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General => Report & Review => Topic started by: WarriorOfToys on September 28, 2010, 01:23:20

Title: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on September 28, 2010, 01:23:20
I would love to see a better below deck system...
Like instead of one deck, there are 2! :o
And you can pull them out fairly easily to gain easy access. :)

Also, it would be great if they were tall enough to stand in! :D
If you look at a Playmobil ship,
I don't think any of them have a below deck that has enough head space to stand...
The 3940 doesn't even have enough room to sit in!
(At least, not if your klicky has a hat... :-\ )

Maybe both of those together is unrealistic...
But one or the other would be awesome! ;D
I would also like to see better sleeping quarters...
Or for that matter, some sleeping quarters at all!
Only the captain seems to get to sleep,
The rest of the crew have no where! :'(

So that, and maybe a kitchen! ;D

What does everyone else want to see in the next Playmobil ship? ???
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Andy R on September 28, 2010, 04:00:54
So that, and maybe a kitchen! ;D
You mean “galley.”

I want to see ALL of this, and radio controlled powered hull so I can turn them loose in open water without fear of loosing them. (And the ability to order more crew, with new belts.)

EDIT: And if it’s gonna be a sailing ship, no ratted sails… It’s embarrassing. And of course, re-use the mold used for the spars from the Roman Monoreme (set #4276, part number 3Ø 61 864Ø).

SECOND EDIT: And a three decker with 8 guns per broadside per deck (and a few swivel guns, a version of flintlock blunderbuss/3Ø Ø6 6Ø7Ø with the grip of the long barrel flintlock pistol/3Ø Ø9 544Ø instead of the stock, mounted on the telescope stand/3Ø Ø9 265Ø).
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Justindo on September 28, 2010, 05:45:57
I'd like to see a longer three-masted black and yellow ship of the line with eight heavy guns (four on each side) and two swivel guns on the bow and two on the stern.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Heronimus on September 28, 2010, 05:47:27
I dont have expectation, but would love one with some more realistic colour scheme, and that will be my first ship in my collection. :wave:
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Giorginetto on October 13, 2010, 11:31:24
 twice the size as the current ones with two cannon decks , each with at least 5 cannons , a total of 20 cannons therefore . I really like the previous cannon galleon with the 8 proper cannons and not these horrid new ones with the ugly looking volleys... Shame playmobil has gotten it so wrong with the latest ship designs though the latest pirate sets are truly awesome , not the core ship design. cannons, cannons, cannons and taller masts etc , as i said TWICE the size , that will be quite something !!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I would get 1o of them and make a proper armada ..
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bolingbroke on October 13, 2010, 12:28:56
twice the size as the current ones with two cannon decks , each with at least 5 cannons , a total of 20 cannons therefore . I really like the previous cannon galleon with the 8 proper cannons and not these horrid new ones with the ugly looking volleys... Shame playmobil has gotten it so wrong with the latest ship designs though the latest pirate sets are truly awesome , not the core ship design. cannons, cannons, cannons and taller masts etc , as i said TWICE the size , that will be quite something !!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I would get 1o of them and make a proper armada ..

It would cost at least 300 euro. I can't imagine parents queueing up to buy it for their children, this christmas. Maybe something for the Collectors' Club?
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Wolf Knight on October 13, 2010, 12:29:45
I always love seeing a new playmobil ship, no matter if its bad design or a true masterpiece!!! So yeah!!! Hit me with it!!!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 13, 2010, 15:08:55
I got my first pirate ship today 3940 MISB. I have to pick it up tonight after work, and I've never seen one in my life (except for photos) so I wouldn't know how to answer to this thread. but I could come back to this thread later during the weekend and tell you what I think......
So far Im terribly happy with my new ship just like it is, eventhough I haven't even seen it yet!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gaston
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: bonniebeth on October 14, 2010, 00:03:05
Yes, a ship big enough for all this would be very expensive. But what if they had extentions? The basic set could have the bow and stern and enough in between to make it usable as is. But then you could buy one or two inserts for the middle to expand it, like putting leaves in a table. And then the below deck could be a series of extentions, too. One to go under just the bow and stern, and others to go under the extentions.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 14, 2010, 02:56:52
It would be great to see a ship with multiple gun decks that is truly sea worthy, balanced & won't sink if the loads & personnel are not distributed equally :yup:!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 14, 2010, 04:59:50
Yes, a ship big enough for all this would be very expensive. But what if they had extentions? The basic set could have the bow and stern and enough in between to make it usable as is. But then you could buy one or two inserts for the middle to expand it, like putting leaves in a table. And then the below deck could be a series of extentions, too. One to go under just the bow and stern, and others to go under the extentions.

I had the same wish in another thread, about treating the ships as you would the castles, where the base unit can be a stand-alone unit, but can also accept add-on parts to expand the hull.  I would even venture to say that it is completely possible to make each expansion hull unit floatable on it's own, that way the ship can be configured in multiple layouts (as a castle) yet retain it's floatability.

As far as the base ships as is, I've tried to incorporate my wants into my custom Black Pearl, with a third mast, more realistic stern and bow, 3 tiers of cloth sails that can furl and unfurl, ships bell, more cannons both on the gundeck AND the main deck.  When I'm finished with the pearl it will have 20 guns total without looking crowded at all.

I wish the ships came like this though.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Andy R on October 14, 2010, 05:28:35
It would cost at least 300 euro. I can't imagine parents queueing up to buy it for their children, this christmas. Maybe something for the Collectors' Club?
A bit on the steep side I should think for such a limited ship… If I had the money I might get one… Just seems fairly lightly armed for the money…
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 14, 2010, 11:35:41
well..... so far I just opened my 3286 box and looked around..... all I can say until now is "JUST 2 CANNONS??? I know you guys want like 20 but at least 4 should come with the set. 2 for each side, don't you think? anyway.... I gues one can expand that but I have the feeling this would be as hard to get as steck..... right?  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Andy R on October 14, 2010, 16:11:24
The guns themselves are easy to get- It’s the mounting them that’s a *****.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 14, 2010, 17:39:06
The guns themselves are easy to get- It’s the mounting them that’s a *****.

mounting them?  You mean below deck?  In their stock positions?  why is it difficult to mount them?  Not enough space for adult-sized hands to fit through the hatches?

I dunno, I have large hands (but slender), and have no prob gettin in there to mount the guns.

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well..... so far I just opened my 3286 box and looked around..... all I can say until now is "JUST 2 CANNONS??? I know you guys want like 20 but at least 4 should come with the set. 2 for each side, don't you think? anyway.... I gues one can expand that but I have the feeling this would be as hard to get as steck..... right?

I agree, I was much disappointed the first time I discovered the 3286 only comes with 2 cannons.  Just to buy the additional six cannons runs about US$30.  Seems a bit much.  Considering I am now sporting 20 cannons brings my armament costs up to....OMG I can't believe I've spent an additional US$90 on this ship!  I've purchased parts for my ship little by little, so never noticed ow much it adds up til now! Yikes!  Tme to start resin casting again, maybe save some money for multiple copies of the same part.

And on the subject of expanding but still remaining floatable, the Matchbox Pirate ship sort of does this (simplified, but same idea):  each component floats on its own, and can pass for it's own playset individually, but can be combined in different ways to form a bigger ship that also floats:

(http://www.mrsmoneysaver.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/matchbox-pirate-ship.jpg)
(http://buyersreviewsource.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/matchbox-mega-rig-pirate-ship-300x300.jpg)
(http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/126/77/matchbox-mega-rig-pirate-ship-12677287.jpeg)
(http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/b/0/0/80/9/AAAAC7vAwEwAAAAAAICYQw.jpg?v=1257118233000)

p.s. I want that Octopus in the pic.  I wish Playmobil would come out with a much bigger Octopus/Squid that actually has articulated tentacles and can still float.

p.p.s.  Has anyone purchased the 2-ghost pirates blister card that comes with a row boat and a mini version of the normal playmo octopus?  (US Toys R Us).  I've been staring at it, but not sure if I should buy it.
(http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-7993765dt.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 14, 2010, 17:53:49
Yes, a ship big enough for all this would be very expensive. But what if they had extentions? The basic set could have the bow and stern and enough in between to make it usable as is. But then you could buy one or two inserts for the middle to expand it, like putting leaves in a table. And then the below deck could be a series of extentions, too. One to go under just the bow and stern, and others to go under the extentions.

I think that is a brilliant solution! :)
I would certainly like to see it! :yup:
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Wolf Knight on October 14, 2010, 17:56:57
Yes, a ship big enough for all this would be very expensive. But what if they had extentions? The basic set could have the bow and stern and enough in between to make it usable as is. But then you could buy one or two inserts for the middle to expand it, like putting leaves in a table. And then the below deck could be a series of extentions, too. One to go under just the bow and stern, and others to go under the extentions.

That would certainly be an innovation!!!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 14, 2010, 18:38:54
It would cost at least 300 euro. I can't imagine parents queueing up to buy it for their children, this christmas. Maybe something for the Collectors' Club?

It could always be an expensive limited edition for serious collectors like LEGO does with the STAR WARS series.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bolingbroke on October 14, 2010, 18:39:57
It could always be an expensive limited edition for serious collectors like LEGO does with the STAR WARS series.

Yes, that would be cool.

Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 14, 2010, 18:58:20
Here is my crude mock-up of how the ship could be expandable.  It would feature a base set consisting of a bow, a stern, and one mid-section piece, forming a tri-mast ship.

The middle piece can be expanded by adding additional mid-section hull pieces.

Additionally, the ship can also be expanded by additional deck levels, allowing multi-decked ships.

Different configurations can be accomplished by adding extra topmasts, spritsail masts, etc....

I want it!

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/expandablePLAYMOship.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bolingbroke on October 14, 2010, 19:08:07
It will never happen - sorry to burst your bubble  ;D

The same way my Rorke's Drift theme will never happen, and the same way a PM Apache helicopter will never happen. Still ... I must say it's a very clever idea you came up with.

 :)
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Wolf Knight on October 14, 2010, 19:16:04
It may never happen but BlackPearl's idea and plans are briliant!!!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 14, 2010, 20:32:17
I dunno, maybe if they started with a smaller ship,
Like with two masts. (or one)

It is a lot different then the other ships that they have produced...
Which may be why Playmobil would be "nervous" to produce this.

But if they started with a smaller ship,
Like the "take along castle."
It is a totally different system,
not steck, not system X, and not the new stuff. :hmm:

I think if they tried it out with a little ship where you could expand it like Black Pearl says,
It could be a little more feasible/realistic.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: playmo1989 on October 14, 2010, 21:09:28
the new ship 4290

 
(http://www.thetoyshop.com/media/toyshop/products/Playmobil/Zoom/337899.jpg)
 
 
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Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 14, 2010, 21:43:31
the new ship 4290

 
(http://www.thetoyshop.com/media/toyshop/products/Playmobil/Zoom/337899.jpg)
 
 
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The gimmicks on this ship don't counter it's ugly aesthetics.  The only redeeming quality this ship has IMO is that it has 2 extra sails.  The stern is ok-looking, but the bow is absolutely atrocious, having exposed ribs on the bow, and ugly figurehead (no matter which one you choose to display), and a lack of a true gun deck, not to mention the colours and lack of real rigging.  I bought a cheap one of ebay for US$20 where repainting it will help cure some of the aesthetics, but its design is going to have to be severly overhauled.  The new ship is far from any vision of what I'd want in a new ship design.  This one really is for kiddies.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: playmo1989 on October 14, 2010, 21:49:32
The gimmicks on this ship don't counter it's ugly aesthetics.  The only redeeming quality this ship has IMO is that it has 2 extra sails.  The stern is ok-looking, but the bow is absolutely atrocious, having exposed ribs on the bow, and ugly figurehead (no matter which one you choose to display), and a lack of a true gun deck, not to mention the colours and lack of real rigging.  I bought a cheap one of ebay for US$20 where repainting it will help cure some of the aesthetics, but its design is going to have to be severly overhauled.  The new ship is far from any vision of what I'd want in a new ship design.  This one really is for kiddies.


true  :yup: :yup: :yup: :yup:
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: bonniebeth on October 14, 2010, 22:20:26
Great plans, blackpearl! That's exactly what I had in mind. I guess great minds think alike!   ;D  I also think it will probably never happen, but we can dream can't we?

