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Creative => Customs Gallery => Topic started by: cheng on February 27, 2012, 04:23:58
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Comparing Cowabounga's beautiful (Western Knights) heraldies and this Samurai 'Mon' (also printed by Cowabounga :love:),
Japanese Mons are more simple and monochromatic.
The Samurai were not too concerned with exclusivity of their Mons which were just for indentification on battle fields. ;D
The "Katabami" type of Mon is made up of heart-shaped leaves that form a flower,
used by Sakai, Mimura, Chosokabe, Matsudaira, Tokugawa(1829) samurai(s).
This particular Mon, the "Ken-Katabami"
is also known as the "Ronins' Mon"
(a Ronin is a masterless samurai)
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Your attention to detail & knowledge of history is fantastic, cheng! I learn something everytime you show us a new creation! :wow:
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youre most welcome Bill!
(if I can read Japanese, there'll be more I myself can learn too :P)
I know you can identify this piece, Bill.... but any ladies here can say what this is? (not referring to the leaves) ;)
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They look awesome!!
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Very impressive, cheng, and thanks, too, for the background information. But if different samurai used the same insignia, wasn't there a risk that an enemy would kill the wrong one? And did it ever happen that two samurai using the same insignia might be fighting on different sides?
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Very impressive, cheng, and thanks, too, for the background information. But if different samurai used the same insignia, wasn't there a risk that an enemy would kill the wrong one? And did it ever happen that two samurai using the same insignia might be fighting on different sides?
very good question indeed...its possible that may happen,
even though there are so many variations, some more rational, to identify their lords, some, very personal, the samurai's personal or family crest...so its a sea of different flags, just to help identify the samurai or his soldiers but at least one can spot where cheng is (assuming he carried a Geobra logo) ;D
...2 drawings here to illustrate the confusion ;)
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but at least one can spot where cheng is (assuming he carried a Geobra logo) ;D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
...2 drawings here to illustrate the confusion ;)
Yep, certainly very confusing! The second picture suggests that the samurai would have made good Playmobil fans in their willingness to mix different periods.
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Great pictures! Really love the klicky's and also the interesting background info.
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Oh! You posted them already! I must say they're a fairly good addition to your already wonderful customs. Didn't I print these mons on a black background?
BTW, I know what the golden part in the picture is… girls, the shape of the hole in the middle is a good hint as to what this is!
A.
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I know you can identify this piece, Bill.... but any ladies here can say what this is? (not referring to the leaves) ;)
This lady's been trying to work out what it is ??? I feel I ought to know but I've had to give up :lol:
Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
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.....Didn't I print these mons on a black background?
BTW, I know what the golden part in the picture is… girls, the shape of the hole in the middle is a good hint as to what this is!
the background was black but had a tinge of blue and while my PVC sheet was grey and somehow my camera & neon lighting plus my computer's auto correction just resulted in this blue hats :P
makes a good medallion but I wonder why the second hole was filled up...wonder if our Kendo expert knows why ;)
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I'm trying to figure out what on earth that thing is, but I'm stumped!
Great customs, btw! :)
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our last hope is when Tahra wakes up.....maybe some of you might like to turn the 'medallion' upside down and the hole might make more sense (although the photo is already with the correct side up)
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.....maybe some of you might like to turn the 'medallion' upside down and the hole might make more sense ...
All over the world women are standing on their heads trying to work out what it is... :lol:
Should have said, :-[ the customs are excellent Cheng :clap: :clap:
Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
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Chris looked at me really funny a couple of minutes ago when I picked up my laptop and held it upside down! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8}
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Chris looked at me really funny a couple of minutes ago when I picked up my laptop and held it upside down! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8}
I'm glad I wasn't the only one :-[ :lol: :lol:
Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
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All over the world women are standing on their heads trying to work out what it is... :lol:
Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
no wonder I thought I felt some tremors but not enough to wake Tahra up :lol:
and thanks Elaine! (most of the credit should go to Cowabounga-Arnaud ;) )
why dont we pass the heat back to the men
....any man not recognising what this 'medallion' is yet? (but dont reveal the answer yet....)
....be honest...btw, silence is not a 'Yes' ;) :lol: :P
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Cool customs! :)
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Me? I'm not sure what's to ID - that shield looking thing?
If it's not a shield... I don't know... :(
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ah, she's awake...maybe not fully :lol: ;D
well everyone...the diameter's probably less than 4 inches...almost every samurai has at least one ;)
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What ARE we trying to ID?
(I'm confused. Maybe you're right and I'm not fully awake :P )
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our last hope is when Tahra wakes up.....maybe some of you might like to turn the 'medallion' upside down and the hole might make more sense (although the photo is already with the correct side up)
Turning things upside down to make sense of them reminds me of being back at work with the management we had!
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its a 'Tsuba' or hand guard...hope its ok to show these 2 pics here, otherwise, MODs, please delete or tell me to :P
...ask we can see...the narrow/sharp/cutting edge of the sword is facing upwards (most western single-sided cutting edge swords would be hung/worn with the cutting edge facing down....hope I'm not causing a new confusion here? :P)
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Ah, all is understood now, cheng - I can see what it is.
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but I'm still curious as to why they filled up the second hole in both the metal handguards photos ???
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That was my guess! Though I learnt the name just now. Thanks Cheng, you unfathomable pit of Culture!
A.
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Amazing! :wow:
As always I love your customs Cheng! :clap:
Very impressive, cheng, and thanks, too, for the background information. But if different samurai used the same insignia, wasn't there a risk that an enemy would kill the wrong one? And did it ever happen that two samurai using the same insignia might be fighting on different sides?
My guess, Gordon,
is that very much the same thing happened with the Samurai and their insignias,
as what happened with the knights of Medieval Europe had to do with their Heraldry.
Knights in medieval Europe would be able to recognize, just from looking,
what heraldry belonged to who.
This was due to a combination of study, and of meeting people on the battle field.
Knights would have to know the heraldry of their lord, their vassals,
their fellow knights from the nearby provinces
(baronies, dukedoms, and counties, as well as minor noble's lands),
And any family friends or enemies.
You would begin learning at a very early age, most likely when you were a page.
Since even most of the nobility couldn't read and write
until the later parts of the medieval times,
Their squires and pages would have to learn the heraldry of different knights
in order to pass along letters or gifts from their lord, to the right person.
And this was done,
Even in the SCA (the medieval recreational group I attend)
people know the heraldry of all the knights in their own kingdom
and the heraldry of some of the larger household from all over the society.
At a large war last year I was able to listen while my Baron pointed out and named,
Not only the households, but some of the people in the households
and the heraldry of more prominent knights.
So my guess is that the samurai had to do much the same.
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thanks too WOT, for sharing your knowledge!
interesting to know these parallels existed then, across the vast seas without internet connection ;)
...likewise in Samurai armies, starting with the Shogan, then daimyos, これは死にあなたを退屈させるでしょう :P
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Aye, but there were still many differences between feudal Japan and Medieval Europe. :lol: