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Title: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 21, 2011, 23:22:45
Hi  :)

In Germany & Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg (BeNeLux), the new big 5135 pirates ship (new version of the 3940/US 3286) was released near mid-August.  :yippee:
I meanwhile bought "a few"  ;) and here is some analysis of this new ship, and what has remained the same or has changed compared with the good old 3940/3286.

Because many folks are mostly curious about the hull & decks of this ship (and also because my camera went on strike at a certain moment   ::) ), I'm not posting a review of the masts & sails, nor from the klickies & accessories.
Review of that may follow later, but I won't have much time the coming month, so anyone else is welcome to do a review about the 5135's klickies and such.  :)

First:
Price for the 3940 used to be (in Belgium) on average between 80 and 100 euros, depending on the source. (that was from 2000 till ca. 2007).
Price for the 5135 is on average ca. 60 to 65 euros (sometimes somewhat cheaper in Germany).


Besides an adult-pirate that was replaced by a child-pirate, and fewer accessories, there had to be other saving-cuts on the 5135.
We also already knew there would be fake-guns behind the gunports, but still the set would include 2 cannons like on the 3940/3286.

So, would the designers have saved on other things or materials for this ship?  :hmm: Let's have a look.  ;)


ps: sorry for blurriness on some pics, or bad lighting ... pics were taken inside after daylight  :-[
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 21, 2011, 23:32:35
Pic of the 5135-hull,  and the styropor (that white thing that prevents it from sinking when putting/playing in water - or other fluids ;D ).

The hull doesn't show much difference in moulding with the 3940.

I'm very happy to say the hull's colour is a very nice darkbrown, and the topdeck a nice midbrown!  :clap:
Both much alike the 3050/3750-galleon (playmobil's 1st pirate ship from the late 70's & 80's) which many so adore!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 21, 2011, 23:50:46
And now the big surprise... :-\

The difference of the inner-deck from the 5135 compared to that one of the 3940: they've "cut off" about half of it compared to the 3940.

* It still has the same colour, but see for yourselves what is left off.

* The mid-section of the innerdeck has shrunk to the size of the area underneath the cargohold-hatches. If desired, canons can be put (or squeezed because space is a little tiny) on both sides of the cargohold.

* The front of the inner-deck has dissappeared, the inner-deck ends where the front mast has to be installed.


(in the pics: 3940/3286 above and 5135 beneath for comparison)

Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 21, 2011, 23:54:27
At the stern (the back of the ship), the cabin-deck is still there, but the darkbrown table and white bed-matras from the 3940 are gone, there is now a table that is part of the mould and also the complete bed and matras are one brown piece of the mould. On the 3940 there was room to put small parts under the matras, this is no longer possible on the 5135.

Besides the dissappearence of the white matras, the small white ornaments for on the bedcorners are no longer included.

Good news is (pic to follow later in the thread) that you can still add the white ornaments if you have some spare ones, and if you have a spare white matras you can put it on top of the moulded brown matras, it just fits. (but a klicky will fall of the bed when holding the ship not straight).


pic: 5135 on the left, 3940/3286 on the right
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 21, 2011, 23:57:07
Some view of the backs of the inner-decks.

I'm gonna call the innerdeck of the 3940/3286 "gundeck", and the innerdeck of the new 5135 "cargodeck".


1st pic: 3940/3286
2nd pic: 5135
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:04:36
And now for the (fake) canons...

There are tiny clip-on "guns" on the 5135, to be installed in the gunport-openings.


(the screws in the 1st pic are not for the guns, but are the screws to assemble the decks...they came in the same bag as the fake guns)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:10:54
There are slight modifications (grooves/slots) to the gunport-openings on the 5135's hull compared to the 3940/3286's gunports, to allow the fake-guns to be slided in the gunports.
This means you cannot install (without modification) the fake-guns in the gunports of a 3940/3286's hull!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:23:45
Now we come to the upperdeck.

Compared with the 3940/3286, the major change (besides the colour that is now midbrown like on the 3050/3750-ships) is that the opening to install/reach canons in the bow-section has been closed. There is no lid to put on/take off; the closure is part of the upperdeck's mould.

And the separate stairs on the 3940/3286 to access the ship's higher stern-deck, are now part of the deck-mould.


On the top of the railing on 5135's stern, there are 2 small grooves added to allow installment of the big golden coin that comes in this set. The coin can be used to break the treasure-code in set 5134 Treasure Island.
Luckily the big coin and the thing to attach it to the 5135-ship's stern can be easily left off  ;)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:32:54
Here 2 sideviews of the 5135's upperdeck, one with the upperdeck put on the 5135's "cargodeck" and one when put on the 3940/3286's "gundeck.

Question now: Could the 3940's canondeck (= innerdeck) be installed in a 5135 for customisation purposes, like having the 3940's cabin layout and/or a bigger cargohold and/or installing real Playmobil-shipguns?? ???
Answer to follow later!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:38:55
Here some views of the undersides of the upperdecks of the 5135 (brown) and 3940/3286 (red)...
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:45:06
Now let's screw the 5135's upperdeck with the "cargodeck" inside to the ship's hull, and when that is done, have a look on the cargohold and the ship's cabin.

Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:47:32
Here I put a white matras from a 3940 on the 5135's bed, to hide that one's (ugly) brown-moulded-matras...
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 00:55:57
Then, the 5135's stickers for on the ship's sides and the stern.

On pics seen on the internet, on Playmo's website and on the 5135's box as well, the stickers look nice darkred. But in reality, they tend more towards a redpink kind of colour, especially in certain lighting conditions (f.e. full broad daylight shining into the house)...

Also, when compared with the 3940/3286's blue sidestickers and deepred heck-sticker, the 5135's stickers are made of much thinner material.

You can put them on or leave them off.
On one 5135 that I've changed into an English navy frigate, I put them on combined with a 3940/3286's gold-coloured bow-ornament. On another 5135 that I equipped as a pirate-ship and on which I kept the 5135's red bow-ornament, I left them off.
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 01:09:14
Pics of the stickers applied on the ship...
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 01:12:38
Here are the red "thingies" that come with the 5135-ship:

The anchor-wheel and the ship's stearing-wheel ("helm") and the bow-ornament (where the bowsprite holding the bowsail is to be installed on) are in a darkred colour, much like the colour of the 3940/3286-ship's upperdeck. (so darker red then the stickers!)

A 3940/3286-ship equipped with this red bow-ornament, instead of it's original golden one, looks also rather good. (I forgot to take a pic of that...).
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 01:13:37
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Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 01:20:26
The cabin's windows come in a dark-yellow (gold on the 3940/3286)...

They look quite nice on the 5135 imho. If you don't like the yellow, you can install instead the golden ones from the 3940.
But the yellow ones give more colour-distinction with the ship's midbrown deck and so accentuate more the ship's stern. (historically, ships from the 16th/17th/18th-centuries had colourfull sterns).

Also, the yellow windows compensate for the darkred bow-piece (especially when you don't apply the ship's stickers).
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 01:28:45
Here is the final picture of this (partly) 5135-review:
the complete hull, cargodeck and upperdeck with parts and stickers installed.


Sorry again for not having pics of the masts & sails and klickies & accessories!  :-[

I can happily provide this info though about masts & sails:
The masts and bowsprite are in a very darkbrown colour, the spars to put the sails on come in black. The sails are a little thinner in fabric as the ones from the 3940/3286, they are printed on the front and on the back.

The sail with the skull on: when not having a 2nd one without skull on hand and wanting a ship without skull-sails, you could put on the skull-sail backwards on the aft-mast as a makeshift-solution since the skull is only printed on the front; it doesn't shine through when the sail is installed with the skull towards the ship's stern.
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: bonniebeth on August 22, 2011, 01:34:23
Thanks so much for the very thorough review of.... part of the ship. ;D I'm very happy with the colors of this ship! No bright primary colors, except maybe the stickers. Can't wait to get my hands on it!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: PrimusPilus on August 22, 2011, 02:04:28
All in all I think it's pretty nice. Thanks for the review! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/luwerner/gif/clapping.gif)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on August 22, 2011, 02:49:11
hmmmm.... i noticed, unmodified, the 3940 is most stable in water when:

1. there are no cannons aboard
2. you remove the gundeck/captain's quarters to save on top-heavy plastic
3. you seal the foredeck, cargo hold, and gunports to prevent from taking on water and capsizing.

Seems the 5135 covers all those stability issues by remoulding the appropriate pieces accordingly (while I've had to do it manually on my ships).

Anyone want to trade their 5135 inner for my 3940 decks so you can have a real deck that can house cannons on it?

Anyone want to sell or get rid of their faux cannon inserts and/or 5135 lower hull? (or trade?)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: tahra on August 22, 2011, 07:47:18
This means you cannot install (without modification) the fake-guns in the gunports of a 3940/3286's hull!

Bah. You read my mind, was just gonna ask that. I MUST refrain from buying more pirate ships, but as soon as I saw those fake guns I was thinking of getting some for my 3940... So, thanks for the answer - even before I asked! ;)

And thank you for the great review!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Wolf Knight on August 22, 2011, 08:38:07
WOW WOW WOW!!! One more ship for my collection  ;D ;D ;D It really sad for the inside and the cannons though, but the colours are great!!!

Even if it is this way, and thank you very much Erwin for the detailed preview and pics and most importanlty for the comparison pics, I'd love to get a couple of them... and maybe even do what you did with the ''Black Prince'' if you dont mind?
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: tonguello on August 22, 2011, 11:55:27
Erwin this was a fantastic review!
All in all I really like the ship and I will get it as soon as I can.
I really like the colors, even more than the 3940 actually, except for the red thinghies  :( but those can be change or paint, so no big deal.

 :wave: Thanx!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: WarriorOfToys on August 22, 2011, 13:17:52
Did I miss it? Can you put the 3940 lower deck in the 5135 ship? ???

