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Who are Playmobil's customers?
« on: July 21, 2011, 15:04:00 »
Who are Playmobil's customers?

There have been a few discussions on this topic across various threads but I thought it would be interesting to put the conversation in its own thread. 

Over the years we have often wondered why Playmobil does certain things,  such as why are there so many bright unrealistic colors or such large set pieces which, when assembled, do not easily come apart again.  We have speculated that possibly this is the result of market research saying that this is what children want, even though our own anecdotal experiences with our own children (or when we were kids ourselves) would suggest otherwise.  I believe that if we consider the following statement, much will be explained:

Playmobil may manufacture their toys for children to use, but their customers are actually the stores that sell the toys.

The marketplace has changed over the past decade or so with the growth of the "big-box stores" such as Target, Walmart, and ToysRUs who dictate their desires to toy manufacturers.  In the US there are fewer and fewer small independent toy stores (and even fewer that still carry Playmobil) so Playmobil has had to shift their focus (in the US anyway) to these large retail chains.  These large stores typically want new merchandise every year and don't carry a whole line of anything consistently year after year (whether toys or dishes or furniture.)  In the toy department, these stores want certain price points and they also dictate product features (which may explain the horrid carry-along series and all the bright eye-catching colors, as well as the very short life of certain themes.)  It would appear that the only surviving relationship of this type may be with ToysRUs and the amount of shelf space that they devote to Playmobil has fluctuated a lot over the years.

Another development in the market over the last decade has been the explosion in direct internet sales.  As a result, Playmobil has also become a retail store by selling directly from its various country/region websites (and, of course, the fun park stores.)   While good for the consumer and for Playmobil, this has probably been bad news for the small independent toy stores.  Obviously, Playmobil has been very successful.  Their sales and profits increase steadily.  They probably see little reason to do anything differently, though I do believe that they feel the US market, at least, is disappointing in terms of total sales. 

So, Playmobil's customers have traditionally been the stores that sell the toy to us consumers (parents, collectors and children) and the marketplace has changed due to the advent of direct internet sales as well as the on-going shift from small independent stores to big-box retailers.  I believe that Playmobil has not taken full advantage of the direct sales opportunites available to them via internet sales.  Further, I believe that Playmobil has not fully investigated who their customers really are now. 

Playmobil should still give their retail store customers what they want - I would not presume to tell them differently as they have been very successful so far in that realm.  I would ask them, however, to consider that they have some "new" additional customer types who need to be properly identified and properly served, mostly by direct internet sales.  The required shift in thinking is to see that the end consumer is also now an actual customer of Playmobil.  This does not mean that Playmobil needs to shift all their focus to the end consumer - not at all - but that they simply need to have a separate and different marketing strategy for selling to the end consumer - the collectors, parents, children, etc. who will buy Playmobil products through direct internet sales on Playmobil websites.

I believe that this new marketing strategy should include many of the things that we fans/collectors have already asked for, such as international Direct Service, special items (like the Steck 4-way connector,) re-issues of various sets through Direct Service (no fancy boxes, only sold online,)  and, of course, the collectors club which will be a vehicle for Playmobil to finally begin to understand who we end consumers really are.   :)
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 15:32:31 »
According to that movie that someone posted, Lego changed their mentality about their customer base and the profits went up. I don't think the fan base of PM is as strong as Lego's, but it must be something close. Ergo, Geobra should re-evaluate what they think about their customers.
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 18:41:34 »
Indianna's post is well thought out I think.

It's important to remember that Europe, and especially Germany are the primary sales markets for Playmobil. Every major retailer in Germany has a wall full of Playmobil, a very different situation than here in the US. Those retailers are likely Playmobil's biggest customers.

I think that Playmobil is open to expansion into additional markets, like that of the collectors. Over time the shift in kid's interests and play patterns mixed with the technology shift is slowly shrinking the traditional kids end market.

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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 00:39:26 »
:hmm: this is a difficult question but a very good one indianna (as always).

as i have not enough information about the american market i can't have an oppinion about the "easy and fast to build / colors bright as they can be" path.
is it toys r' us that wishes for this to be like this?
is it geobra that thinks this is the trend?
is it target that is saying this to playmobil to justify that they don't want to sell any more playmobil because it isn't "instant" enough.

but i know a little bit of the market in portugal (and in some other european countries) and there is a factor that is very important - a great number of toys are bought by grown-ups to their children or as a gift for other children (on birthdays, christmas, easter).
this makes things a little trickier.
if you ask children directly what do they want you'll get answers very different from their parents or their parents friends.

but - who really decides what is bought?
i have a feeling that the answer should be - mostly grown-ups.
... and for them playmobil means a solid and "traditional" choice, with an aura of "pedagogically" correct.

 ;) or maybe it is a shared choice - the child goes for some "hardcore" half dragon-half robot spitting real fire and shooting pointy silver arrows and the parents try to come to a consensus and try to make the child go for a more "normal" playmobil dragon set (which, by the way is becoming more and more "agressive" in its looks.
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 05:18:05 »

but - who really decides what is bought?
i have a feeling that the answer should be - mostly grown-ups.
... and for them playmobil means a solid and "traditional" choice, with an aura of "pedagogically" correct.

 ;) or maybe it is a shared choice - the child goes for some "hardcore" half dragon-half robot spitting real fire and shooting pointy silver arrows and the parents try to come to a consensus and try to make the child go for a more "normal" playmobil dragon set (which, by the way is becoming more and more "agressive" in its looks.

My thoughts quite exactly although much better worded. The same applies to the ever more flashy girl themes, I guess. Or the really huge truck/heavy duty excavator theme. The children decide and PM offers a least common denominator that it at least 'quality' and a renowned brand between them and those who are going to pay.
Andrea Schauer doubled their turnover with that approach. Hence they are less likely to require consulting from our side to become or stay successful. Our only way would be to establish our actual demand (e.g. via the pcc) and to ask based on this if they are willing to do something for us (e.g. the 4-way connector).
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 05:39:39 by henry_martini »
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 16:43:07 »
A very good thread Indianna, and I'd like to throw my 2c into the hat.

In Eugene/Springfield we have a TRU, and three department stores with toy departments, WalMart, Target and Fred Meyer, henceforth WM, T and FM. We also have three dedicated toy/hobby stores, Learning Palace, Elephant's Trunk, and Eugene Toy & Hobby, henceforth LP, ET and ETH.

Since my first visit to Eugene in June/July 2009, T and FM have stopped carrying Playmobil altogether, and had just a limited range in Summer 2009, of the smaller sets, all under $50. WM once carried Playmobil I believe, but not in June/July 2009 as far as I recall, and certainly not since Dec 2009.

My local TRU has a much smaller Playmobil section than a TRU I used to frequent in the UK, and the shelf area dedicated to PM has shrunk since I arrived, much of the lost footage going to Lego products.

I can only see this as a FAIL as far as marketing strategy is concerned.

Now here's my inside view as a WalMart employee, who occasionally has to work the toy department.

Shelf space is divided into 4' sections or "modules", and each 4' module has to generate a certain profit margin to justify its continued existance. Too long with too little turnover and head office are going to pull that module and put something new there. I say Head Office, because (at least at WalMart) there appears to be very little decision making at the local level, so high sales at one store will not keep Playmobil on the shelves at just that store.

A factor that may not be obvious to most consumers is that a company can "buy" shelf space to promote its products. We have had a prominent endcap for Apple iPads for months, despite having almost no iPads to sell, because Apple are paying for that space. Thus a low turnover module in pure sales terms can still bring in a profit to WM if a manufacturer is paying for it.

As another illustration of this, I have recently learned that Target have decided to further promote Disney's Pixar Cars 2, using 6-12" of shelf space that was previously occupied by a small manufacturer of diecast model cars, M2. That fact that Disney already had a big Cars 2 display area, and that M2 will suffer for the lack of it matters not one whit to Target. That adult collectors were coming in weekly and virtually clearing the shelves of M2 stock is immaterial. Disney Cars sells themselves with the massive film and advertising backup, stacked high and sold cheap (and nasty), and no doubt Disney are paying for that extra shelf space.

I'll let you stew on that for a while, and look at the smaller dedicated toystores. Just by walking into LP, ETH or ET you have shown yourself to be a more discerning parent or customer. LP isn't called LP because it dedicates half its shelf space to licensed products. It doesn't. In fact it has the biggest display of Playmobil products in the city, and frequently sells at 15% discount off the PM online prices, which is why I am a regular customer, and bought all my Top Agents and 2011 Knights sets there (helped by the fact that the email notification from PM's website arrived 2 weeks after the products were available online, and one day after I'd bought them at LP). ETH has a 20% off sale every October, and Tiermann and I will be there to see what we can get at those prices. ET is somewhat more expensive than either of the others, as it has two locations in expensive rented mall properties. I rarely buy there unless it's something I can't get elsewhere, like the 3666 castle that languished on their shelves for 25 years at full price until I grabbed it.

The dedicated toystores are less focussed on pure profit-from-shelf-space figures, as evidenced by the 3666 set, but even they like their shelves to turn over stock at a reasonable pace. LP are now suffering with two or three 4240 Pyramids which nobody wants to buy, but they have to keep on display if they hope to sell them. We have one or two toystore owners on the forum who could no doubt give us their deeper insights on their relationship with PM.

Back to our 4' module at WalMart, how do Lego and Disney go about maximising their sales? Go and look. They have a lot of small sets, for Disney often one or two Cars in a blister, at pocket money prices. Yes, there are bigger sets too, but look at the shelf space dedicated to them and I think you'll find a bias towards the smaller stuff. Lego too have expanded their cheaper sets, with one-figure packs and other small sets. Ignore for now their licensed bias, and just look at the price points.

How did PM react when they started losing their shelf space at WM, T and FM? They focussed on producing a range of costlier products, while simultaneously reducing the focus on one-figure and two-figure sets, pushing their Carry Cases (around $10-12) over Specials (no new specials for a 6-month period in North America), and making 2-man blisters bigger (and costlier) with a boat, horse or cannon added. They got away from the child's imagination where a handful of figures can live happily in a cardboard box or under a chair, and started producing carry-along sets with a treasure chest, ugly Skull Island, or Farmhouse forming the case, pushing the price point above what a child's weekly allowance would cover.

A word on Blister packs - You can pick up a Hot Wheels car blister for $1-$1.20. Playmobil 2-figure blisters were usually around the $3.50 mark, and with a horse or other item more like $6-$7. How many of us have wanted a PM blister figure, but disliked the "other" figure in the pack, either because it is just plain ugly (red boots on a soldier...), or would give us a 1:1 Officer to Private ratio? So, to my eye, PM blisters started too expensive and got more expensive, while also limiting our purchase choice by forcing us to buy figures we possibly didn't want.


So how could PM fix their lack-of-shelf-space problem?

First off, they could pay to have that space back. In fact at this point I think that's quite possibly the only way they'd be able to regain some shelf space at WM, T and FM, because PM is now out of their focus. Will they do this? I doubt it.

Secondly, change the product mix to offer smaller sets. Even a special in a box will cost $4-$5 at the dedicated toystores, but how about a single figure in a blister, instead of making the blisters bigger, or the carry cases (which to me are a waste of a big plastic case). Lots of variety, but single figures - Fairy, Knight, Fireman or Pirate. Make the product more visible, peg-hung (easier to stock and more efficient to display). Go for boys' and girls' interests, but keep that starting price point within the child's weekly budget. Get the thin end of the wedge in, and drive it home later with the bigger sets that can only come a child's way twice a year.

As Herr B. himself pointed out (and I paraphrase), once a child has a pirate figure, he'll soon want a pirate ship to go with it.

That pirate ship doesn't have to be in the store occupying valuable shelf space year round. Once the child is "into" Playmobil, has learnt the joy of using his/her imagination rather than replaying someone else's stories with someone else's characters, the items can be found online. All the big department stores have online shops, as does TRU, PM themselves, and even the dedicated Toystores have websites. Any company NOT selling or at least advertising a deal of its products online is out of touch.

Finally, to help the smaller dedicated toystores, PM should by back unsold stock at cost price, so they stores can promote the newer Playmobil products. If Playmobil force the small stores to continue to flog their dead PM horses, those small stores might not be around forever, or might decide to cut PM from their shelves altogether. Also, let the small stores stock EVERYTHING they want to, including DS items. The manageress at LP told me recently how she could sell PM animals by the bucketload if she could get them, but PM don't offer that service.


btw, don't worry too much about M2. I originally found their cars at TRU, but have since bought more online, through various diecast specialists; indeed I've spent more on M2 in the last week than I expect to spend on Playmobil in the coming year, because Playmobil aren't offering products I want to buy anymore. I don't want a big castle that won't connect or blend with the big castles I already have, either System X of Steck, so I'm only buying the smaller Knights sets, and these mostly for the figures. I dislike the gatling crossbow and duck's foot crossbow as being historically nonsense, and the ram/shield is just about saved by being usable as one or the other (not both simultaneously), but only just. The ram head should be a single point because that's how you break through a gate most effectively, and Medieval siege engineers knew this.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 16:48:18 by Martin Milner »

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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 23:30:47 »
This is a great thread with excellent insights. I have really enjoyed reading your opinions. I wonder if Geobra would be receptive to such thought?
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 17:25:05 »
Such a great discussion so far!  Martin has provided a lot of great information about US retail practices while Cachalote, henry_martini, and PrimusPilus have given us a bit of the European perspective.  Tiermann, with his additional pilot group insight, has made an important point and given me hope at the same time:

. . . It's important to remember that Europe, and especially Germany are the primary sales markets for Playmobil. Every major retailer in Germany has a wall full of Playmobil, a very different situation than here in the US. Those retailers are likely Playmobil's biggest customers.

I think that Playmobil is open to expansion into additional markets, like that of the collectors. Over time the shift in kid's interests and play patterns mixed with the technology shift is slowly shrinking the traditional kids end market.

One reason I started this thread was to try to make this point: along with their traditional retail store customer base, Playmobil already has a new additional customer base:  the people who buy directly from them by ordering from their websites and/or Direct Service (which can also be by phone, email, snail mail.)  They can continue to do what they are already doing with their traditional base but they need to take a different approach with this new group, which, for lack of a better term, I will dub the "Direct Market."  Playmobil doesn't seem to understand this Direct Market group.  The Direct Market does not have a "middle-man" in the form of a retail outlet (except that Playmobil is now both the wholesale manufacturer and the middle-man.  The Direct Market can give instant feedback to Playmobil about which products are successful and which are not and the Direct Market can give instant marketing information in the form of requests for new products.

I believe that they can be very successful with the Direct Market if they take the trouble to find out who we are and what we want.  As folks have pointed out, the European market is different from the US market and there are many other markets which will also be different.  The Direct Market though, may be fairly consistent worldwide.  What would members of the Direct Market want?
 - the ability to order directly from Playmobil and have the product delivered directly to the consumer.
 - the ability to order all current Playmobil products in this way, including spare parts.
 - the ability to request parts or sets that are not currently available.
 - the ability to join a collector's club which offers special features for members
 - what else?

How should Playmobil develop this Direct Market?  They already have many good tools in place.  They have fairly good websites but they should add the ability to order parts directly online.  They typically enclose catalogs of some sort with every set which could be modified to do a better job of promoting their websites (though they don't seem to include anything with the blisters - this is a mistake.)  Martin made some excellent points about pricing and packaging and how small sets should be geared to impulse buys and should be affordable for children.  Over the years, many folks have pointed out how Playmobil could be selling small child-oriented sets in so many different locations, items such as a knight or king special at a medieval museum, or animals and a zoo-keeper at zoos, or dolphins and divers at an aquarium (here in my home town of Boston, there are dozens of colonial-era tourist attractions - how about some redcoats and rebels with a minicatalog and a plug for the website?)  There are an endless number of ways to attract initial interest in Playmobil and then point consumers to the website.  What other ideas does everyone have?

This is the future - Playmobil needs to get with the program!   :)
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Re: Who are Playmobil's customers?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 07:48:13 »
Considering that its parents and friends often buying the playmobil for the kids, I can't understand why the medieval theme seems to contain only castles and soldiers these days, with a clear good and evil faction.
Many people will find that too violent for their children, while a mix of millitairy and every day medieval life, like it used to be, would be much more attractive.
The best of both worlds.
Through clever mixing, by adding a town guard here and there or a hunter or thief, it could still be kept interesting for the more action oriented children.

Aside from that, I really think they should always have a classic theme going on. It could be anything they released in the past, and when it goes out of the stores it gets replaced by another classic theme. They could for example kick of with releasing the victorian house and its furniture. If proven succesfull, they could go with another wave of rereleases of victorian sets outside the house such as cars.
Or if its less succesfull, they could replace it for example with a batch of western from the 90's.

The really old themes probably would not appeal as much to children, I noticed this with my nephews when they played with my brother's playmobil. They enjoyed it a few times, but lost interest after that. It does have its fair share of broken pieces, but there is still a lot to play with, they just dont find it that interesting.
I still would love to see the occasional individual box of the really old playmobil pop up though.

Rereleasing the classics is either way a great way to honour the memory of Hans Beck.