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Title: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on September 28, 2010, 18:41:39
why these new castles don't have a house ??  ???
 



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Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Andy R on September 28, 2010, 18:48:11
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To get you to buy the buildings.
(I don’t blame them, really, no profit=no company, therefore no PM Friends.)
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: basilsdad on September 28, 2010, 19:28:20
Please excuse my ignorance,  :-[  I am not really that familiar with System X, but aren't the new castles System X and the houses, steck.  Can you combine the two or would they have to make a System X house?  ???
Joe 
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 28, 2010, 19:37:03
Please excuse my ignorance,  :-[  I am not really that familiar with System X, but aren't the new castles System X and the houses, steck.  Can you combine the two or would they have to make a System X house?  ???
Joe 

There is a piece that can combine Sytem X and Steck (to my knowledge...)
But the new castles are neither Sytem X, nor Steck. :-\
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Wolf Knight on September 28, 2010, 19:50:13
Yes its true the new castles have no houses so that you can buy add ons from playmobil DS. On the other hand, the new castles are a hybrib between sytemx and steck!!! A piece of wall has one side as a system x and the other as a steck.... Have not experimented a lot yet but I soon will, and will show you in my review, how far we can go with steck pieces...

And keep in mind that playmobil is a toys for children...having no houses, like the old castles, makes playing easier I think for the kids...
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: basilsdad on September 28, 2010, 20:11:45
Yes its true the new castles have no houses so that you can buy add ons from playmobil DS. On the other hand, the new castles are a hybrib between sytemx and steck!!! A piece of wall has one side as a system x and the other as a steck.... Have not experimented a lot yet but I soon will, and will show you in my review, how far we can go with steck pieces...
Thanks WK, that clears up a lot of the confusion in my head.  Looking forward to seeing your experiments.  ;D
Joe
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on September 28, 2010, 22:05:39

To get you to buy the buildings.
(I don’t blame them, really, no profit=no company, therefore no PM Friends.)


you mean do buy from ds the houses ? ??? from what i know the extra extensions from ds don't include a house  ??? ???
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on September 28, 2010, 22:08:16

And keep in mind that playmobil is a toys for children...having no houses, like the old castles, makes playing easier I think for the kids...

yes ? what makes you say that  ? how is it easier to play with it if it doesen't have a house ?? i think this gives more options to play ...
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on September 28, 2010, 22:10:40
Please excuse my ignorance,  :-[  I am not really that familiar with System X, but aren't the new castles System X and the houses, steck.  Can you combine the two or would they have to make a System X house?  ???
Joe 



the previous castle's house was system x http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/613ll5LDqEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg ...
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Hadoque on September 28, 2010, 22:20:03
After their daily 12 hour-jobs in the castle  - which was taken over by a multinational after the King ran out of money - the knights and soldiers go home in the trailor park next door.  ;)
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: basilsdad on September 28, 2010, 22:57:32
After their daily 12 hour-jobs in the castle  - which was taken over by a multinational after the King ran out of money - the knights and soldiers go home in the trailor park next door.  ;)

Works for me . . .  :lol:
Joe
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Andy R on September 28, 2010, 23:07:58
…(T)he new castles are a hybrib between sytemx and steck!!! A piece of wall has one side as a system x and the other as a steck....
¿OH? ¿Do you mean I was right to keep my old steck castle pieces, and they they COULD be used someday? (Hope springs eternal… Well- Oh never mind.)
you mean do buy from ds the houses ? ??? from what i know the extra extensions from ds don't include a house  ??? ???
You could get any kind of building really. In fact, I’m guessing (based on what I knew this morning) that these were meant as add-ons to other castles, rather than as castles in and of themselves.
After their daily 12 hour-jobs in the castle  - which was taken over by a multinational after the King ran out of money - the knights and soldiers go home in the trailor park next door.  ;)
:lol: The funny part is it’s (metaphorically) true…

EDIT: Can’t wait to get my real computer back… >:(
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 29, 2010, 01:55:25
<?>OH? <?>Do you mean I was right to keep my old steck castle pieces, and they they COULD be used someday? (Hope springs eternal… Well- Oh never mind.)…

Maybe, maybe not...
From what Richard has posted,
It looks like steck and this "new steck"
Are different heights. :-\
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Wolf Knight on September 29, 2010, 05:06:38

yes ? what makes you say that  ? how is it easier to play with it if it doesen't have a house ?? i think this gives more options to play ...