Great review! I am really excited about this ship.
It doesn't look so bad without the weird stickers...
And I like the idea of putting the rear sticker from the 3940 on instead. :)

Thanks very much for the review! :wow:
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 22, 2011, 22:23:01
I forgot to mention:

1) there is no screwdriver included in the set, in contrary like was the case with the 3940.
("Arizzo" will kill me if he reads this  :lol:  Old joke from Playmoboard-times  ;))

2) the ballast-weight to put on the underside of the hull for stabilisation when "playing" in water is no longer included. It will be available through DS as an add-on set, like the underwater-motor already is...  ::) ... (this is mentioned on the set's instructions)


Did I miss it? Can you put the 3940 lower deck in the 5135 ship?

Yep!  :yup:
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on August 22, 2011, 23:57:00
the 3490 WILL actually float without the weighted keel as long as it's free from cargo and extraneous crew.

Since the 5135 solved most of those immediate stability issues, I guess it makes sense it doesn't come with the ballast.

Question:  have you done a float test of it yet without the ballast?  please do tell!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Wesley Myers on August 23, 2011, 03:24:20
I forgot to mention:

1) there is no screwdriver included in the set, in contrary like was the case with the 3940.
("Arizzo" will kill me if he reads this  :lol:  Old joke from Playmoboard-times  ;))

2) the ballast-weight to put on the underside of the hull for stabilisation when "playing" in water is no longer included. It will be available through DS as an add-on set, like the underwater-motor already is...  ::) ... (this is mentioned on the set's instructions)


Yep!  :yup:

Since DS charges by the weightage (yes, it's a word - now) maybe the price being that much cheaper to buy this ship is because of the reduced weight of the box.

They (Playmobil) sure know how to cut down their costs and pass them onto the consumer in another way (ie DS ballast weight)...  :hmm: :doh: :no: :wall:

Well, I guess when you get this set you will feel like you actually encountered some real pirates...
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: tahra on August 23, 2011, 07:37:28
Since DS charges by the weightage (yes, it's a word - now) maybe the price being that much cheaper to buy this ship is because of the reduced weight of the box.

Uhm.. Are you a browncoat? (sorry for the OT)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: playmofire on August 23, 2011, 08:50:36
Thank you for an excellent review and comparison, Erwin.

When you first mentioned that the mattress was moulded into the bed now I wondered if one of the old ones would fit, although the thought also occurred to me that in rough weather the klicky captain would roll out of the bunk!  Thanks for answering both questions.

Look forward to more on this ship.   :wave:
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: PrimusPilus on August 23, 2011, 11:20:32
I would love to see pics of it completed!
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Hadoque on August 23, 2011, 16:08:04
I'll try to make pics of a completed one (with the original stickers on it and with masts & sails) this evening or tomorrow, I'm not having much time this week.

A (somewhat) customized version is already to be seen in the thread "Black Prince".

@ Black Pearl:
No, I haven't tested it yet in water (it didn't even occur to me to test that when I was assembling it, as my ships are mostly intended for display & making settings  :-[ ).
It will certainly float without the ballast, as it is lighter then a 3940/3286. Like you say, when adding guns, cargo and crew that's a different story.
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Dove on August 23, 2011, 22:20:43
 :thanks: for the review, Hadoque. A nice one !
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: cachalote on August 27, 2011, 01:48:13
:thanks: thanks for the fantastic review hadoque.
 :hmm: ... finally the mistery surrounding the cannons is solved.
 ;) i am still hoping for a better version to be released when the new large imperial warship is launched - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5891.0
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: WarriorOfToys on August 27, 2011, 04:47:22
... ;) i am still hoping for a better version to be released when the new large imperial warship is launched - http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5891.0

Yes. :yup:
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Jmax on October 25, 2011, 04:13:58
I just noticed that the US ToysRus "Great Big ToysRus Book" just came out and has the 5135 pirate ship on sale for 20% off the regular price of 69.99 (it's 55.99 from Oct 30-Nov 23).
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: Jimbo on October 25, 2011, 13:00:57
Great review, Hadoque. :)9

That looks like a fine ship.  I saw it yesterday in TRU, did not get it though.....

Bert regards,
Jimbo
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 26, 2011, 15:34:03
Great review, Hadoque. :)9

That looks like a fine ship.  I saw it yesterday in TRU, did not get it though.....

Bert regards,
Jimbo

Wait until after Oct. 30th,
they are having a 20% off sale. ;)
Title: Re: "New 5135 Pirates' Ship": hull & decks review and comparison with 3940/3286
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 27, 2011, 05:55:50
I just noticed that the US ToysRus "Great Big ToysRus Book" just came out and has the 5135 pirate ship on sale for 20% off the regular price of 69.99 (it's 55.99 from Oct 30-Nov 23).

i'm confused, the normal price is 69.99?  I just looked up the online toysrus price and it's at $94.99!  expensive!
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3368229 (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3368229)

OOOOOPSS EDIT:  just realized that's the 4290