I like the pirate theme, but I actually don't have any pirate ships, mostly because I am not satisfied with anything they've come out with. If they made this ship, I'd be sold on collecting pirates!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 14, 2010, 23:19:10
Here is my crude mock-up of how the ship could be expandable.  It would feature a base set consisting of a bow, a stern, and one mid-section piece, forming a tri-mast ship.

The middle piece can be expanded by adding additional mid-section hull pieces.

Additionally, the ship can also be expanded by additional deck levels, allowing multi-decked ships.

Different configurations can be accomplished by adding extra topmasts, spritsail masts, etc....

I want it!

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/expandablePLAYMOship.jpg)

It is a great idea especially if they would include enough cannons to adorn the openings for each added section kit! Would you recommend using some type of silicone sealer on the addition joints to make the ship water worthy? How far below the water line would the bottom of the ship need to extend to prevent water from entering the gun ports due to the present problem of shallow hulls taking in water in the current PM designs? I have another question concerning creating a ship of this enormous size regarding balance on water,...how much ballast would you estimate it would need to stay upright, fully manned & equipped ???? Sorry for so many questions, but this idea intrigues me :eh?:!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: bonniebeth on October 15, 2010, 00:15:56
Yes, ballast might be a problem, because as you added extensions, you would have extra weight on various levels if each level were weighted at the bottom. But you could have detachable weights that you could snap onto the bottom if you were going to put it in the water, but take off so it could rest on a table.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 00:41:16
It is a great idea especially if they would include enough cannons to adorn the openings for each added section kit! Would you recommend using some type of silicone sealer on the addition joints to make the ship water worthy? How far below the water line would the bottom of the ship need to extend to prevent water from entering the gun ports due to the present problem of shallow hulls taking in water in the current PM designs? I have another question concerning creating a ship of this enormous size regarding balance on water,...how much ballast would you estimate it would need to stay upright, fully manned & equipped ???? Sorry for so many questions, but this idea intrigues me :eh?:!

Well, on a larger multi-decked ship like the Victory, you can see here that almost HALF the entire hull is below the waterline!

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/victoryDRYDOCK.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/TindallVictory.jpg)

But even on a correctly-portioned scale model (sailable) ship like the one in the above pic, I have seen the lowest cannon ports delve below the waterline in rough waters;  even if the ship (even a playmoship) is scaled correctly with correct ballast and everything, one thing will always be out of scale: WAVES.  Real life waves don't shrink down to accommodate our miniature ships!  Even when scaled correctly, this still puts our cannon ports only an inch or two above the waterline in real life.  So, much like the model above, the cannon ports, while they may still brandish cannons, will have to somehow be sealed off from the hull because they ARE going to delve below the waterline at some point, unless you're just sailing your ship in a still pond/bathtub.

On my Black Pearl, I find when fully loaded with all cannons and personnel, along with enough ballast to counter the extra topend weight, it also follows this rule, where a little less than half the ship's hull is below the waterline (bringing the cannon ports way too close to the water.)

So, IMO, maybe there would have to be additional hull-bottom add-ons (or make the base hull bottom deep to begin with) to counter extra decks being stacked.   In short, every time you add an extra deck, you have to have that much more "bottom" thickness" to the hull to compensate.  So when you build up, you also have to build down.

However, if you're simply trying to increase the length of the ship by adding  single hull units (and not stacking decks), it shouldn't need any extra compensation other than additional ballast which should already be incorporated in each individual hull unit.

As far as sealant between compartments, my thoughts was that the compartments would be self-contained, at least on the bottom portions that fall below the waterline.  (each piece could float on it's own).  Technically, if assembled with multiple units, water could still get in between the units, but won't leak INTO the units. Essentially, the units below the waterline will have walls that are sealed off completely from the other units.  this is actually an innovation that real ships would later employ:  compartamentalized hull sections.  In real life this allowed ships to purposely flood specific compartments to adjust ballast according to the ship's current load.  Also, for fishing vessels, it allowed parts of the hull to be filled with water to take on live catch.  More importantly, compartamentalized hull sections were safer, in case the hull was breached, only that specific part of the hull would take on water instead of the entire ship, thus saving the ship from sinking completely.

In my vision, the hull sections would join firmly together via some sort of male-female system (I doubt system x would be strong enough).

