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Title: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 14, 2016, 10:07:02
is his belt the same color with the beggar's belt in 4409?
(Durer's looks yellowish while the beggar's looks white)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Hadoque on October 14, 2016, 16:04:27
Different colours, Cheng.
The one from Dürer is white, while the begger´s one is lightgrey.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 15, 2016, 02:01:48
so my judgement from the pictures alone are both so very wrong  :D
thank you so so very much Hadoque!   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 15, 2016, 07:43:50
Dürer's is cream-colored.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 15, 2016, 08:23:13
Dürer's is cream-colored.

oh? you must surely have one to be so sure....thanks too Ismene (actually I'm after a white belt) :)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 15, 2016, 10:32:31
oh? you must surely have one to be so sure....thanks too Ismene (actually I'm after a white belt) :)

Yeah, I just checked mine. It's definitely not quite white, though that might not be noticeable on a figure wearing dark colors.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 15, 2016, 10:56:59
Yeah, I just checked mine. It's definitely not quite white, though that might not be noticeable on a figure wearing dark colors.

thanks very very much too Ismene, because the white (is it? starting to have doubts now.....anyone has the 2009 tribal chief?) belt on the tribal chief is long long gone although I've always hoped it would return as a Fi?ure  ;D
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 15, 2016, 14:10:48
Cheng I have all three of these figures and will take a detailed closeup of all three side by side for you. Later today for sure.

And I love those African figures, wish they did a whole tribe :D
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 15, 2016, 15:26:28
Cheng I have all three of these figures and will take a detailed closeup of all three side by side for you. Later today for sure.

And I love those African figures, wish they did a whole tribe :D

wow...all 3?! and they are from varying themes....looking forward to see them together, notwithstanding the colour setting of our own pc screens....please dont break their necks just for my sake  ;)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 15, 2016, 15:32:51
They're from different themes officially but in my mind they are all in one category: ethnic/cultural/historical. The beggar from St Martin is "1st century A.D. civilian" and thus part of my Romans. (One of my long term goals is to get enough different Roman civilians to fill the Colosseum seats!  :D)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Hadoque on October 15, 2016, 19:48:51
Yeah, I just checked mine. It's definitely not quite white, though that might not be noticeable on a figure wearing dark colors.

I checked some of my Dürers too (at evening) and the Dürer´s belt looks white to me, perhaps it is  a light-cream colour though (in daylight) ...
The African Tribal figure´s belt is the same colour as the Dürer´s one if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 16, 2016, 01:42:33
I checked some of my Dürers too (at evening) and the Dürer´s belt looks white to me, perhaps it is  a light-cream colour though (in daylight) ...
The African Tribal figure´s belt is the same colour as the Dürer´s one if I remember correctly.

hey, I'm happy to hear this Hadoque, thanks!
....if it can pass as white to us veteran playmo collectors, I'll like to accept its white and my looong wait finally ends
....and Macruran, your photo will be the final proof.
and Ismene can be our judge too   ;)

Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 16, 2016, 04:57:50
Gather round for the story of three Playmofriends who came from different parts of the world to compare belts!

(http://i.imgur.com/kRHn2mc.jpg)

Albrecht, Vibius, and Mwungunembe came together on a reflective surface beneath a Douglas fir. "I like your beard, Vibius," said Albrecht. Mwungunembe conducted a quick ritual to ward off bad spirits. Vibius's tummy grumbled.

"We all seem to be wearing the same belt. Do you two shop at the Kaufhof too? Let's show off our nice belts!"

(http://i.imgur.com/lm0mUpb.jpg)

With his artist's eye for colour, Albrecht noted a discrepancy. "Vibius, your belt seems to be a different shade. Let's take a closer look!" Vibius seemed dazed but co-operative. Mwungunembe consulted his ancestors.

(http://i.imgur.com/0ssh90v.jpg?1)

"Let's lie on our backs and take a really close look."

(http://i.imgur.com/EyYcWHd.jpg)

"Mwungunembe, hold still and let me fix your face makeup," said Albrecht. Mwungunembe looked askance at Albrecht. Vibius asked what time dinner would be.

--------------

Albrecht's belt appears brighter than Mwungunembe's, but that's due to his lighter clothing and my ultracheap camera. I am looking at them right now with my eyes (and I just passed an eye exam today so I can see o.k.) and I can state with 100% confidence that Al's and Mwung's belts are exactly the same shade of white. It's slightly off-white, so against white paper it looks cream-coloured. Vib's is definitely a different shade, a grey.


PS Albrecht's beard is tight, Vibius's is loose and kept falling down below his mouth.  >:(
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 16, 2016, 08:53:54
Hooo! funny too.....I forgot we have to have the kids' interest in mind, always ;D

....I never knew Mwungu-what (sounds Korean too :lol:) has face paint...is it unique for him only?

and that neck-thingy under his mask's goatie, same as that used for medievals?

and thanks for the final confirmation, I end my wait for Mwungu's 'white' belt  :love:
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 16, 2016, 16:05:38
....I never knew Mwungu-what (sounds Korean too :lol:) has face paint...is it unique for him only?

I think so, I don't remember seeing it on any others. The tribesmen in 7460 have different facepaint. It's possible that the witch doctor in 7276/3097/3040 has it but I don't have any of those sets.

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and that neck-thingy under his mask's goatie, same as that used for medievals?

I can't confirm this as I don't have any medievals with that neckpiece. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 16, 2016, 17:20:19
I can't confirm this as I don't have any medievals with that neckpiece. Can anyone help?

looks like those "Collar, pleated drape"(as Heather calls them) I bought years back.....now looking at the picture in Playmodb, I do see the 'pleats'

(as for the heads, we might have to wait for our expert 'headhunters' who would have recorded all of these dark skinned heads)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 16, 2016, 17:33:47
oh, not just Medieval, but Victorian too.....hey, aren't these 'historic' parts very versatile for such diverse cultures? ...if it's red or something,I can even use it as those under-the-chin guards for samurai(s)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 16, 2016, 17:51:55
oh, not just Medieval, but Victorian too.....hey, aren't these 'historic' parts very versatile for such diverse cultures?

Haha yes! If that Victorian lady knew she was wearing the same thing as a Zulu chieftain, she might get the vapors!
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 17, 2016, 07:53:29
Haha yes! If that Victorian lady knew she was wearing the same thing as a Zulu chieftain, she might get the vapors!
She's a retired anthropologist and brought it back from one of her trips to Africa.

hey, I'm happy to hear this Hadoque, thanks!
....if it can pass as white to us veteran playmo collectors, I'll like to accept its white and my looong wait finally ends
....and Macruran, your photo will be the final proof.
and Ismene can be our judge too   ;)
To be fair, I compared mine to white plastic using a daylight bulb. And also: http://www.asu.edu/news/research/womencolors_090104.htm
Under normal lighting with no white in proximity, it could plausibly pass as white, even though it most definitely isn't white.  ;)
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 17, 2016, 08:40:23

To be fair, I compared mine to white plastic using a daylight bulb. And also: http://www.asu.edu/news/research/womencolors_090104.htm
Under normal lighting with no white in proximity, it could plausibly pass as white, even though it most definitely isn't white.  ;)

 :lol:
and I'm perfectly happy to accept this chromosome-thingy which is getting too complex 8}
but you should compare it to another white playmo part, assuming they use the same color pellets.....afterall there's so many variants of white in any paint chart ;D
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 17, 2016, 10:46:27
but you should compare it to another white playmo part, assuming they use the same color pellets.....afterall there's so many variants of white in any paint chart ;D

I did! That was the "white plastic" I was talking about - another klicky part. The belt is not white.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 17, 2016, 11:25:59
I did! That was the "white plastic" I was talking about - another klicky part. The belt is not white.

oh, sorry....ok please rest your case....its NOT playmo white....thanks....err, just wondering, Ismene, what would Heather call this off-white colour?  ;D
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Hadoque on October 18, 2016, 00:13:48
I insist it is "a" white. Maybe a dark white, but definetily not cream. Okay maybe a very light cream, but not more.  :P
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 18, 2016, 00:39:04
She's a retired anthropologist and brought it back from one of her trips to Africa.

CULTURAL APPROPRIATION! I PROTEST IN THE STRONGEST TERMS

Actually, how do you know it wasn't the other way round? Perhaps the chief took his neckpiece off a Victorian lady, shortly before popping her into his cannibal stewpot!  :lol:
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 18, 2016, 06:51:42
CULTURAL APPROPRIATION! I PROTEST IN THE STRONGEST TERMS

Actually, how do you know it wasn't the other way round? Perhaps the chief took his neckpiece off a Victorian lady, shortly before popping her into his cannibal stewpot!  :lol:

I can imagine a playmo diorama of an Africa kitchen ..and anymore protests and you join the lady  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 18, 2016, 07:59:40
oh, sorry....ok please rest your case....its NOT playmo white....thanks....err, just wondering, Ismene, what would Heather call this off-white colour?  ;D

She has the hat, which is the same color, listed as cream. Sorry Hadoque.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Hadoque on October 18, 2016, 20:27:47
She has the hat, which is the same color, listed as cream. Sorry Hadoque.

Sorry but then Heather & you are both wrong.  ;)


The colour of Dürer´s belt is very similar as the colour of this pirate´s shirt below, which is in a slightly darker white then other white shirts. Slightly darker white then plain white, but still white and not cream

http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-00-4242
(in the  playmodb-photo the shirt looks indeed a bit creamy, but in reality it is more like white. It is also described as being white)


The same is true for the colour of the pants of this pirate:

http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-00-4302
(They look plain white on the photo, but are a bit a darker white in reality.)

For comparison and to point out the difference;

The sleeve-cuffs of this pirate below are in Playmobil´s standard cream colour, which is definitly different and darker then Dürer´s belt.

http://playmodb.org//backs/4/4654_back.jpg
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 19, 2016, 00:19:16
And I thought the pictures would settle it! :D
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: cheng on October 19, 2016, 00:35:17
Ismene is describing the whites as we normally look at paints.....I had a hard time (maybe because I'm a man  :P) picking 'white' colour :Ps for my doors.

however, Hadoque, I do have the pirate and the redcoat you used to illustrate your point....for us, that's white, when we separate or match our customs....
I have bought those sashes (worn by that redcoat) for my redcoats and ACW and I accepted them as white, for my customs.....

just another question Hadoque, since you read german....is there any part known to us which Geobra describes as 'white', not that it might not be pure white but its mean to be 'playmobil white'?

unfortunatelythese two sashes do not have any colour indication in playmobil.de
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Ismene on October 19, 2016, 08:06:11
The sleeve-cuffs of this pirate below are in Playmobil´s standard cream colour, which is definitly different and darker then Dürer´s belt.

http://playmodb.org//backs/4/4654_back.jpg

That's pale yellow. I would throw out cream that turned that color.  :P
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Tiermann on October 19, 2016, 17:13:00
I would call it off-white myself. I think it's the same color as the old firefighter helmets and cuffs, not really cream but not bright white.
Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: GrahamB on October 19, 2016, 20:46:57
Not forgetting the natural tendency of playmobil to go yellow....

But I think that affects the hard ABS plastic more, I'm not sure if these belts are made of a plastic less prone to yellowing?

Title: Re: Albert Durer's belt
Post by: Macruran on October 20, 2016, 03:39:01
The Duerer is brand new while the chieftain is from maybe ten years ago, yet their belts are identical in colour, so I would wager that the yellowing hasn't affected them yet.