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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: bhellman75 on May 31, 2013, 21:11:50
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I just bought a blacksmith shop (3442) from a seller in Germany and I wondered if anyone could interpret what it is I bought. He says it is new and unopened, but also that there are no figures. And now he has another one for sale with the same advert.
How can something be both new and unopened and yet missing original figures?
I don't know if I'm violating rules by posting the link, but I thought it might be useful.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-Blacksmith-Medieval-Knights-Castle-House-3442-NEW-LGB-Train-G-Scale/151055392549?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D8054273711475773336%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D151054758325%26
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it must be the new version of it, but Im not sure if it's available yet.
The new one comes with no figs and the other oven, not the one in the add. :hmm:
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At first I thought that it might have been an old set with parts that had not been taken out of the original packaging, but having seen Gaston's post and looking again at the listing it would appear to be the new one - the 4 - 5 week estimated delivery date is presumably because it has not been released yet.
However if so he shouldn't be showing that photo of the oven.
Elaine (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/skypurr/mgqueen.gif)
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The new blacksmith shop has an updated number too: 6329.
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yep, that add is deceiving and missleading I'm afraid to say. Im sorry bhell. :(
>:( >:(
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Have you already paid for the item? I would ask the seller if it is in fact the DS set 6329 and not set 3442.
If so, you should be in your right to cancel the transaction without paying because the item contents will not exactly match the photo and description, even when you take into account the missing figures. The seller probably hasn't noticed the slight difference in the oven and you could point it out to him and use that as justification for the cancellation.
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Will the new set become available in the US? Does anyone know when it will come out?
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Yes, it will become available in the US, but sets are normally released in the international market one year after they come out in Germany. If you want to get it ahead of time on ebay, I'd recommend getting it from a less deceptive seller, though.
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It's really too expensive (I paid $110 including shipping) for a brand new piece. The new museum and bakery are half that much.
I bought it quickly because it blew my mind that the set was available. I thought it was at least a fair deal and probably a decent one. I've only had positive experiences on eBay.
I've emailed him asking about what the set actually is and will push for a refund if it is a new set.
Thanks for everyone's support!
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The ad does say, "Please ask for a pic".
Did you ask for a picture?
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No, I rushed because it looked like a good deal. But it also identifies the piece by number, so it isn't just any Playmobil blacksmith shop. If you say 3442, it has to be 3442 in my book.
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No, I rushed because it looked like a good deal. But it also identifies the piece by number, so it isn't just any Playmobil blacksmith shop. If you say 3442, it has to be 3442 in my book.
I messaged him asking for pics of the actual product.
I'll share when I get them.
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At first glance the listing seems designed to lure the collectors or fans who don't know about the reissued set. If he has photos of the actual item, he should have included them rather than just tell buyers to ask for them. On the other hand, he could just be lazy or not wanting to pay extra gallery fees. But to use the old set number and not once mention the DS one is highly suspicious and deliberately misleading, if indeed this is set 6329 he's selling. The number would be clearly marked on the item when he originally received it. Maybe he has opened it and placed the contents in a new unmarked bag.
You paid well in excess of the purchase price it will be when it becomes available in the US and that must hurt. It happened to me a few times when I was first starting to buy Playmo on eBay too.
I hope the seller has a conscience and that you have success getting your money back.
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Just noticed this near the bottom of the page so I think you will be OK if you act quickly. :)
I am a professional seller complying all EU laws,
you can cancel the deal and send back goods if you are not
satisfied ! Money back !
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good luck getting your refund, I didnt know the DS set was available already in germany.
I'd gues that even when imported you could get it a lot cheaper in a month or so. I'd advice to ask a playmofriend from germany to help you out.
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Did u paid paypal? Just do a claim to them and explain the Situation. Paypal and Ebay are teh same company.. Tell them its a missleading add and offer.. Tell them the Seller dont answer ur question poperly.. u should be able to get it back.. Buyer protection..
by the way this seller is famous to sell DS addons..
edit: merged two posts together
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The response:
"hi,
here catalog picture,
will assemble one tomorrow
to see live pic,
kind regards markus"
And the attached picture in his email to me:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8407/8913167113_344b61e3d5_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8913167113/)
schmiede2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8913167113/) by voiceofrevolt (http://www.flickr.com/people/27296563@N06/), on Flickr
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Scroll down to see my question.
From: schupf18
To: bhellman75
Subject: Re: Details about item: bhellman75 sent a message about Playmobil Blacksmith Medieval Knights Castle House 3442 NEW LGB Train G Scale #151055392549
Sent Date: Jun-01-13 02:04:56 PDT
Dear bhellman75,
6329
- schupf18
From: bhellman75
To: schupf18
Subject: Details about item: bhellman75 sent a message about Playmobil Blacksmith Medieval Knights Castle House 3442 NEW LGB Train G Scale #151055392549
Sent Date: May-31-13 17:57:22 PDT
Dear schupf18,
Is this really the vintage 3442 set or is it the newly released blacksmith shop, 6329?
- bhellman75
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I told him this was misleading and asked for a refund.
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A fraudulent listing.
Ebay buyer protection and paypal's policies will be your "friend" in this one.
If he says he's going to be assembling one today, then he must have them.
As for the weeks of delivery, that's surface mail.
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but to be honest, when i see the listing again.. issnt it a bit ur own fault? he wrote that he got 3-4 of it? that would gimme to think straight away..
A fraudulent listing.
Ebay buyer protection and paypal's policies will be your "friend" in this one.
If he says he's going to be assembling one today, then he must have them.
As for the weeks of delivery, that's surface mail.
it should be avaible in munich in the DS shops already.. maybe from there
edit: merged two posts together
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but to be honest, when i see the listing again.. issnt it a bit ur own fault? he wrote that he got 3-4 of it? that would gimme to think straight away..
The seller showed a false picture and listed the set as the same stock number as the picture. Some fine print states to ask for a picture of the item and there are no figures included but does not state the picture shown is not what is being sold nor does it state the listed stock number is not what is being sold. Legally that is fraud.
Noun
Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
A person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
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but to be honest, when i see the listing again.. issnt it a bit ur own fault? he wrote that he got 3-4 of it? that would gimme to think straight away..
HIS fault the listing is misleading... if not a LIE? are you serious??
:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
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I think Mike1003 has a lot of experience with Playmobil and eBay listings so he will pick up on things that others would never pick up on.
It is like an "experienced eye" in something. I picked up on those too, but you still hope it could be true - and potentially it could be. The amount of times Squadron Hobby Shop has come across old Atlantic toy soldier sets from warehouse stock is amazing (I only wish I would have bought more than I did seeing the prices they sell for today).
It's still fraud and I did report the listing to ebay as such.
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Here are the subsequent images the seller sent me:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8128/8914572750_7528e250ac_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8914572750/)
josh zeugnis 010 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8914572750/) by voiceofrevolt (http://www.flickr.com/people/27296563@N06/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8264/8914571528_f52e69bb70_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8914571528/)
josh zeugnis 012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8914571528/) by voiceofrevolt (http://www.flickr.com/people/27296563@N06/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7446/8913952251_dfc3fb65c0_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8913952251/)
josh zeugnis 017 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27296563@N06/8913952251/) by voiceofrevolt (http://www.flickr.com/people/27296563@N06/), on Flickr
It does look like a good set and I am anxious to be able to get a few after seeing these new pictures.
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He refunded the full amount.
It's true that I jumped on the purchase, but if the vintage set did pop up for that amount, you'd have to jump. I got a 3666 for $50 that way when they normally get up to $100+.
It's a good lesson, but I'm sure eBay/Paypal would have found his advert to be fraudulent and would have forced the refund anyway.
And it does look like a great set. I will certainly get it when it comes out.
Dear bhellman75,
ok
- schupf18
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From: bhellman75
To: schupf18
Subject: Re: Details about item: bhellman75 sent a message about Playmobil Blacksmith Medieval Knights Castle House 3442 NEW LGB Train G Scale #151055392549
Sent Date: Jun-01-13 09:00:30 PDT
Dear schupf18,
I want a refund. That was very misleading. The sets are not identical and the 6329 is going for 34 Euro. I would not have paid as much as I did for the new release.
- bhellman75
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So glad you were able to get your money back! That was definitely a fraudulent ad. He is probably so good about refunding people who catch him at it in hopes they won't report him.
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Well, I did report him. I don't know how much they will look into it, but he shouldn't be doing that.
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It's truly a beautifull set and I can't wait for it to become available here in the Netherlands. :)
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Well, I did report him.
Good!
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It's truly a beautifull set and I can't wait for it to become available here in the Netherlands. :)
Yes it is. However, why did they change the stickers in such a dramatic way? Now there are no words - just pictures. (Another way to help perpetuate the false idea that medieval people were so backward and uneducated and could not read ... ?! - even if that is unintentional and they just want an "international" edition instead of a German language sign and then people complaining the sign in not in "their" language.) Why the same house front from the 7379 Yellow Framework house? Why not a different colour altogether! Why not the shutter, instead of a framed window?
Why the choice of oven?!?! Why not make an entirely new updated medieval forge!
Yeah, they most likely wanted to save money and just use what they already have.
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I have the same reaction to the removal of words from the sign, but in terms of it being a larger pattern, they did leave the German on the bakery update. It's kind of terrifying to think of a bunch of suits sitting around a boardroom arguing over whether Bäckerei is more acceptable than Schmiede to the international market.
However, here's a question -- is the new forge really not as good as the old one? I just bought an old one for really too much money, so I definitely wanted one, but in terms of looks, the new one is more intricate. It has more texture and color to it. I would think that would make it more expensive for them to make. I think the old one looks more like something from a workshop, which is why I like it, but I don't think it's exactly right.
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(Another way to help perpetuate the false idea that medieval people were so backward and uneducated and could not read ... ?! -
I don't know who you think has that idea... I think most people are quite aware that medieval people were by no means cave people.
Like you said, I'm sure they just wanted to make it have better international appeal without printing the sign in multiple languages.
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I don't know who you think has that idea... I think most people are quite aware that medieval people were by no means cave people.
Surely you remember the discussions on here where people did not even think medieval people wore shoes or understood about pollution or the use of toilets. :-[
As for "cavemen":
“To-day all our novels and newspapers will be found to be swarming with numberless allusions to the popular character called a Cave-Man. He seems to be quite familiar to us, not only as a public character but as a private character. His psychology is seriously taken into account in psychological fiction and psychological medicine. So far as I can understand, his chief occupation in life was knocking his wife about, or treating women in general with what is, I believe, known in the world of the film as 'rough stuff.' I have never happeend to come upon the evidence for this idea; and I do not know on what primitive diaries or prehistoric divorce-reports it is founded. Nor, as I have explained elsewhere, have I ever been able to see the probability of it, even considered a priori. We are always told without any explanation or authority that primitive man waved a club and knocked the woman down before he carried her off. But on every animal analogy, it would seem an almost morbid modesty and reluctance, on the part of the lady, always to insist on being knocked down before consenting to be carried off. And I repeat that I can never comprehend why, when the male was so very rude, the female should have been so very refined. The cave-man may have been a brute, but there is no reason why he should have been more brutal than the brutes. And the loves of the giraffes and the river romances of the hippopotami are affected without any of this preliminary fracas or shindy.”
― G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man
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he strikes back :)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Playmobil-NEW-3740-3055-vintage-victorian-Marine-Schooner-Ship-/151055968524
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he strikes back :)
Oooooh! What a sneak.
See how he hides the DS set number on the instruction booklet under a casually arranged bag of parts. >:(
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Oooooh! What a sneak.
See how he hides the DS set number on the instruction booklet under a casually arranged bag of parts. >:(
That is REALLY fraud. Not ignorance. If he didn't mention the old set numbers... it's a buyer's beware thing... Like this... >:(
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he strikes back :)
and again
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-NEW-vintage-Oldtimer-Truck-Car-like-4083-5640-LGB-Train-G-Scale-L-G-B/151058006993?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D8160575861079076531%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D151055392549%26 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-NEW-vintage-Oldtimer-Truck-Car-like-4083-5640-LGB-Train-G-Scale-L-G-B/151058006993?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D8160575861079076531%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D151055392549%26)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-Train-Oil-Tanker-Car-factory-NEW-LGB-G-Scale-L-G-B-/150946725864?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2325203fe8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-Train-Oil-Tanker-Car-factory-NEW-LGB-G-Scale-L-G-B-/150946725864?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2325203fe8)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-vintage-MUSEUM-Framework-House-factory-NEW-LGB-Train-G-Scale-L-G-B-/150978881955?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item23270ae9a3 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-vintage-MUSEUM-Framework-House-factory-NEW-LGB-Train-G-Scale-L-G-B-/150978881955?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item23270ae9a3)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-NEW-Blacksmith-Medieval-Knights-ancient-Castle-House-LGB-Train-G-Scale-/151056033704?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item232ba427a8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Playmobil-NEW-Blacksmith-Medieval-Knights-ancient-Castle-House-LGB-Train-G-Scale-/151056033704?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item232ba427a8)
IMO, Playmobil Company should not sell anymore to this guy...
Playmo_80
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well.. thats ok.. no setnumbers :) nothing missleading on those
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IMO, Playmobil Company should not sell anymore to this guy...
Well, don't forget playmobil refuses to sell to a LARGE part of the world. So, if they don't, there BETTER be someone who does.
well.. thats ok.. no setnumbers :) nothing missleading on those
Well, I think it IS meant to mislead. Like Sylvia noted, the parts covering the set ref consistently can NOT be a coincidence. But then again, it is not the seller's responsability to teach the buyer to save money. Research is the buyer's responsability.
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Oooooh! What a sneak.
See how he hides the DS set number on the instruction booklet under a casually arranged bag of parts. >:(
He does the same thing with the museum and the blacksmith shop. It's amazing how the numbers keep getting conveniently covered.
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See how he hides the DS set number on the instruction booklet under a casually arranged bag of parts. >:(
I noticed that, too!
well.. thats ok.. no setnumbers :) nothing missleading on those
No it's not ok. Yes, he has covered himself so that he is not TECHNICALLY making any false claims, so that next time he tricks someone, he won't have to refund them. But he is still trying to trick people into buying one item thinking they are getting something else, and that is dishonest and just wrong.
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I actually enjoying every Year the same Conversations here.. The point is simple. U dont need to buy anuything on Ebay. Most of us are PCC Members here.. so they should know when the Stuff will be out and they should take extra care about a month before the official sale starts.. maybe ask in the forum for advice?
My point is, when i wanna sell the Stuff, i can do it. I dont need to show any Set Numbers.. Thats way behind the point of ebay.. the Picture of the Actual Item is important, nothing else..
And when a Seller offers 5 Sets of a old Set.. well its ur own fault when u dont investigate first, we are all Adults here (most of us)
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The point is simple. U dont need to buy anuything on Ebay.
It's OK for you to say that; you're in Germany and have access to new items as they come out.
Those of us here at Playmofriends could ask a fellow member in Germany to help but others most probably have no contact in Germany so if they want the item ebay is the only option.
Sellers such as this one know this.
Perhaps if ds items had worldwide release this type of thing wouldn't happen. ???
Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
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Perhaps if ds items had worldwide release this type of thing wouldn't happen. ???
THAT is the point. Playmobil ignores most of the world. So, those need to resort to ebay.
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do u really need the items on release date?
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I don't mean on the release date, I mean EVER.
(though... some I DO need on the release date :-[ )
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And when a Seller offers 5 Sets of a old Set.. well its ur own fault when u dont investigate first, we are all Adults here (most of us)
So when someone is victim of a CRIME, it's their own fault for not being carefull enough? Please! ::) ::) ::)
Im surprised by some collectors defending this activities. :hmm:
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Just asked the Dutch DS service when they get all that stuff, wont be untill Januari. :(
I'd really like to get it faster since I could really use the blacksmith and museum for the next story which needs some more houses. Could still order the museum of course, but was kind of hoping to order it all at once along with some other items like the schooner.
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ohhh that guy. I know him very well. He has been doing this for years. ::)
I was reading the first postings of this thread and immediately thought about him selling that new cargo truck as being something really old lol. He's asking double the money.