The portions above the water line wouldn't have to have sealed off walls.  They'd still have walls, but there will be doors/passageways connecting the decks so the klickies can still walk the length of the ship on each deck.

I'll have to draw this up with pencil or mouse tablet later, as drawing with MS Paint line tool is tedious.

I know this'll probably never happen, but this is our wishful thinking thread, is it not?   :D
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 15, 2010, 02:11:16
Of-course there are those of us
who never actually put our ships in water... :P ::)

There is also another problem,
Would they be able to make it water tight? ???
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 02:36:18
Of-course there are those of us
who never actually put our ships in water... :P ::)

There is also another problem,
Would they be able to make it water tight? ???

As I said, the bottom hulls would be compartamentalized and each one would be individually water-tight below the waterline. Think of it as a bunch of square boxes (with no tops) floating in the water separately, each on their own, but you can connect them all together to make a longer (and still able to float) vessel.  There might be water where each box joins with the next, but there wouldn't be any water IN any box.  There would be no passage from one compartment to another below the waterline, but then you can stack additional compartments on TOP of the now joined boxes that do have passage ways (or no walls at all) between the sections so a klicky can still walk the length of the ship unimpeded.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 02:49:26
Just in case anyone was wondering, I decided to play around with some proportions.

Using the 3286 ship as a reference, and basing the size off the playmobil cannons, were Playmobil to release a grand flag ship ala HMS Victory, brandishing 100 guns across 3 gundecks (not including the main deck), AND have a proportionate bottom hull to accommodate a realistic waterline, according to my calculations, in Playmobil proportions, the HMS Playmobil Flagship would be about 1.8 metres long (1.3 metres without the bowsprit) and 1.8 metres tall to the highest mast.

This is about a ratio of 3:1 (as far as length goes) when compared to the existing 3286 ship that is only about 60 cm long, and about the same in heighth.  (technically though, this imperial ship is 9 times bigger than the 3286; it would literally take 9 3286 ships to hack up and join together to make this ship with 3 gundecks totalling 100 guns.  Just in relative cost alone, considering a brand new 3286 at original retail went for about US$80-90, that would bring this size ship to about US$720 at LEAST!)

My measurements may be a little off, but the point is, this thing would be about as tall if not TALLER than me!  (I am 1.6 metres tall). Just to check, I did stack 3 3286 ships end to end and layed down next to them to find that their length did in fact exceed my own.  From the pic you can see the 100-gun warship in playmobil proportions is roughly 3 times as long as the 3286 ship, just to accommodate about 15-16 guns per row (one 3286 can theoretically accommodate about 5 guns across the length of its hull, although Playmobil only gave us 4 ports).

Take a look at this behemoth monstrosity!

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/imperialPLAYMOship.jpg)

Bigger, even, I wager, than MacGuyver's Dolphin.  Hmmm, after looking at how unrealistically huge this would have to be, I am beginning to think MacGayver's Dolphin is the closest we may ever see to a Playmobil multi-decked flagship.  This just seems too big for a company to produce realistically.

I still think it may have SOME hope if it can be built through a series of expansion components.  I think, realistically, perhaps a mere extended hull with a third mast ala MacGuyver's Unicorn may be the best we can hope for from Playmobil, without having to customize one ourselves.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 03:53:55
The guns themselves are easy to get- It’s the mounting them that’s a *****.
Sadly Andy I just have seen your point. I have big hands. It's imposible to put them below deck. In fact the space in the whole ship is small for me. I put on a clicky and 2 fall down. it's upsetting. I love the ship though. But I would like it to be bigger.
One thing that's wrong and a waste of space (IMHO) is the inclined upper deck (name?) no one can stand there unless they are holding the ....wheel....to maneuver the ship (timon in spanish).....what's the name of that in english?  :lol: :lol: excuse my ignorance in this theme. So only ine clicky goes there and it is the biggest space in the whole ship.
anyway.... i'll play more this weekend. So far I really like it!!!!
GAston
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 04:00:37
Sadly Andy I just have seen your point. I have big hands. It's imposible to put them below deck. In fact the space in the whole ship is small for me. I put on a clicky and 2 fall down. it's upsetting. I love the ship though. But I would like it to be bigger.
One thing that's wrong and a waste of space (IMHO) is the inclined upper deck (name?) no one can stand there unless they are holding the ....wheel....to maneuver the ship (timon in spanish).....what's the name of that in english?  :lol: :lol: excuse my ignorance in this theme. So only ine clicky goes there and it is the biggest space in the whole ship.
anyway.... i'll play more this weekend. So far I really like it!!!!
GAston

Ship's wheel, or helm is what it is in english, I believe, upon the poop deck.  I know how you mean the largest open deck only really has one hand-hold (the wheel).  I suppose you can sort of make them peer over the edge of the ship and use their arms to hold the wall, but it is not fool-proof, and they will still slide.  Lucky for me I added a mizzen mast on that deck, and my klickies can grab hold onto the shrouds there.  You should customize it!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Andy R on October 15, 2010, 04:12:38
But even on a correctly-portioned scale model (sailable) ship like the one in the above pic, I have seen the lowest cannon ports delve below the waterline in rough waters;  even if the ship (even a playmoship) is scaled correctly with correct ballast and everything, one thing will always be out of scale: WAVES.
This was a danger with real ships of that era; That’s why the gun posts had to be closed whenever not engaged in actual combat (and leading to another term in the lexicon, “gundecking,” which means “entering into the record information obtain inappropriately,” such as by filling out the entire log, then entering the variables after the fact, or getting the weather direction and speed from the ship’s pennants rather than from the annonmeter).
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/imperialPLAYMOship.jpg)
Loving it… Maybe even (dare I say it…) too big.
Sadly Andy I just have seen your point. I have big hands. It's imposible to put them below deck.
Actually, it’s not that… It’s that the hulls aren’t formed for mounting additional guns. You have to cut, grind, drill, etc… Anyways.
But I do feel your pain about “big hands” (as exemplified by my using forceps to re-gun EAGLE after an extended yard period earlier this year).
One thing that's wrong and a waste of space (IMHO) is the inclined upper deck (name?)
Quarterdeck. On modern (mastless) ship’s that area is referred to as the fantail.
no one can stand there unless they are holding the ....wheel....to maneuver the ship (timon in spanish).....
It’s the ship’s wheel ( or just “the wheel”), and that’s not necessarily true; But those holding onto the wheel do have an advantage.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 07:56:32
Great plans, blackpearl! That's exactly what I had in mind. I guess great minds think alike!   ;D  I also think it will probably never happen, but we can dream can't we?

I like the pirate theme, but I actually don't have any pirate ships, mostly because I am not satisfied with anything they've come out with. If they made this ship, I'd be sold on collecting pirates!

u should still collect pirates!  3050 and 3286 style ships are still very good designs! as are the schooners/corsairs.  just look at macgayvers pirates for inspiration :

http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/First%20gallery%20pages/macgayverplaymobil%20%20schepen.htm (http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/First%20gallery%20pages/macgayverplaymobil%20%20schepen.htm)
(http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/images/macgayverplaymobil%20frans%20kasteel%2002.jpg)

and see playmoships sail:
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5714.0 (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5714.0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNroKEGAAJc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNroKEGAAJc&feature=related)
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: bonniebeth on October 15, 2010, 13:21:17
Yes, yes, I do love pirates.  :captain: :arrr:  I grew up watching Treasure Island and playing with legoland pirates with my brother. As a baby, I once crawled up to my brother's toy knife and started swordfighting it with my pacifier!

I've been trying so hard to resist getting into other playmobil themes (zoo is my theme).But I do have a few playmobil pirates, including one on my keychain! I'm sure I will break down and start buying them very soon.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 15, 2010, 16:15:20
Sadly Andy I just have seen your point. I have big hands. It's imposible to put them below deck. In fact the space in the whole ship is small for me. I put on a clicky and 2 fall down. it's upsetting. I love the ship though. But I would like it to be bigger.
One thing that's wrong and a waste of space (IMHO) is the inclined upper deck (name?) no one can stand there unless they are holding the ....wheel....to maneuver the ship (timon in spanish).....what's the name of that in english?  :lol: :lol: excuse my ignorance in this theme. So only ine clicky goes there and it is the biggest space in the whole ship.
anyway.... i'll play more this weekend. So far I really like it!!!!
GAston

The correction to Klicky's falling down on the poop deck & other locations on the ship if something isn't within their grasp to hold on, is for small clear tee's to be positioned on the deck pieces like the 4469 nautical exploration ship has, that slide in between the worker Klicky's feet keeping them in position during movement.

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Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 17:14:37
That's cool Bill, but 3286 does not have that, nor little holes on the deck. Anyway, Andy was right. I couldn make the clikies stand today (last night it was very late and clearly I was half asleep  :lol:) if they are standing straight and have nothing in their hands. I don't think that would work while floating though..... But Bill's comment make me wonder if I should customize the poop deck.
 :-\ :-\ :hmm:
 
Did anybody fill the bathtub up and make your ships taste the waters? or am I going to be the only crazy one tomorrow?  :-[ :-[ :-[

Gaston
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 15, 2010, 18:05:19
That's cool Bill, but 3286 does not have that, nor little holes on the deck. Anyway, Andy was right. I couldn make the clikies stand today (last night it was very late and clearly I was half asleep  :lol:) if they are standing straight and have nothing in their hands. I don't think that would work while floating though..... But Bill's comment make me wonder if I should customize the poop deck.
 :-\ :-\ :hmm:
 
Did anybody filled the bathtub up and make your ships taste the waters? or am I going to be the only crazy one tomorrow?  :-[ :-[ :-[

Gaston

The clear tee's secured to the deck are an idea for a huge future compartmentalized ship!
There is one other way of securing standing Klicky's to ships decks without drilling holes or permanent modifications. You can use Blue Tack adhesion putty on their feet. It will come off with out any trouble, but stick them securely to the desired surface.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 18:35:35
cool idea Bill. we don't have that kind of putty down here....I'll try to find an equivalent!
Thanx!!!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 15, 2010, 18:43:31
cool idea Bill. we don't have that kind of putty down here....I'll try to find an equivalent!
Thanx!!!

You may want to try looking at a school or office supply store. It is blue in color, and used to secure paper notes, or small items to walls or other surfaces. Let me know if you can't find any & maybe I can send you some. Don't tell any body I told you this, but in extreme cases you can always use chewing gum as a last resort, chewed of course! :-X :P
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 19:05:14
You may want to try looking at a school or office supply store. It is blue in color, and used to secure paper notes, or small items to walls or other surfaces. Let me know if you can't find any & maybe I can send you some. Don't tell any body I told you this, but in extreme cases you can always use chewing gum as a last resort, chewed of course! :-X :P

 :lol: ok thanx! Im sure we don't have that kind of stuff in Argentina, but I'll manage, don't worry. Thanx again!. there's always gum as a last resource  :lol:
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: racerx on October 15, 2010, 19:07:30
The new ship is far from any vision of what I'd want in a new ship design.  This one really is for kiddies.

You mean, like ages 4+?   :P

Look, I'd like a massive ship-of-the-line as much as anyone, but sometimes I think we lose sight of the fact that we're collecting children's toys, not the other way around.  We can go around and around about collector's clubs or limited editions and whatnot, but at the end of the day Playmobil is a children's toy manufacturer.

My kids absolutely love my 4290, so in that regard our complaints about color, proportion, or rigging are largely moot.  I mean, I'm sure someone out there would like the 7931 vending machine to have separate slots for Coke, Diet Coke, Mountain Dew, and Dr. Pepper, but it's a toy.

We'll never see a 20+ gun ship.  We simply won't.  It's easy for Lego to put a limited model like that out because all the bricks and pieces used are already tooled up; they simply include more in the box.  For Playmobil to bring a ship like that to market they'd have to tool up all new hulls, decks, and umpteen other parts, modular build or not.  I honestly can't see a solid business case for them to do so, much as the small amount of us would love it.

It's fun to think about and wish for, but it doesn't seem very realistic.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 19:14:17
yeap...but let's keep dreaming.
I'd like more lower decks....for beds, kitchen, storage and prisioners!!! A pirate cook would be soooooo cool!! mmm Ill do that cook myself. 0)
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Andy R on October 15, 2010, 21:36:55
If you want to use the clear foothold things, simply drill a hole through the deck.
BTW- It’s the quarterdeck, not the “poopdeck.”

Beds- Racks (or hammocks if you’re using those).
Kitchen- GALLEY.
Storage- Stowage/Holds.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 15, 2010, 23:20:10
BTW- It’s the quarterdeck, not the “poopdeck.”

 :lol: :lol: Sorry! someone said poop deck and I just repeated!
BTW, a question for the experts..... where would this kind of ships (3286) have boats attached?
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 15, 2010, 23:36:06
:lol: :lol: Sorry! someone said poop deck and I just repeated!

Ditto :shhhh:!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 15, 2010, 23:54:26
:lol: :lol: Sorry! someone said poop deck and I just repeated!
BTW, a question for the experts..... where would this kind of ships (3286) have boats attached?

boats, as in longboats (row boats?).  Usually such smaller vessels are either hoisted on a 2-arm crane of sorts that extend aft over the stern of the ship, sometimes on either the port or starboard edges of the hull, but mostly I see the ships stowed (sometimes upside down to prevent filling with rainwater) directly on the main deck.

(http://www.allwoodships.com/TallShips/Image/USS-Constitution-stern.jpg)
(http://www.modelshipsandboats.com/pictures/enlarged/hms-bounty100.jpg)

However, on the 3286 there really isn't any room to stow a boat on the main deck.  I think your best bet would be over the stern.  You'd have to fashion a crane arm assembly though.  I did it on my 3050 Interceptor.  Loks cool.

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/BlackPearl2006_album/Playmobil/DSCI1229.jpg)

Or to the side, as MacGayver has done:
(http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/fotos%202006.02.18/macgayverplaymobil%20100_1076.jpg)

Otherwise, you can always have the boat in-tow with a mere line to the ship.
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on October 16, 2010, 00:11:07
Or use inflatable rafts from the modern series :lol:! :)9
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: tonguello on October 16, 2010, 04:12:33
Thanx Blackpearl! That was sooooo cool! I don't have the parts but I think what you and macgyver did is awesome! I'll try to think something like that with what I have!
Thanx!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: WarriorOfToys on October 16, 2010, 14:16:54
Thanx Blackpearl! That was sooooo cool! I don't have the parts but I think what you and macgyver did is awesome! I'll try to think something like that with what I have!
Thanx!

Me too! :D
Sounds awesome, and looks awesome. ;D
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: hauden_lukas on October 17, 2010, 01:27:44
A larger ship wouldn't be much more expensive than e.g. a dollhouse. Of course, you would have to spend probably twice to three times as much as for the current ship - but you would also get ten times more fun.

I like the idea of an expandable ship with a second deck or a middle part as an add-on.

I would definitely sacrifice flotation - I normally don't expose my ships to water...

hauden_lukas
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: bonniebeth on October 17, 2010, 16:15:35
Yes, we have huge castles, huge schools and hospitals, huge dollhouses. Why not huge pirate ships? Especially if they were extendable. I think we can feel free to dream!
Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: Hadoque on October 21, 2010, 01:25:29
The compartmenting would indeed be a very good idea if Playmobil would decide to design a new large ship and offer collectors the possibility to make a bigger / huge one.

I'd already be satisfied if Geobra would make a kind of production version of the "Unicorn"; it needs some worthy opponents without all the necessary labour/skill/time of making these ourselves.
Such an extended version of the 3286/3940 - which gives room for a 3rd mast and a few more canons - seems the most "realistic dream" to me.

Title: Re: What Would You Like to See in a New Ship?
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on October 21, 2010, 02:46:32
The compartmenting would indeed be a very good idea if Playmobil would decide to design a new large ship and offer collectors the possibility to make a bigger / huge one.

I'd already be satisfied if Geobra would make a kind of production version of the "Unicorn"; it needs some worthy opponents without all the necessary labour/skill/time of making these ourselves.
Such an extended version of the 3286/3940 - which gives room for a 3rd mast and a few more canons - seems the most "realistic dream" to me.



I do believe this simplified "new ship" idea would totally be doable for Playmobil.  Don't know why they haven't already.  Probably cost close to US$200, much like the big castle.  I still can't believe the abominable 4290 costs US$100.  Even the superior 3286/3940 originally cost far less at US$80 or so.