Believe me if this is a toy designed for kids between 4 and 10 years old, it would not matter to them if there was a house or not... I happen to know of a couple of twin boys at the age of 6 and they are using the caves on the dragonland towers as house... Children creativity and fanatsy is enough to recreate a house, present or not...
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Wolf Knight on September 29, 2010, 05:08:14
<?>OH? <?>Do you mean I was right to keep my old steck castle pieces, and they they COULD be used someday? (Hope springs eternal… Well- Oh never mind.)

All in good time....
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on September 29, 2010, 14:55:18
Believe me if this is a toy designed for kids between 4 and 10 years old, it would not matter to them if there was a house or not... I happen to know of a couple of twin boys at the age of 6 and they are using the caves on the dragonland towers as house... Children creativity and fanatsy is enough to recreate a house, present or not...


hmmm ... yes i remeber i used to play with the house of 3666 as a kid ,i had the 3667 as well but i prefered the 3666 because it had the house ...
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: skypurr on September 29, 2010, 22:26:47
Believe me if this is a toy designed for kids between 4 and 10 years old, it would not matter to them if there was a house or not... I happen to know of a couple of twin boys at the age of 6 and they are using the caves on the dragonland towers as house... Children creativity and fanatsy is enough to recreate a house, present or not...

I agree with you Panos. When I was little we had a red carpet with seperate beige coloured 'swirls' as a pattern (gosh that dates me  :-[ ) and I used each of the seperate 'swirls' as a house for little wade wimsey animal figures I had.  :lol:

Elaine (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/mgqueen.gif)
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Lindama on September 29, 2010, 23:38:13
I personally would like a house component in there, but I agree, my kids make houses out of anything!
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: cowabounga on September 30, 2010, 16:32:42
My avatar just whispered in my ear: "This castle is made for war, we won't rest, we won't eat, just fight! And it will be fun! Let the girls play in their Fairy Castle with their bedrooms and bathrooms and dressing rooms and ballrooms and kitchens, we don't need a house!"
Though, I'd like stables...as a sick room.

Cheers,
Arnaud
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 30, 2010, 16:34:02
My avatar just whispered in my ear: "This castle is made for war, we won't rest, we won't eat, just fight! And it will be fun! Let the girls play in their Fairy Castle with their bedrooms and bathrooms and dressing rooms and ballrooms and kitchens, we don't need a house!"
Though, I'd like stables...as a sick room.

Cheers,
Arnaud

:lol: True! ;D
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 30, 2010, 16:35:53
:lol: True! ;D

Though for the stables,
You could just park your horses beneath the keep in the 4866 castle.
Add a bit of hay, and voila! ;D
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Giorginetto on October 01, 2010, 12:30:47
Bring back the original steck  I say , I hated the system x houses and dont like at all the system x castles thats why I never bought them, these new castels are not appealing either to me and I am afraid the old type steck is the best think playmobil has ever created. These new sets are so unrealisitc and their designs look like the cheap chinese castle sets sold in toyfairs . The old 3666 castle was the FERRARI  of complete castle sets with action figures , these new ones are the LADAs ( apologies if anyone has a lada here and is therefore offended ). Playmobil sets are getting worse and worse, klickies now have no armour but hair and fiesty eyes and weird looking weapons. rubbish i am afraid in my opinion . absolutely nonsense and i doubt they will sell and be on market for more than a year ...

