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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: Tiermann on September 23, 2010, 04:25:34
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Hello, this is a development out of the Winterhaven Tourney. There is some confusion when referring to caparisoned knights.
I am hoping this chart will help provide a reference point. I have numbered each in basically chronological order and given a short description. The description includes the type of caparison - pleated, scalloped, slashed, or the newest plate. It also includes a color or device indication depending on what stands out. I am missing the color knight, I hadn't realized until today that it was out there, so now I will try to search one out. There are some towards the end that I do not have because they are not yet available here, or I am waiting for the latest 2 in this market to go on sale in October. If you know of any I have missed please let me know. This is referring only to caparison - the cloth types and not to barding - the leather strapping types.
(http://animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart.jpg)
(http://animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart2.jpg)
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Very nice work, Tim!
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Thank you very much for your work Tim! This is just AWESOME. You have such a great collection! I am missing 9 out of the 31 still.
I will start a better announcement thread soon!
We also already know what number 32 will be from this (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5191.msg71109#msg71109) post! Maybe you can already add it!
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:wow: :wow: :wow:
Great work, Tim :wave:
Damo :)
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Tim this is great work!!! Congratulations and thank you for this reference guide!!!
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Tim, you have no doubt made a lot of Playmobil Medieval theme collectors very happy with your wonderful charts.
You've done a marvelous job of displaying all of Playmobil's very colorful knights.
And, for those Games Workshop fans of Bretonnia you have shown them what Playmobil can offer!
Thank you very much!
All the best,
Richard
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WOW! That is great Tim, :o
Thank you so much! :wow:
As Richard said,
You have certainly made us Medieval fans happy. ;D
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I just noticed, the Checkered one, number 7,
Does not actually go with that shield.
It goes with the Checkered Shield. (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-63-3280)
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I remembered Christopher 2 last night in bed. I will add him tonight. You are right WoT, I will get that adjusted and do a new picture. There are probably other errors too. I have mixed things about in the past and am not sure I got them all back as they started. I will fix anything that gets mentioned. It's mainly the horse coats I am looking at here. As you just mentioned number 7 can go with it's original shield, or it can be used with the one I show in this picture - creating 2 possible joust competitors with just one set of horse gear.
I know for certain that the knight on #17 is wrong - for some weird reason that one came with gold body armour and a silver helmet. I hated that so switched out the helmet for a correct colored one. I refuse to change it back ;)
I will get 24 and 25 in October when they go on sale - only a week and a half away! The others wont be out here for a year. If anyone has #3 the old color one that's now at the top of my wants list. I'm missing the yellow feather for the horse helmet in #2 as well if anyone should have one.
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Wonderful picture summary, Tim. When I see them all like that I feel strongly driven to start collecting knights! They remind me that many years ago I had a strong interest in heraldry.
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I know for certain that the knight on #17 is wrong - for some weird reason that one came with gold body armour and a silver helmet. I hated that so switched out the helmet for a correct colored one. I refuse to change it back ;)
Golly, I'd forgotten that helmet. That is so lame. I think the designers must be gold/silver colorblind. 8}
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I will get 24 and 25 in October when they go on sale - only a week and a half away!
Me too! <jumping up and down> Which shop?
The others wont be out here for a year.
Poopledoops. Ah well, something to look forward to.
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charts updated :)
Eugene Toy and Learning Palace both have #25, I believe LP has #24 too - hopefully ETH will
did you get on the Eugene Toy & Hobby mailing list? They should be mailing out their sale announcement and coupon this next week.
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Once again great job Tim!! Coming back to see this a point of reference again and again!
I now realise I only miss the green dragon knight....(so hard and almost impossible to get...) the latest multi use/set knight and, of course, all the new knights as they have not reached the greek market....
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Once again great job Tim!! Coming back to see this a point of reference again and again!
I now realise I only miss the green dragon knight....(so hard and almost impossible to get...) the latest multi use/set knight and, of course, all the new knights as they have not reached the greek market....
Q: When is a dragon NOt a dragon?
A: When it's a Wyvern.
Tim, I got #25 just now at LP, but they didn't have #24, I'll have to try ETH tomorrow, I should be on their mailing list but haven't received an email from them yet.
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It's usually a snail mail postcard thing, with a coupon for an extra few percent off your total purchase
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Great work Tim! :wow: :wow: :wow:
B-W ;D
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Great work indeed!!!
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updated page 2 with a couple of new pictures,
I am behind on Animobil and the shields/heraldry pages yet. More time this next month now that we're past the holidays.
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Updated after 3 years. They took a long break on producing new jousting knights and then came back strong this year with 5 new ones. I have added a new Page 3 with the new entries. Here are all three pages:
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart.jpg)
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart2.jpg)
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart3.jpg)
I am still missing that color white one, it turns out to be rare and expensive when they show up online. Only one I've seen in the last year was a full set that went for over $130. I will be patient, it will show up at an ok price some day.
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Thanks for the update, though seeing how the dark plate armor is listed, wasnt there light plate armor in one of the recent supersets?
As for white barding.. wouldnt it be possible and a lot cheaper to paint barding of the same shape to become white?
So many nice bardings, gues I have most that I want to have, not planning to get them all. Considering shape I think the long ones made for classic horses where the best, especially with that hood with the feather for the horse. the headpieces rarely even got details on them after that.
What I'm still hoping for they will make is plate armor top with cloth hanging from it. And also some ways to carry weapons on it, maybe a saddle bag of sorts, or just a sword sheathe at the opening for the saddle since there seems to be room for it on the inside.
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I think the plate has only been in the dark so far. You may be thinking of the light plate with the head and neck piece and then a saddle/rump piece. The plate is kind of a stretch, really it should be cloth covering to count at all. The idea is that it's fancy jousting clothes for the horses and not so much battle armor or light barding.
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It's so very exciting to see them all together :love:
They could have quite a tournament amongst themselves by now... I can't pick a favourite.
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Just checked again, you are right. It's only a bit of metal behind the saddle.
I'd still like to see more armored horses though.
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Wow, great seeing them all laid out in the chart!
And I learned a new word - Caparison! ;D
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I am still missing that color white one, it turns out to be rare and expensive when they show up online.
The white caparison (with a white horse underneath) would be awesome for use with the PCC's White Knight...
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Even without the barding, the white knight on a white horse with white sadde might make for an impressive statue. Especially if the horse has a good pose.
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Even without the barding, the white knight on a white horse with white sadde might make for an impressive statue.
Busy with that but waiting for a package with an appropirate white saddle to arrive... ;)
A white knight's squire is also in the works.
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There will be a couple more coming late this year from the Super 4 theme. Meanwhile I did a big resorting of my entire knight collection (over 350) and took a photo of the caparison knights all together while I had them out.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7325/16475995355_6a46da9f05_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r6VMpr)Playmobil Jousting Knights (https://flic.kr/p/r6VMpr) by TimSpfd (https://www.flickr.com/people/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
Here also is an addendum, a few of the major knights with other horse gear and the three in front are customs, the left one by Janette that came to me from Australia and the other two by Cowabounga that came from France.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/16289737819_810ae70f97.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qPtawB)Playmobil Mounted Knights (https://flic.kr/p/qPtawB) by TimSpfd (https://www.flickr.com/people/71879015@N00/), on Flickr
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Those are gorgeous pics :love:
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Great informative chart you've done there thanks for the photos and descriptions. There's loads of nice Knights and horses there but, the green lion shield and added green details really struck me perhaps because I wasn't expecting the combination, the black and gold dragon knight also looks really striking in the last set of photos. Now just need to gradually collect some more Knights and horses for my Medieval collection ;D seeing as I've only got an incomplete Swan Tournament Knight :knight:
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Those pictures are awesome, Tiermann. Hmm... could they be preparing for a tournament? ;)
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I found this chart on Animobil a few months ago, Tim. Unfortunately (for my wallet), it set me off on another collecting spree. Who could resist all those lovely caparisons? I managed to get quite a few from DS and others from ebay, but some are fiendishly hard to get hold of!
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The recent tournament knights added a few nice new ones, a shame the actual medieval batch had none though. :(
Don't think I'd ever get all of them, I'm just happy to have plenty in case of tournaments. Gues it depends a bit on where my medieval story will go to next time.. Might need some new knights if it moves to Chivalia, which is known for its chivalrous knights. :)
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Old thread but vastly due for an update.
Here is the current chart. Just added was number 3 finally thanks in part to our friend GrahamB. I am still missing the proper white and silver lance, someday perhaps but at least I have the rest put together finally.
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart.jpg)
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart2.jpg)
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart3.jpg)
As of this year there are a total of 39. Those Super 4 guys should really wear helmets. Show offs.
:D
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Those are great Tiermann! Thank you for the compilation!
Those Super 4 guys should really wear helmets. Show offs.
:D
:lmao: :lmao:
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What set is 3 from?
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3624, a color set, has the white caparison.
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Great update! I was just looking through these a few days ago. :)
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One of my favourite pages in the WWW! So many thanks for this, Tiermann.
A while ago I believed I was complete with the exception of 3 (which I do not value too highly). Very happy feeling ;D, especially considering that tracking down 15 was hard. But, looking at them again I realise that I don't yet have 20. :-\ DS set 7762, right? Well, at least something to keep the blood running.
Happy New Year everybody!
StJohn
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Yes, that's the add-on 7762 one indeed.
There does always seem to be something hard to get out there yet. Keeps us collecting, if it was too easy we might get bored.
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Thanks to Graham again, I now have the white lance for number 3. I have updated the chart. Here is the figure larger
(http://animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/cap3.jpg)
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Thanks to Graham again, I now have the white lance for number 3. I have updated the chart. Here is the figure larger
:love:
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That's a fine looking addition to your collection!
When I collected the caparisons, I wasn't sure about the saddle colour for this one, Tiermann. The saddle isn't visible on the box pics for 3624. I suppose it must be white, as this is a Color set! I was using the wrong horse for a while ;D. http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=16086.msg290540#msg290540 (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=16086.msg290540#msg290540)
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Thanks to Graham again, I now have the white lance for number 3. I have updated the chart. Here is the figure larger
(http://animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/cap3.jpg)
This is a magical image
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The boys are showing off their new toys:
(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah278/fk113/Quartered%20Slashed_zpsyt5al29v.jpg)
Thanks to the wonderful Playmofriends and their sense of community and friendship :hatoff: White Quartered Slashed has arrived and my collection is now complete. My heart's desire has been fulfilled, thank you so much!
Best wishes
StJohn
Left from 7762 (rare, exquisite, gorgeous :love:); right from 4153; figure OKs from 4217.
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Congratulations!
That looks great with the figures
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I'm never sure which might be worst, to have only one item needed to complete your collection or to have your collection completed.
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I'm never sure which might be worst, to have only one item needed to complete your collection or to have your collection completed.
The second works very well for me. ;D
Still celebrating
StJohn
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The boys are showing off their new toys:
(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah278/fk113/Quartered%20Slashed_zpsyt5al29v.jpg)
Thanks to the wonderful Playmofriends and their sense of community and friendship :hatoff: White Quartered Slashed has arrived and my collection is now complete. My heart's desire has been fulfilled, thank you so much!
Best wishes
StJohn
Left from 7762 (rare, exquisite, gorgeous :love:); right from 4153; figure OKs from 4217.
Really nice colours, one of the best heraldry patterns.
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Old thread but vastly due for an update.
Here is the current chart. Just added was number 3 finally thanks in part to our friend GrahamB. I am still missing the proper white and silver lance, someday perhaps but at least I have the rest put together finally.
(http://www.animobil.info/shields/wit-icons/caparisonchart.jpg)
Concerning the Color Tournament-knight;
The info I have from some German & Dutch collectors, and from a 3624 Color Tournament MISB-set that I recently acquired myself (*), is that the shield and horsesattle in this set only came in black.
The white shield as shown in your picture comes from set 3660 Kaufmannszug. If the sattle is white as well on your 3624-knight, then it must also come from another, older Color-set with horses.
(*): the box isn´t sealed with transparent tape or glue, so it can be opened at the side to have a look at the content, which is still in the original sealed plastic bags
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That's interesting. The box of 3624 clearly shows the white shield but not the saddle. Perhaps it was white sometimes and black sometimes? The white shield seems too common to have only been in a set as rare as 3660.
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That's interesting, Hadoque. The box picture for 3624 clearly shows a white shield (the saddle is not visible), but you have a sealed set where both are black. This wouldn't be the first time the set contents were different from the box picture, of course!
Is the white shield only found in set 3660? I know Tiermann has one (it's in the photo!), but I had to paint a modern (purple) one white for my Caparison collection!
[Tiermann posted his reply just before I posted this and made the same two points as I did!]
Would you consider posting pictures of your MISB 3624 in Datenbank-Setinhalt at Klickywelt? There are only pictures of the box on there at the moment, so even pictures of sealed bags would be an improvement (but you could open them if you want!). There are quite a few gaps in the Datenbank, so any pictures of pre-1990 set contents could be very useful.
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I too was convinced the shield would be white, as shown on the box (not sure about the saddle, like you say it isn´t visible on the box´pictures).
But it turned out to be black, like the saddle.
I´ve asked around with some Color Collectors to know if there were perhaps several versions of the set, but the answers I got all point to the black shield and black saddle. (I still have to get answer from another reknown Dutch Color expert)
I know the white shield came with the famous Kaufmannszug 3660 (released 1979), I meanwhile assume also with set 3661 (released 1978) and probably 3703 (released 1978) as well. The Color Tournament-Knight Set 3624 was released with a gap of 2-3 years, in 1981, so that might perhaps explain the change...
When I´ve time I´ll take pictures for Klickywelt Datenbank-Setinhalt (still have to take a lot of pics from new custom-figures too).
But I can´t really promise the bags will still be sealed by then... you know me, I´m The Belgian Ripper ;D
I must add the set I got has the 2 Color-klickies with moveable hands, so it probably is from a production batch later then 1981?
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This is a good example of problems I have found when researching set contents of early sets:
1. The set contents sometimes don't match the picture on the box
2. The set contents sometimes change during the lifetime of a set (e.g. Fixed wrists changed to moveable hands)
3. Even quite common sets have no pictures of contents online
Thanks for sharing, Hadoque.
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Today I learned that only the early production-batches of 3660 "Kaufmannszug" came with the white shield (and white weaponry).
I knew later batches were produced with chromed weapons instead of white ones, but not that the white shield also was changed (to black).
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That's interesting too; quite a few sets seem to have had their contents changed, with or without a change in packaging (in Collector, only a change in packaging seems to merit a new Version number). I wonder why they switched from white to chrome weapons? In many cases, later set versions actually had fewer accessories than earlier ones, presumably to cut costs?