I just bought 3 of them trucks and some other stuff from DS Germany, much cheaper ROFL. Have a contact in Germany, that i can ship it too and he delivers it too me :love: ;D :love: I hope they make it saturday ;D
I agree with Mike though, only fools and ignorant ones can be tricked by sellers like these. (no disrespect meant ;-) )
See it very often, selling complete items, but obviously missing parts or having wrong accesories or klickies..... i'm still hunting for some very hard to find sets, but most of them are junk or false :-\ :'(
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I agree with Mike though, only fools and ignorant ones can be tricked by sellers like these. (no disrespect meant ;-) )
See it very often, selling complete items, but obviously missing parts or having wrong accesories or klickies..... i'm still hunting for some very hard to find sets, but most of them are junk or false :-\ :'(
Unfortunate choice of words if no disrespect is meant. ::) However, when one learns about a scam and it becomes familiar, it is easy to forget that it was once effective. I'll notice it if I see it again. I've bought all of my Playmobil on eBay and encountered nothing like this. I've bought from many, many sellers. This has never been a problem.
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ohhh that guy. I know him very well. He has been doing this for years. ::)
I agree with Mike though, only fools and ignorant ones can be tricked by sellers like these. (no disrespect meant ;-) )
See it very often, selling complete items, but obviously missing parts or having wrong accesories or klickies..... i'm still hunting for some very hard to find sets, but most of them are junk or false :-\ :'(
The real meaning of ignorant is to not know. However, vernacular English has come to mean this term as being stupid.
Regardless, no one knows anything until they have been taught.
To blame consumers who get conned by this type of "person" is like calling those who do not have a high literacy rate stupid.
Recent stats have stated around 25%of adults can read properly read newspaper headlines.
Are these a 25% we can, in good conscience, prey upon?
I've been ridiculed on this site too for pointing out auctions that are deceptive and deceitful.
In a way it's like the professor who is so used to his subject matter he can't comprehend why his students don't get what he is lecturing about as HE is the one who is so far removed from the real situation. He just has to stop, step back and remember what it was like when he first started to learn at the same level.
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I've been ridiculed on this site too for pointing out auctions that are deceptive and deceitful.
and again, there is nothing what this supports. As long he says: the truck is vintage (well its a vintage style or do u see a truck made like that these days??) and no fantasy set numbers.. all is ok.. the only thing whats not ok is with the schooner..
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But we should stop to argue about that. For me its ok when the Seller does a bit profit. Its like 10% ebay fees, 5 % paypal fees etc
when the item costs 20 euro in buying and he is selling for 40 euros.. profit is maybe 10 euros.. (its paid in advance - risk of not selling - et..) and its not like he sells 3333333333..
target and other shops do the same.. buying it cheaper and sell to retail prices etc.. there is no difference..
Maybe it sounds hard and harsh.. but again, u dont need to buy it
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I have no problem whatsoever with ebay sellers making a profit. All business is based on making profit, of course! I just have a problem with people who make a profit by dishonest means. And purposely trying to deceive those who don't know any better into thinking they are getting something they are not, is dishonest.
I'd like to point out that many hardened criminals blame their victims for being "stupid enough to be preyed upon." One should be very careful with that type of thinking.
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I have no problem whatsoever with ebay sellers making a profit. All business is based on making profit, of course! I just have a problem with people who make a profit by dishonest means. And purposely trying to deceive those who don't know any better into thinking they are getting something they are not, is dishonest.
I'd like to point out that many hardened criminals blame their victims for being "stupid enough to be preyed upon." One should be very careful with that type of thinking.
:clap: :clap: my thoughts exactly
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Unfortunate choice of words if no disrespect is meant. ::) However, when one learns about a scam and it becomes familiar, it is easy to forget that it was once effective. I'll notice it if I see it again. I've bought all of my Playmobil on eBay and encountered nothing like this. I've bought from many, many sellers. This has never been a problem.
My statement was meant in general and not personal. When it was personal, that would be disrespectfull.
Don't forget, i'm Dutch and i, but i think also the Dutch in general are pretty straight forward. We say what we think or feel, and don't hold back.
I realise that cultural differences may cause some of my remarks being understood in a different manner as i meant. I'll keep that in mind next time ;-)
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quite familiar with it, being dutch as well.
Things tend to turn ugly on dutch forums far more often than I'd like.
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My statement was meant in general and not personal. When it was personal, that would be disrespectfull.
Don't forget, i'm Dutch and i, but i think also the Dutch in general are pretty straight forward. We say what we think or feel, and don't hold back.
I realise that cultural differences may cause some of my remarks being understood in a different manner as i meant. I'll keep that in mind next time ;-)
Your point is well made. I must remember that we are from many cultures on this site, which is really quite exciting and nice. :)