Combining system x and steck , i dont know what the benefit of these hybrid sets will be. The beaty of steck was that it was of very good quality, simple and compact pieces to create your own designs, these awful new castles are cheapish plastic ( like the dragonland series ) , too bulky and no creativity. And  i have a feeling they wont be a success as the system x wasnt either . Steck castles were selling for decades and some slight modifications, colours etc would have worked greatly i think .. Bring back steck !!!!!
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 01, 2010, 12:56:25
Bring back the original steck  I say , I hated the system x houses and dont like at all the system x castles thats why I never bought them, these new castels are not appealing either to me and I am afraid the old type steck is the best think playmobil has ever created. These new sets are so unrealisitc and their designs look like the cheap chinese castle sets sold in toyfairs . The old 3666 castle was the FERRARI  of complete castle sets with action figures , these new ones are the LADAs ( apologies if anyone has a lada here and is therefore offended ). Playmobil sets are getting worse and worse, klickies now have no armour but hair and fiesty eyes and weird looking weapons. rubbish i am afraid in my opinion . absolutely nonsense and i doubt they will sell and be on market for more than a year ...

Combining system x and steck , i dont know what the benefit of these hybrid sets will be. The beaty of steck was that it was of very good quality, simple and compact pieces to create your own designs, these awful new castles are cheapish plastic ( like the dragonland series ) , too bulky and no creativity. And  i have a feeling they wont be a success as the system x wasnt either . Steck castles were selling for decades and some slight modifications, colours etc would have worked greatly i think .. Bring back steck !!!!!

Some of the armor on these new Klickies is pretty good.
And as I said in the other thread, that castles are not that bad. (I would prefer steck.)
Just wait a little longer, and hopefully with the help of the pilot club
Geobra will realize that steck is a much better system. :)
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Giorginetto on October 01, 2010, 13:03:40
My detailed comments are in the excellent review by Sir Wolf . I suggest the discussion in continued there as this htread was only about the houses...  :)

The new castle sets are nowhere near the quality, looks and customisation standards of the steck ones .  :hmm:
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Bolingbroke on October 01, 2010, 13:49:11
You know the red/blue/yellow medieval houses you can still buy thru the DS catalogue - are those Steck or not? I agree with most of what Giorginetto said, even though he might've been a bit harsh regarding this particular castle. It's certainly better than the one that preceded it. As for the klickies, I too have had enough of all that printing on the body and the face. Too much. Soon they're gonna start printing the hair on a round head to save on plastic  ::)
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Giorginetto on October 01, 2010, 14:10:27
You know the red/blue/yellow medieval houses you can still buy thru the DS catalogue - are those Steck or not?

100% . I have blue, red, yellow, green and white. The best colours playmobil ever made in buildings was in these steck hosues . very good quality
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: playmo1989 on October 01, 2010, 15:01:48
Playmobil sets are getting worse and worse


yes !!!!!!! :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup:
 
Bring back the original steck  I say , I hated the system x houses and dont like at all the system x castles thats why I never bought them, these new castels are not appealing either to me and I am afraid the old type steck is the best think playmobil has ever created. These new sets are so unrealisitc and their designs look like the cheap chinese castle sets sold in toyfairs . The old 3666 castle was the FERRARI  of complete castle sets with action figures , these new ones are the LADAs ( apologies if anyone has a lada here and is therefore offended ). Playmobil sets are getting worse and worse, klickies now have no armour but hair and fiesty eyes and weird looking weapons. rubbish i am afraid in my opinion . absolutely nonsense and i doubt they will sell and be on market for more than a year ...

Combining system x and steck , i dont know what the benefit of these hybrid sets will be. The beaty of steck was that it was of very good quality, simple and compact pieces to create your own designs, these awful new castles are cheapish plastic ( like the dragonland series ) , too bulky and no creativity. And  i have a feeling they wont be a success as the system x wasnt either . Steck castles were selling for decades and some slight modifications, colours etc would have worked greatly i think .. Bring back steck !!!!!



keep playing the same tape george and your dream will come true how the song says......" And I dreamed your dream for you and now your dream is real " (dire strait's romeo and juliet . epic song  :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:)
 
 
keep that signature as well 


:hissyfit: Bring back Steck and Nuremberg Guards:hissyfit:
 


 
it seems desperate but i love it  :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Gustavo on October 09, 2010, 04:12:48
"why the new castles don't have a house ?"

This was exactly my claim, when I first saw these castles in the catalogue, a few months ago (you can search the thread, it's there.

I am not so sure the problem is with not being steck. Maybe if it were a miniature castle as good as steck, it -- I hope I won't be crucified :P -- wouldn't need to be steck (...). (Just a thought.)

The fact of the matter, inmyopinion, is that they never produced good coherent buildings as the steck ones are, which happen to serve both children and adults. (Not only in the reality, but in the possibility of some extent of (puzzle/lego) building as well. If they did produce good realistic System X castles, would we still need Steck? ... YES! (of course we would! :hmm: I would! ::) ), but we'd have _both_! :) : "classic series" (Steck) & "new" (whatever ...).

But that's one (humble 0) ) thought ...

 :wave:

Gus
:blackhair:


[last edit: references]

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=4058.msg50127#msg50127
"Castle without house"

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=4058.msg50143#msg50143
"System X : why?!, damn it!"

http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=4058.msg50449#msg50449
"Kenc's view" (good)

 :wave:
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Heronimus on October 13, 2010, 07:51:42
Probably they want their toys more kid-oriented (conflicting am I? Toys are designed for kids) Maybe the kids can more easily put their hands into the building, and therefore the new approach, not just the design, is adopted. But after all, I think the older castles, even the blue and yellow lion one, look more realistic.
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: cowabounga on October 15, 2010, 07:43:48
Probably they want their toys more kid-oriented (conflicting am I? Toys are designed for kids) Maybe the kids can more easily put their hands into the building, and therefore the new approach, not just the design, is adopted. But after all, I think the older castles, even the blue and yellow lion one, look more realistic.

There you have a point Heronimus! Getting your hands inside those houses when they're crammed with furniture is so hard, especially for an adult. I remember when I was trying to shoot a short story for my son and this broomstick wouldn't stay upright against the cupboard I'd set it. I had to remove all my foreground accessories to get it back up!

Maybe the houses are just not big enough?
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Giorginetto on October 15, 2010, 09:52:51
I think the standard steck housesm single or double widht or double height are all adequate to put in some furniture and some klickies just as all the 4450-4459 houses are . I have them all and they all are absolutely fantastic with their sights, the bell of the tower watch/ prison, the smith's furnance,  the potter's stand etc etc

Therea re great steck designs that spark kids imagination and great for collector's/ enthusiasts not these rubbish modern ones that look cheap and like GI joe etc etc , absolute wrong !!!! Bring back steck i will say it forever til they bring these sets back !!!!
Title: Re: why the new castles don't have a house ?
Post by: Gustavo on October 22, 2010, 14:36:41
I like them too. (Although I still have only one :-[ but I intend to have a few more, at least three (or four) more ...)

They're great for story-telling. You need double way lighting. I've made some tests (an unpublished story ... secondary characters ;D ), it's been great result. (I need to work more double lighting ...

I admit I haven't played with them as a child, though. We didn't have castles in Brasil, then, only in dioramas of boxes of pirate ships, and we wondered (my cousin and I) where would those lovely houses and castles be, once they weren't sold in Brasil. By then, it was very distant from our reallity, once there was no internet. (Nowadays, you know whatever you need about most everything, through the internet ... And can even get a few :) )

And they are really pretty. Playmobil never produced any sort of building as beautiful as steck system houses and castles, to me :love: