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General => Report & Review => Playmo Research Dept. => Topic started by: GrahamB on April 12, 2019, 20:18:41

Title: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on April 12, 2019, 20:18:41
I bought this sprue of tools recently.
(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/IMG_0274_zpstwrjhsqd.jpg)
It came with six tools still attached, but I added in the axe (which fits perfectly) and the shovel (which doesn't fit  :()

In this view you can see why the shovel doesn't really fit.

(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/IMG_0273_zpsqipr0xto.jpg)

The reason I thought it must be a shovel that is missing is because eight grey tools are often found together in early PM sets and that eight includes a shovel.

The sprue is not flat at the point where I have put the shovel, but has a piece much higher than the plane which most of the other tools lie in, as well as a large space to the right of where I put the shovel. (I dont think the sprue is significantly distorted and none of the shovels I have seem to have sprue attachment points in the right places.

So, any other sugestions as to what the missing tool might be? (It's not the handles and frame of a wheelbarrow, I tried that)?
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: tahra on April 12, 2019, 20:26:44
uhm.. probably not the scythe either, right?

Or that funnel/horn thing?
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: Tiermann on April 12, 2019, 20:31:22
Yeah I think the scythe, with the blade down inside the sprue maybe?
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on April 13, 2019, 11:36:16
The scythe is a good suggestion, but it doesn't fit my sprue and I'm pretty sure it never came in that shade of grey. I'm wondering about something like part of a vehicle, a storage box for a fire engine perhaps? The tools would fit with that.
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: playmofire on April 13, 2019, 15:40:23
No really fire engine tools, Graham, more construction or farming and I can't recall a fire engine with a grey toolbox on a sprue.
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on April 13, 2019, 17:45:37
Thanks Playmofire. I think it is from a construction set because....

I found it, in set 3472, here (https://klickywelt.de/download/file.php?id=304260&mode=view) (Klickywelt, so membership required to view :(). I'm pretty sure that's the same sprue and if so, the missing piece is a shovel! But that doesn't explain the strange kinks in the sprue!
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: tahra on April 13, 2019, 18:21:08
Mystery solved! :)
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: playmofire on April 13, 2019, 18:32:37
Thanks Playmofire. I think it is from a construction set because....

I found it, in set 3472, here (https://klickywelt.de/download/file.php?id=304260&mode=view) (Klickywelt, so membership required to view :(). I'm pretty sure that's the same sprue and if so, the missing piece is a shovel! But that doesn't explain the strange kinks in the sprue!

Turn the shovel face down so it is as in the packet.
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on April 21, 2019, 15:21:01
Solved!

When I looked for the sprue in Building Instructions at playmobil.de, I found it in 3277 from 2001:
(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/3277%20from%202001_zpsn23wuexn.jpg)

I reassembled my sprue with a shovel in the correct place and the correct way up (thanks playmofire!) (THAT was fiddly- you can see the glue in places!).
(http://[img]https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/IMG_0327_zps1ysqsrv1.jpg)
(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/IMG_0327_zps1ysqsrv1.jpg)
(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/IMG_0329_zpsfd7btly0.jpg)

The configuration of the sprue seems to be to ensure the bristles of the push-broom point the same way as the tynes on the rake (its a bit distorted in the picture above), presumably so the moulded piece comes out of the mould easily.

Another version of this sprue exists, e.g. in 7325 from 1999 below (using the same part number, of course!), but I think my sprue is the earlier of the two versions as it was shown in that 1982-87 version of 3472. There may have been an even earlier version as this set of tools was included in the very first sets in 1974.
(https://oi1287.photobucket.com/albums/a621/GrahamB2013/7325%20from%201999_zpsx40toouj.jpg)

Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: sbblabotw on April 22, 2019, 16:45:49
Well done Graham (again!). I've added the sprue-pictures to my parts-page, and fixed the description which was truncated.

30 60 0160 - Tools: push-broom, pick-axe, spade / shovel, mattock, rake, axe / hatchet, hammer, wrench (https://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-60-0160)
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on April 22, 2019, 19:52:15
Great! And I agree that this part first appeared in 1974.
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: VicKlicktor on May 17, 2019, 23:23:51

I just looked at this thread.
I got mine in sets 4053 v1 and 4053 v2. I had left the clickies and accessories bags unopened. Yes, the shovel was already loose

(https://i.imgur.com/486bmbG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gq60qju.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on May 18, 2019, 08:44:58
Wow! What priceless pictures, VicKlicktor! Pictures of intact sprues are very useful when trying to confirm set contents.

And your two pictures also helped me confirm the differences between versions of set 4053 which I attempted to describe here (http://www.playmofanatic.org/visual-guide-to-significant-version-differences/) (scroll down to near the bottom of the page).

I used the names V2 and V3, based on Collector, because I guessed the contents of what the book calls V1 and V2 were the same. Looking at your pictures, I can see I made (at least) three mistakes in my description of the version differences; the later has two perbutane rings (maybe they were on the wheels in the earlier version), both versions have four ladder connectors, the earlier version has that black piece (looks like a handrail).

Do you have any pictures of the later train I could add to my website VicKlicktor? Tiermann and Playmofire kindly let me have pictures of the earlier train. The train has several differences between the earlier and later versions.

Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: sbblabotw on May 18, 2019, 14:31:10
Following! I think my inventories for 4053 and and 4053a are a bit scrambled. This will help sort them out, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: VicKlicktor on May 19, 2019, 01:03:54


I used the names V2 and V3, based on Collector, because I guessed the contents of what the book calls V1 and V2 were the same. Looking at your pictures, I can see I made (at least) three mistakes in my description of the version differences; the later has two perbutane rings (maybe they were on the wheels in the earlier version), both versions have four ladder connectors, the earlier version has that black piece (looks like a handrail).

Do you have any pictures of the later train I could add to my website VicKlicktor?

You are right, I meant to say older and newer version, not the Collector versions for boxes.
As for that black piece, it kept me awake for a while, I concluded it is useless. One of those lovely German ladies who packed parts in the 80s must have added it by mistake.

Following! I think my inventories for 4053 and and 4053a are a bit scrambled. This will help sort them out, I'm sure.

We all are here to share so you both can use the pics you want

I just started a thread with photos of boxes:

https://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=16943.0

And some more for fun:

4053 Older

(https://i.imgur.com/NwvUelu.jpg)

4053 Newer

(https://i.imgur.com/FQtaPEk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r4XX7yP.jpg)

Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: GrahamB on May 19, 2019, 08:58:00
Thank you VicKlicktor! Those are great images, here and in the KK Museum topic! I am sure some of those pictures will soon appear on PlaymoDB and Playmofanatic.org!

You deserve a medal for sharing this stuff, but this is the nearest I could find: :*)
Title: Re: Help with a sprue
Post by: sbblabotw on May 20, 2019, 00:41:19
Fantastic! I'm never unemployed and the DB just gets better and better  :wave: