the average buyer? I don't see any particular rational reason that the pirate/princess children's bedrooms are in the DS range rather than the regular range and featured with one of the dolls houses - and if I go to buy one of the houses on their website it will suggest a bunch of sets that as DS sets. So maybe the thinking is just that people think it's odd when a set doesn't include a figure.

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 27, 2020, 17:57:01
People on here are very aware of the difference between the DS sets, and the 'main range' but is the average buyer?

They're clueless... and then complain that it has no box.....
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on August 27, 2020, 19:34:11
Regarding Playmobil not caring about their back catalog - yes...but then it seems like we are getting a constant stream of reused parts - some of them quite ancient like the head scarf on the Scooby-Doo ghosts fortune teller. Seems like if the mold will still go in the machine they are willing to use it somewhere.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 27, 2020, 19:51:46
Well.. we have to admit these weird add ons did one thing : got some life here :P
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 28, 2020, 05:41:35
I feel like they're making sets from the spare parts boxes.

A photo of the DS packaging on the website would help avoid the "no box" disappointment. They have packaging photos for other sets on the website. A lot of the DS sets no longer look like add-ons, so clarification would help (because how many people actually read the "no box" disclaimer?).
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 28, 2020, 07:29:44
I feel like they're making sets from the spare parts boxes.

Agree. But how are THEIR spare parts boxes more limited than ours?!


A photo of the DS packaging on the website would help avoid the "no box" disappointment. They have packaging photos for other sets on the website. A lot of the DS sets no longer look like add-ons, so clarification would help (because how many people actually read the "no box" disclaimer?).

Well, regarding that, I believe that if people can't be bothered to read, it's really their problem.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on August 28, 2020, 08:17:54
Agree. But how are THEIR spare parts boxes more limited than ours?!

Because they need multiples on hand for the sets? I just wish they'd magically dig up the old parts we're looking for.

Well, regarding that, I believe that if people can't be bothered to read, it's really their problem.

But it becomes Playmobil's problem if their customer service queue becomes clogged with "Where's my box?" inquiries. It saves time to add the extra photo and assume that buyers will, at most, skim descriptions.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 28, 2020, 09:27:38
But it becomes Playmobil's problem if their customer service queue becomes clogged with "Where's my box?" inquiries. It saves time to add the extra photo and assume that buyers will, at most, skim descriptions.

Not an issue for iberia, when usually you get the immediate polite  (auto) reply from the mail server. Then, IF you're lucky, you get a mail in spanish with "please send the reference list".. whatever it was you asked.

And after that... good luck.  I spent YEARS trying to get them to fix the tax number idiocy. Nobody gave a darn, and ended up just being ignored.  If it wasn't playmobil (and so a must), I would NEVER EVER EVER even get to register in the darn site, after the tax number stupidity stopped me. I wouldn't even bother to ask about it once...

 >:( :'(

I'll shut up about this now. I'm already furious again. And sad.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on August 28, 2020, 15:33:53
What did we do to deserve such... disdain.

Judging by some of the vitriol which was posted on the PCC forum-that-wasn't-a-forum (which also seems to be what some  "adults" commonly regard as acceptable dialogue, judging by some of the posts on various other internet forums, but not PF!), I think what some collectors presented to geobra was...

disdain!
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 28, 2020, 18:09:20
Judging by some of the vitriol which was posted on the PCC forum-that-wasn't-a-forum (which also seems to be what some  "adults" commonly regard as acceptable dialogue, judging by some of the posts on various other internet forums, but not PF!), I think what some collectors presented to geobra was...

disdain!

I dunno.. I think that was more personal attacks (and some completely off the scale) between members than anything else...  or maybe that was what I remember more, because it was shocking, even to me  ::)



Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: sbblabotw on August 28, 2020, 19:32:57
...  I believe the pictures that are now available on Amclicks are the "prototypes". I can't believe the majority of these sets are finished products...
Those pictures were cropped by playdalai, the amclicks poster, from the instructions, which I was delighted to find online in that backdoor-way of finding them once I knew the sets existed.  Here they all are, with Spanish names for now. (I'll put in the official set pictures when they become available.) But the inventories are pretty much complete, since the part numbers are copy-able in bulk from the instructions. That's so helpful, it decreases my workload immensely!

DS Sets released in 2021 (as of 2020/08) (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/your_set_list.pl?setlist=9857,9858,9859,9860,9861,9862,9863,9864,9865,9866,9867,9868,9869,9870,9871,9872,9874,9875,9876,9877,9878,9879,9880,9882,9883,9884,9885,9886,9887,9888,9889,9890,9891,9892,9893,9894,9895,9896,9897,9898,9899;title=DS%20Sets%20released%20in%202021%20%28as%20of%202020%2F08%29)



Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 28, 2020, 19:42:42
Those pictures were cropped by playdalai, the amclicks poster, from the instructions, which I was delighted to find online in that backdoor-way of finding them once I knew the sets existed. 

Thank you!

There's a new ref for the fairytale palace?!  :o
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Indianna on August 28, 2020, 23:49:56
Heather, you never cease to amaze!   :hatoff:

There's a new ref for the fairytale palace?!  :o

Maybe it comes in a plain brown box or a really huge plastic bag.   ???
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on August 29, 2020, 08:53:43
... the part numbers are copy-able in bulk from the instructions. That's so helpful, it decreases my workload immensely!

We know that geobra employees use PlaymoDB in the course of their work, so maybe the company made a conscious effort to lighten your workload Heather.   :D

Er, no. 8}
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on August 29, 2020, 09:22:03
I dunno.. I think that was more personal attacks (and some completely off the scale) between members than anything else...  or maybe that was what I remember more, because it was shocking, even to me  ::)

Yes, those exchanges were not only shocking examples of bad behaviour, they took place on a platform (PCC "forum") provided by geobra, which I think shows terrible disdain, like being invited to someone else's house (remember that?) and having a stand-up shouting row with another guest about the host's choice of wallpaper.

But I remember thinking other posts were frankly rude about some company policies or actions, like talking loudly about your host's behaviour when they were a child. I cannot quote specific examples, sorry to say.

Like Lego, Geobra do want adults to buy their products (TV and Film-based themes aimed at people old enough to remember them- such as Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Scooby Doo, or themes popular when those adults were children- such as cowboys and indians clearly show this), but it is clear they don't want to hear from adults who clamour for specific themes or sets, unless those themes and sets have a wider market. Put another way, collectors are like members of the audience at a gig rather than guests at a party- their paying attendance en masse is appreciated but their opinions on the programme are unwanted.

Like you, tahra, I am still not over the axing of the PCC. However, I think the hosts have been put off inviting guests into their home again.

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: sbblabotw on August 31, 2020, 00:04:57
Thank you!

There's a new ref for the fairytale palace?!  :o

Just came online today. Here you go.

Fairy Tales Sets Released In 2020/09/15 (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/your_set_list.pl?setlist=70447,70448,70449,70450,70451,70452,70453,70454,70455;title=Fairy%20Tales%20Sets%20Released%20In%202020%2F09%2F15)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: sbblabotw on August 31, 2020, 00:52:56
We know that geobra employees use PlaymoDB in the course of their work, so maybe the company made a conscious effort to lighten your workload Heather.   :D

Er, no. 8}

You think? Regardless of motive I'll take it! Sometimes the number will arrive (via instructions) before the picture or the name, but sometimes it's the other way around... so often there are parts with no name OR no picture OR no set assignation. All (or most) will get straightened out in time, but I put up what I have, while waiting for the rest of the info. The klicky pictures seem almost never to be available online these days, so I fill those pictures in by hand.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on August 31, 2020, 11:42:51
....The klicky pictures seem almost never to be available online these days, so I fill those pictures in by hand.

And we remain forever grateful to you for all your work!

Possibly because the klickies are not available through DS (except in the UK, apparently), whereas with other parts, which may later appear in  'Find Spare Parts' have their pictures and details ready and waiting. Of course, some parts never make it to availability on DS, but it would be a quick job for geobra to delete a few parts from a comprehensive database (theirs, not yours Heather!) of all new parts.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on August 31, 2020, 20:35:12
Just came online today. Here you go.

Not there... I mean the 3019:  now appears as 9879?  playmodb link (https://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showinv.pl?setnum=9879)

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on August 31, 2020, 23:27:23
3019 is coming back as 9879??  :o :o
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on September 01, 2020, 04:24:20
That's so weird - the fact that it seems to come with the figures makes me think it's old stock, but why would they still have  sets from 15 years ago knocking around in the warehouse?!
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on September 01, 2020, 08:42:30
Well its good news for me, I've been trying to get a curtain pole for 3019 for ages!
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on September 01, 2020, 08:51:11
Not there... I mean the 3019:  now appears as 9879
3019 is coming back as 9879

It is just amazing! One of the oldest and most iconic System-X buildings brought back into production. :yippee: One figure more this time. I thought System X was too complicated for impatient modern children and their parents? At any rate, great news. Geobra never ceases to surprise me.

Perhaps it was brought back because it shares quite a few parts (in different colours, occasionally) with the recently produced 70465 Palace on Olympus?
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on September 01, 2020, 10:54:05
Well its good news for me, I've been trying to get a curtain pole for 3019 for ages!

 :lol: :lol:

I wonder what it will retail at? Mostly because the new 'Large Princess Castle' is 170 Euros, and it would be strange to market something in direct competition to it that was significantly cheaper (on the other hand, I've just noticed on the website that you can buy 70205 for 145E, or with the expansion floor and a family for 135E so maybe expecting any consistency on the pricing front is too much  :lol )
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: kenc on September 01, 2020, 11:09:25
Interesting discussion but in the end we're left with the same conclusion. Geobra's different direction is the way down, not for children but for adult collectors. It's like the story of the boiling frog. If you compare a 2020 catalog with a 2018 one, the difference is not that big, but compared with a 1994 catalog you can write a book about what went wrong (let's narrow to historical themes, some modern life stuff is still enjoyable). I cannot deny I'm currently losing interest in the hobby which shouldn't be :( Golden times for figure customizers, hard times for building customizers.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on September 02, 2020, 08:29:55
I wonder if 9879 is an experiment to see if older sets could attract modern purchasers?


Perhaps it was brought back because it shares quite a few parts (in different colours, occasionally) with the recently produced 70465 Palace on Olympus?


I think that makes sense. 70077 (Marla in the Fairytale castle) also has parts from the 3019 castle, or identical ones made with modern molds.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on September 02, 2020, 14:56:15
I wonder if 9879 is an experiment to see if older sets could attract modern purchasers?


It's certainly the largest set that's been re-issued - and one of the bigger sets that isn't wider available second hand, seemingly
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: sbblabotw on September 02, 2020, 15:21:52
And I found some more!  Just pictures for now, no other info. Looks like the Weekend Warrior was a hit... Some nice playboxes too.

New Sets 2021 - unknown as of 2020-09-02 (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/your_set_list.pl?setlist=70506,70507,70508,70509,70549,70550,70551,70552,70553,70554,70555,70556,70557,70558;title=New%20Sets%202021%20-%20unknown%20as%20of%202020-09-02)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on September 02, 2020, 15:49:37
Most of those are in the current 2020-2021 catalog. Have you reviewed that one Heather?
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: sbblabotw on September 02, 2020, 17:14:24
Most of those are in the current 2020-2021 catalog. Have you reviewed that one Heather?
Not yet obviously... I am like the cow's tail, behind, as usual. Thanks - I'll get the names and release dates from there. And when the official info comes online, I'll update them accordingly.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Luftgaengerin on September 02, 2020, 20:53:27
Thank you Heather, for all your work! Thanks Tahra, for the heads up!

Like playmofire said, my wallet is safe too. I see so many repeats, for me there's nothing really interesting till now. Some sets seem incomplete.
I like the 9879 former 3019 but it will be probably too expensive.
There is such a lot of pink, those poor ponies. But the worse are the viking tents for the indians.
I am sorry for complaining - I am so disappointed. Maybe the missing pictures will save the day...

Many greetings to you all  :wave:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on September 03, 2020, 14:58:08
:lol: :lol:

I wonder what it will retail at? Mostly because the new 'Large Princess Castle' is 170 Euros, and it would be strange to market something in direct competition to it that was significantly cheaper

9879 is already on sale! For 145,49 €

https://www.playmobil.de/traumschloss/9879.html
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: playmofire on September 03, 2020, 15:39:06
9879 is already on sale! For 145,49 €

https://www.playmobil.de/traumschloss/9879.html

Soon to be discounted no doubt.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on September 03, 2020, 15:40:33
The 2021 DS-pirates are the most ugly ones ever.  >:(
And the 2021 DS-soldiers, like the latest redcoats from the regular line: No more belts, no more collars, no more cuffs.   >:( >:(
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on September 03, 2020, 15:59:23
The 2021 DS-pirates are the most ugly ones ever.  >:(
And the 2021 DS-soldiers, like the latest redcoats from the regular line: No more belts, no more collars, no more cuffs.   >:( >:(

They're all old...  :( 

Waiting for the vikings...
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on September 03, 2020, 18:38:53
Oh, the vikings 3+1 RULE (ok, adjustments needed, but whatever)

:love: :love: :love: :love:

(yes, the howl was my wallet.. poor thing.)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on September 05, 2020, 13:41:33
Oh, the vikings 3+1 RULE (ok, adjustments needed, but whatever)

:love: :love: :love: :love:

Yes, the Vikings are much better!

Strange that for some "themes" they make very nice new designs for DS-figures, and for other themes they just rehash some old parts (and for that even use the worst ones possible)  ???  :(
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on September 05, 2020, 17:04:34
Yes the Vikings are the best, and the construction and city life stuff are solid. The rest is not very interesting. Too bad the Halloween are rehash figures and not something new. They are nice ones of course but nothing I don't already have.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on September 05, 2020, 17:28:12
Halloween are rehash figures and not something new. They are nice ones of course but nothing I don't already have.

Yes... please tell me the pumpkins are the same (those count as eggs around here  :-[ )
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on September 19, 2020, 20:11:30
That red haired viking in the 3 pack will make a fine Celt to help fight Romans  :roman:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on October 18, 2020, 17:34:09
Soon to be discounted no doubt.

The re-released "3019" = 9879 is today on sale at the German webshop in a bundle, together with the kitchen 9875 and children's room 9875, for 99 €. 8}
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Oliver on October 18, 2020, 17:39:08
The re-released "3019" = 9879 is today on sale at the German webshop in a bundle, together with the kitchen 9875 and children's room 9875, for 99 €. 8}

Honestly I have no understanding of their marketing policy. While I'm grateful for it, I can't help but compare it to Lego and their 'never reissue, never reduce' policy
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on October 19, 2020, 00:48:51
I want those kangaroos. I suppose they are not really new, but we don't have kangaroos yet.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Tiermann on October 19, 2020, 17:20:35
Actually they are sort of new Kangaroos. The old version had a straight tail. At some point the mold was replaced with the curved tail. I don't know if it has a new part number, none has been found so far.

(http://animobil.info/wit-icons/kangaroocomp.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Ismene on October 20, 2020, 08:13:58
Oh, that's interesting.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Giorginetto on November 09, 2020, 16:04:58
I want those Vikings /celts … !!! they sure look awesome !!!!

I still have the first 3 celts in a bag , 52 sets , unopened !!!! I cant wait to set all this up one day with the Playbig Viking ships as well !!! :love: :love:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on November 09, 2020, 18:45:21
You have 52 unopened Celt armybuilder packs?  :(o): :(o): :(o): :clap:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Giorginetto on November 10, 2020, 10:07:55
You have 52 unopened Celt armybuilder packs?  :(o): :(o): :(o): :clap:

52 or 54 something, over 50 for sure … I haven't touched them since I bought them as an adversary to my 800+ strong romans  :love: :love:

Prefer to use them as part of my Viking army though
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Birdie on November 16, 2020, 18:12:02
I was tempted to order the 'new' 9879 Fairy Tale Castle, because our toddler (who just turned 5!) adores anything pink and princessy, but I opted for the latest version of the princess castle 70447 instead.

(https://i.imgur.com/SySlUWM.jpg)

I know it's excessively pink, but, I don't know if I'm degenerating or... does it just look glorious to you too?  :lol: ;D

I'm imagining a huge green forest around it with magical creatures.

I ordered it and put it together, which cost me like three hours and made my fingers sore (such fun!), and I'm very disappointed with the small size of the rooms, but that was to be expected. Other than that: I think it's beautiful!  :love:

Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on November 16, 2020, 20:00:16
Nice to hear from you again Birdie. Your daughter is 5!  :o
I quite like this castle too. Those flying staircases are just so unrealistic, they must be true! Watch those turrets, they could take your eye out!
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on November 16, 2020, 20:13:30
Those flying staircases are just so unrealistic, they must be true!

We have to assume they have magic invisible handrails  :crossed:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Birdie on November 17, 2020, 11:01:00
Nice to hear from you again Birdie. Your daughter is 5!  :o

I KNOW, it's insane!

Watch those turrets, they could take your eye out!

Actually they're made of flexible plastic to prevent that exact thing from happening  ;D
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Birdie on November 17, 2020, 11:02:34
We have to assume they have magic invisible handrails  :crossed:

Also, the sun dial has only one fixed setting  :hmm:
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: GrahamB on November 17, 2020, 12:18:46
Also, the sun dial has only one fixed setting  :hmm:

Thats because time stands still when you are playing with Playmobil!
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on November 17, 2020, 12:41:39
Thats because time stands still when you are playing with Playmobil!

 ;D
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Macruran on November 17, 2020, 17:17:30
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

That sundial part was used with one of those Planeta figures, an Aztec (or Maya, I get those confused).
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: StJohn on November 18, 2020, 02:14:27
The re-released "3019" = 9879 is today on sale at the German webshop in a bundle, together with the kitchen 9875 and children's room 9875, for 99 €. 8}

When you are willing to get enough of them, 9879 can now be purchased for 69,99 € :o
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Birdie on November 18, 2020, 08:14:49
When you are willing to get enough of them, 9879 can now be purchased for 69,99 € :o

 :(o):

The bundle you were referring to earlier is also available in the Belgian webshop... for €160  ::)

I'm nitpicking here, but I actually prefer the 4250 castle to the 3019 version. The colours make it look cleaner somehow.

(https://i.imgur.com/VjDUPUf.jpg)


Plus it came with two rooms to be added (a kitchen and a treasury) on either side, and I already have those.
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: tahra on November 18, 2020, 08:39:42
I'm nitpicking here, but I actually prefer the 4250 castle to the 3019 version. The colours make it look cleaner somehow.

Keep in mind that base is ONE piece, unlike the more useful 3019..
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Birdie on November 18, 2020, 09:46:29
You're right. I'll have to get both  ;D
Title: Re: DS 2021
Post by: Hadoque on November 30, 2020, 02:50:57
does it just look glorious to you too?  :lol: ;D

I'm imagining a huge green forest around it with magical creatures.

The trickery is working  ;D


The bundle you were referring to earlier is also available in the Belgian webshop... for €160  ::)

As usual: regular prices in Germany = 'sales prices' in Belgium  ::)