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General => Report & Review => Playmo Research Dept. => Topic started by: rexalan on July 30, 2023, 22:29:28
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I am in need of quite a few bridles and reins (as well as saddles), and have been trolling ebay, but have not made any purchases yet.
I am seeing that there are now three generations of horses. I know that second generation and first generation horses and bridles do not mix, but I do not know if third and second generation horses and bridles mix.
Can someone provide information about what generation of horses and bridles do and do not mix?
Thank you in advance.
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This would be a job for grahamb!
I can't really figure out the bridles+reins of the horses (except the first generation ons..)
1st+2nd generation saddles are the same.. right?
After that...............
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This would be a job for grahamb!
I cannot get PlaymoDB to respond at the moment (is it just me, again?), so I can't help just yet....
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Also, I'm away on holiday at the moment, so I can't try fitting different saddles and bridles on the 2nd and 3rd generation of PM horses.
However, looking at a few inventories on PlaymDB (it's working again), it seems that from 2011 on, the third generation of horses all come with "2011 style" saddles, reins and bridles, suggesting that these parts were restyled for the later horses. I couldn't find any sets with 3rd gen. horses and 2nd gen. (which PlaymoDB calls 'new style') saddles, etc. But I didn't check all the sets with horses in!
If you are in a hurry, rexalan, I would order the 2011-style parts for the newer horses. Otherwise, if no-one else can answer your question, if you can wait a couple of weeks until I get back to handle the plastic toys, I will try to give a more authoritative answer then.
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For the record. Not in any sort of a hurry.
I am still building the infantry parts of my little armies.
But I want to start placing cavalry stuff on my Watch List.
So, again, no hurry. If I get impatient, I will just buy a couple of each and experiment on my own.
I feel sure I would be in good company on this forum. :)
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Hi, this thread maybe belongs in the Research section at this point. Since nobody has jumped in with details, and since as the animal guy I have all the horse tack too, here is a quick overview of horse saddles, reins, and bridles. Note this does not include the same for ponies, colts, donkeys, camels or bears (!).
First up the horse types wearing tack. Note that the type 3 horse shown is what we call the Haflinger body type. There are also type 3 horses with variations making them Arabian, Fjord, Sport Horse, Trakehner, and Draft. All but the Draft style take the same saddles, bridles and reins.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096389223_758e5d8fd3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSEB)horses types (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSEB) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
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As mentioned by Tahra, the saddles for type 1 and 2 horses are the same and are fully interchangeable. Here are types 1 and 2 with the saddles swapped.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096076429_8302d25e11_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTVgFB)horses 1 and 2 saddles swap (https://flic.kr/p/2oTVgFB) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
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The saddles for type 3 are longer at the belly strap part. Here is the same type of saddle compared between the styles
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095894981_53f6a0f1da_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkKc)saddles 1 compared to 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkKc) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
Aside from the slight change in curvature note the increased length on those bottom straps.
Here is that same saddle on a type 1 horse
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095895506_ba2c24fdef_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkUf)horse 1 saddle 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkUf) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
You can see it sitting way up above the body
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The type 2 horses have a little deeper belly. To fit the type 1 saddles that have a clip point low on the body.
Here is type 2 wearing the type 3 saddle clipped into the clip point
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095333307_854fefb4bc_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsMa)horse 2 saddle 3 at clip point (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsMa) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
and here it is with the clips spread and slid down. Works ok and could do in a pinch. Doesn't really fit properly though.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095333242_b2708f7216_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsL3)horse 2 saddle 3 past clip point (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsL3) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
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Here is horse style 3 trying to wear type 1/2 saddles. Note that it can be made to work, but there is an obvious gap at the bottom and it's stretched out a bit to fit.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095333202_731a1ccd63_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsKm)horse 3 saddle 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsKm) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096075949_60d393368e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTVgxk)horse 3 saddle 2 large Western (https://flic.kr/p/2oTVgxk) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
And here is a draft horse trying to wear a regular type 3 saddle. So no possibility of using draft horses as heavy war horses with the currently available saddles.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096389678_9dcba367f4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSNs)draft horse 3 saddle 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSNs) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
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Here are common saddle types available for the different horse types.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095895046_896ae372f2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkLj)saddles 1 or 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTUkLj) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53095332842_71a070f9ce_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsD9)saddles 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTRsD9) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
Most of the same types have been made for each with the type 3 even including a side saddle, not ever seen in the older styles
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Moving on to bridle and rein sets, all three types have a unique bridle and rein.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096389788_30cbca9d84_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSQm)bridles comparison (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSQm) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
The big points for telling them apart.
Type 1 is narrow all around. The reins are quite narrow as is the bridle. The bridle has small round pins and the reins have holes to clip onto them
Type 2 has rounder bridle and wider gapping reins, These also have the pins on the bridle and holes on the reins.
Type 3 is broader in the reins still. It has flipped the posts though. The reins have the little pins and the bridle has round holes to accept them.
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Sadly the fact that the type 3 bridle has holes in it to accept the rein pins isn't unique. Both types 1 and 2 have had bridles with holes instead of pins. Those just don't accept the reins for types 1 or 2 but are used by them selves sometimes.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096297600_e093d6e5a3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWpqU)bridles type 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWpqU) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096389768_627817cd02_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSQ1)bridles type 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWSQ1) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
Still they are different enough in look that you will mostly be able to tell them apart. I recommend getting at least one of each some time to compare in person and then you will have no trouble seeing them in auctions. As mentioned there are also smaller or differently shaped bridles for the ponies, newest style colts, donkeys, camels and even a bear bridle.
Here is one final photo to show you a unique rein type for the type 3 horses. it is dagged fabric covered and looks great for Medieval era settings. Sadly only in weird colors so far. They really need to do it in browns, silver and gold as well.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53096298510_a26070be4b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWpGA)dagged reins type 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2oTWpGA) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
Hope this has been helpful. :)
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Hi, this thread maybe belongs in the Research section at this point.
I agree! And fantastic explanation and photographs, Tiermann!
Here is one final photo to show you a unique rein type for the type 3 horses. it is dagged fabric covered and looks great for Medieval era settings. Sadly only in weird colors so far. They really need to do it in browns, silver and gold as well.
I need to find some of those now. ;)
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A masterful summary, thanks Tiermann! I will move this topic to the Research board now.
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Thank you so much Tiermann! :wow:
I was convinced there were more types for the newer horsies :o (for some reason)
Most of the same types have been made for each with the type 3 even including a side saddle, not ever seen in the older styles
:o I had no idea. Need to see it - probably as ridiculous in klicky form as in our world?
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That was a very well done presentation!
And it definitely answered my questions.
Thank you so much.
So, it is settled.
Only second generation horses, bridles, reins and saddles.
Thank you again.
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:o I had no idea. Need to see it - probably as ridiculous in klicky form as in our world?
The light turquoise saddle in the type 3 saddle group photo is the side saddle. It's a cool idea but suffers from the usual issues of sitting klickies. The legs stick straight out and so look odd.