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Title: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Sir Gareth on September 28, 2007, 19:27:43
 We have had a few single figure set's similar to this one, the figure is to me though is more of a royal looking type figure and not really a pirate, the two colours on the boots is OK.
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: cachalote on September 28, 2007, 20:55:35
a "normal" set (i just received mine today).
there's only one thing i disliked - the large paper map looks and feels very low-cost.
thanks for the review.

 :)
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Martin Milner on September 28, 2007, 21:08:36
I'll undoubtedly get one when I see one. This set is very similar to the 3936 figure, and includes many of the same parts. The easel and a different map have been used elsewhere too.

I guess if you want a "Pirate Admiral" figure this is it, but Pirates didn't tend to have admirals. One or two famous names came to command a small fleet of ships, but they are the exception to the rule.

I like the new rum bottle, exactly like those in Tintin's "Red Rackham's Treasure".

Thanks for the pics and review!
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Tiermann on September 29, 2007, 02:06:09
I notice the hat has the new skull and bones logo used in the rock sets from the US 5700 series. The boots are interesting too. I think the torso and legs are potentially very useful for some customs.
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: playmofire on September 29, 2007, 03:11:30
The boots with the contrasting tops are a nice detail touch, but I have to agree with Gary that he looks more "royal" than pirate.  He'd make a good officer in a Peninsular war setting as in Sharpe.
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Martin Milner on September 29, 2007, 05:48:07
I forgot to mention the eyepatch - nice to see a new face with the patch over the other eye.

I think I've seen a left peg-leg somewhere too - looks a bit silly when all one's pirates only suffer injuries to the right side of the body.
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Captain Henry on September 30, 2007, 01:23:32
I agree 100% with Garry and Gordon regarding this "pirate's" appearance. IMO he'd make an awesome naval officer to lead a force of pirate hunters!
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Timotheos on October 30, 2007, 11:21:45
I agree 100% with Garry and Gordon regarding this "pirate's" appearance. IMO he'd make an awesome naval officer to lead a force of pirate hunters!

On the other hand, pirates weren't always outlaws-in-a-boat, but national navies with a policy of disrupting or raiding other people's shipping.

The American navy went to war with Tunisia over piracy in the 1800s.  The pirates were the Tunisian navy itself, with a bad habit of raiding European shipping lines. 

The British also did a lot of pirate raids against the Spanish. 

So, pirates aren't necessarily ragged brigands, patched and unshaven (though this fellow definitely appears to be patched and unshaven....)
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: CountBogro on November 04, 2007, 08:32:51
There's a difference between pirates and raiders. Allthough plenty of raiders did do a bit of pirating as well.
Raiders were part of a navy. When in war, they only attacked those ships of the opposing nationality. They did carry "kaperbrieven" (sorry - don't know the English word) stating the nationality of the raider and the right to attack which nationalities. Any booty they picked up were to be handed over to the authorities after arriving home, allthough the crew did get a percentage.

Pirates just went for the loot and kept it all!

A lot of raiders were navy ships. And some of them did cross the line to become full blown pirates...

Bogro
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Martin Milner on November 04, 2007, 10:48:51
They did carry "kaperbrieven" (sorry - don't know the English word) stating the nationality of the raider and the right to attack which nationalities.

Bogro

In English these are called "Letters of Marque".
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: CountBogro on November 05, 2007, 09:30:54
Thanks - should have known that ... but unfortunately ... didn't.

Thanks again!

Bogro
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: Richard on November 05, 2007, 12:38:26

Hello, Garry ...

Thank you for your review of set 4293! (Excellent photos!)

It is interesting to read so many different ideas about who this fellow might be ...:)

I guess if you want a "Pirate Admiral" figure this is it ...

He'd make a good officer in a Peninsular war setting as in Sharpe.

I agree 100% with Garry and Gordon regarding this "pirate's" appearance. IMO he'd make an awesome naval officer to lead a force of pirate hunters!

So, pirates aren't necessarily ragged brigands, patched and unshaven (though this fellow definitely appears to be patched and unshaven....)


With Sextant, Compass, Map, Caliper (Dividers) and Quill (All Navigational Tools (http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Mi-Oc/Navigation-at-Sea-History-of.html)), it is obvious (IMO) that this fine seafaring klicky is a master navigator (Sailing Master (http://www.shipwreckcenter.org/museum/museum_pages/sailing_master.html)). Many navigators were often captured and pressed into pirate service from prize ships!

All the best,
Richard



Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: socrates on August 10, 2008, 18:07:19
Hi folks...

Sorry to push this rather old thread to the top, but playing with the pirate today, I wondered if somebody ever noticed before that on the map we see the island of MADAGASCAR...  :hmm: ???

See
http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-80-2252

So, we have to open a completely new chapter and forget about the "pirates of the carribean"-stuff...  ;)

best,
socrates
Title: Re: 4293 Pirate Captain
Post by: CountBogro on August 10, 2008, 20:45:05
well ... we got lost a bit after a particular great feast with loads of Caribean Rum ...
That can happen to anyone, right? And we can all understand that it was way to embarrishing to be put in the movie. So, please - can you keep a lid on it?

Capt. Sparrow