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Title: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 30, 2012, 13:11:20
Hey I don't know if there is a review about this set so, sorry if there already is one.

Just to set my mind on the new western coming out this year I got this  :love: I thought it was a new set but there something I do not understand.

This set appears as NEW in the german Playmobil website..... but the box says 2010 made in Czech Republic.
   ??? ??? ??? ??? 

How come?  :hmm:

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3962.jpg)

Clickies front and back.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3963.jpg)

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3964.jpg)

Horsie  :love:

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3966.jpg)

Accesories

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3967.jpg)

Weapons

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3968.jpg)

These come as a set. Weird there is drum's sticks.... but no drums

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3969.jpg)

The baseplate and tent.  :love:
The tent would be hard to use on some other surface for the hook-shaped ends that hold them together with the base.  :(

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3970.jpg)

The whole set
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3973.jpg)

And I got also this older one  :love: :love:
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3975.jpg)
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tahra on March 30, 2012, 13:40:15
:love:

Will have to get those indians! Shame about the large (and mostly useless) base...

Would like to get extras of the klickys to pop....
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Wolf Knight on March 30, 2012, 14:55:05
wowowowowow!!! This looks soooo great  :love: :love: :love: :love:
I think this set was produced in the second half of 2010, thus the production date on the box.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rasputin on March 30, 2012, 15:15:19
That looks like a nice set. We have a big western collection and plenty of Indians but will still get lots of these new ones coming out. The Indians look nice with their prints and I really like the painted horse.

I think the drumsticks come with this set as it was part of the mold that had the pipe & ax. cheeper to re-use molds than create a new one and save .00002 cents of plastic

I too would have preferred the stand alone teepee base as our dioramas do not have room for such a large base plate that was included. Oh well it is a super set after all and that is normal for those sets

thanks for the pictures tonguello
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on March 30, 2012, 15:46:29
Yeah, I'm not at all wild about the huge baseplate attached to the teepee. At least the totem pole can be removed and a plant or rock put in its place, since teepees and totem poles don't belong together. 8} The skin also doesn't look as well attached to the poles as the old teepees.

But, I love the klickies. :love: The prints look really good. I will definitely want at least one of these. Thanks for the review, Gaston!
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: conniefrere on March 30, 2012, 17:35:20
Thanks for reviewing, really those idians look magnificient! Guess i have to have these! Gaston is it possible you can make a shot of on of the indians, the chief for example, with some gear on the horse?

 :wave:
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 30, 2012, 17:58:09
Thanks for reviewing, really those idians look magnificient! Guess i have to have these! Gaston is it possible you can make a shot of on of the indians, the chief for example, with some gear on the horse?

 :wave:

You're welcome guys.

I could take some pics tomorrow. Today I'll be home very late.
The clickies with that thingie around thier waist don't sit on the horse very well unless you move that thing a little higher  :P
I tought maybe that was what you wanted to see  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: PlaymoMan on March 30, 2012, 19:53:49
Thanks for reviewing, looks like a great set! :)
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on March 30, 2012, 21:50:40
Wow, that set is cool! :) The horse is especially nice.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: ma1234 on March 30, 2012, 22:52:33
Can't say I mind the base too much, looks like a really neat set. Great review.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: cheng on March 31, 2012, 00:58:55
keep the frame of the poles....if it fit klicky hands, the frame would be very useful...try fitting a klicky hand and let us know if you havent thrown it!
It could have been from a new mould because the previous poles dont have pegs to hold the edges of the tepee skin.
thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on March 31, 2012, 01:24:09
keep the frame of the poles....if it fit klicky hands, the frame would be very useful...try fitting a klicky hand and let us know if you havent thrown it!



Why on earth would he throw them away? :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: Do you throw away playmobil!? :omg:
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Tiermann on March 31, 2012, 01:24:19
Looks really good. I like the figures and it's nice to see the horse, thanks for posting the pics
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on March 31, 2012, 01:30:45
It's unfortunate that there are no female Natives in this set though. :(
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 01:32:24
keep the frame of the poles....if it fit klicky hands, the frame would be very useful...try fitting a klicky hand and let us know if you havent thrown it!
It could have been from a new mould because the previous poles dont have pegs to hold the edges of the tepee skin.
thanks for sharing!


This is my first teepee so I wouldn't know the difference. All I know is that previous ones didn't need a baseplate.

I wouldn't throw anything away  :lol: but I'll check if clickie can grab the poles. I'll take pics in the morning along the the other pics connie asked me.  :)

Im glad you like it guys!!

So only explanaition of the new sign at website vs. the box's date is that this is a re-runned superset?  ???
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 01:34:38
well... it it wasn't for the chest, the clicky with long hair does look like a woman. :-[

But I agree with you. I have said this in some thread at Brainstorming for Playmobil. We need more indian women. They are 1-8 loosing to the guys!  8}
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on March 31, 2012, 01:36:38
well... it it wasn't for the chest, the clicky with long hair does look like a woman. :-[
:lol: I don't think he does. And that is cool hair on that figure; it'd be nice for some Medieval sets...
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on March 31, 2012, 01:47:05
We definitely need more women in these sets. I guess they think only boys play cowboys and indians. ::) And maybe that becomes somewhat true if you don't include much to appeal to girly girls. I loved my indian village when I was a little girl, but my focus was on the female klickys, the little girl, the papoose, the cooking pot and fire, the loom.... I had definite girly interests, and the sets were quite appealing to me.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Elric on March 31, 2012, 02:15:12
Thanks for sharing. The indians look great. Nice cowboy set too!
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: cheng on March 31, 2012, 04:27:07
Why on earth would he throw them away? :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: Do you throw away playmobil!? :omg:

sorry if I wasnt too clear bb :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
and tonguello (I figure if you also interpret what I said in the same way, it can only mean that I have erred ;D)

....you see....I'm talking about the outer frame that holds the poles together before you break them off (bb, youre not gonna say "why on earth would tonguello break his PM?")
its either we have a semantic problem here of I'm senile :lol:

but if the poles come without their FRAMES, of course you cant try out klicky hands on them (the poles themselves are too thick for klicky hands) and the frames are necessary form injection moulding ;)

tonguello...is it convenient for you to take a photo of the poles with their frame?
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: BlackPearl2006 on March 31, 2012, 09:50:24
technically in real life you would not see a TeePee next to a Totem Pole, as TeePees were used by Great Plains Indians, and Totem Poles were only part of NorthWest Coastal Indians (who lived in longhouses, not Teepees).  Plains Indians tended to be nomadic, ergo the easily portable TeePee dwelling which could be taken down and set up wherever they go.  NorthWest Indians were more stationary, ergo their permanent-structure longhouse dwellings, and their permanently-fixed totem poles carved from local cedar.  Logistically it also makes no sense to have a portable teepee next to a fixed totem pole (unless we're to believe the totem pole was hauled around each time they moved!)

In the realm of "cowboys and indians" the totem pole, while a nice accessory, is out of place on this set.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: conniefrere on March 31, 2012, 10:29:28
The clickies with that thingie around thier waist don't sit on the horse very well unless you move that thing a little higher  :P
I tought maybe that was what you wanted to see  :P :P :P

This was indeed what i wanted to see and besides I alway love to watch a playmo indian on his horse!
Thanks in advance  :wave:
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 11:41:41
sorry if I wasnt too clear bb :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
and tonguello (I figure if you also interpret what I said in the same way, it can only mean that I have erred ;D)

....you see....I'm talking about the outer frame that holds the poles together before you break them off (bb, youre not gonna say "why on earth would tonguello break his PM?")
its either we have a semantic problem here of I'm senile :lol:

but if the poles come without their FRAMES, of course you cant try out klicky hands on them (the poles themselves are too thick for klicky hands) and the frames are necessary form injection moulding ;)

tonguello...is it convenient for you to take a photo of the poles with their frame?

 :lol: I understand cheng you're not senile!  :lol:

There is just poles and baseplate.... NO FRAME, so I don't have to break anything  ;). I'll take a pic soon so you can see.  ;D
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on March 31, 2012, 13:38:37
 :lol: :lol: :lol: Ok, cheng, I see. You are talking about a sprue then. (great word I learned here, makes you sound smart :P) The actual teepee poles form a frame for the tent skin to go over, so when you said frame it seemed you referred to the poles themselves. Sorry! :P
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on March 31, 2012, 13:59:49
technically in real life you would not see a TeePee next to a Totem Pole, as TeePees were used by Great Plains Indians, and Totem Poles were only part of NorthWest Coastal Indians (who lived in longhouses, not Teepees).  Plains Indians tended to be nomadic, ergo the easily portable TeePee dwelling which could be taken down and set up wherever they go.  NorthWest Indians were more stationary, ergo their permanent-structure longhouse dwellings, and their permanently-fixed totem poles carved from local cedar.  Logistically it also makes no sense to have a portable teepee next to a fixed totem pole (unless we're to believe the totem pole was hauled around each time they moved!)

In the realm of "cowboys and indians" the totem pole, while a nice accessory, is out of place on this set.
I agree. It is strange to have the cultures mixed, but with some mixing and customising, maybe some different Native cultures could be made out of the existing parts!
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 14:48:54
:lol: :lol: :lol: Ok, cheng, I see. You are talking about a sprue then. (great word I learned here, makes you sound smart :P) The actual teepee poles form a frame for the tent skin to go over, so when you said frame it seemed you referred to the poles themselves. Sorry! :P

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: then Im the senile one! Just now bb said sprue I got what you meant  :lol:

Anyway... no sprue. The poles came lose. :P
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rhalius on March 31, 2012, 17:30:56
It looks like a nice set, sadly there arent much accesoires aside from weaponry though. Some pots, hides and maybe a drum would have been nice.

Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 18:10:30
Here are the promised pics of the clicky on the horse

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3981.jpg) (http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3983.jpg)

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3982.jpg)


And here the clickies of the other set I got. I love that cowboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :love:

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3984.jpg)

Details of the teepee next...
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on March 31, 2012, 18:20:54
Baseplate

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3985.jpg)

Detail of hook and hole

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3986.jpg)

Poles as they come. There are 2 with 4 pegs in the front and 5 with 1 peg near the base.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3987.jpg)

Pole hooked to base

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3988.jpg)(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3989.jpg)

The tent has holes for the pegs. They fit perfectly though it is not easy to put together the first time.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3990.jpg)

Detail of the ring-ish thing that holds the front together.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3992.jpg)(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3993.jpg)

And cover it with a shield  ;D

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3994.jpg)(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3995.jpg)


Again...the whole thing together.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb432/tonguello/western%20review/DSCF3970.jpg)

And that's all folks!  :wave:
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on March 31, 2012, 18:24:52
Nice! Thanks for the additional pictures.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: conniefrere on March 31, 2012, 18:52:17
I think I'm in love with those indians!
Concerning the indian on the horse, seems like although it does not fit perfect it looks nicely.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rasputin on March 31, 2012, 20:52:30
Thanks for all the nice picture , I will be ordering extra poles for our older teepees
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Luis on April 01, 2012, 04:04:32
i had never seen this set of native Americans...
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Justindo on April 01, 2012, 08:12:23
This set looks great!  The klickies and horse look quite nice and I can always use more teepees.  (The totem pole will join the other one I already have but never use.)  :indian:
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rasputin on April 01, 2012, 16:35:30
is this the older totem pole but now with prints ? Stamp it up geobra
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on April 01, 2012, 19:19:23
is this the older totem pole but now with prints ? Stamp it up geobra

no idea. I don't have another totem, sorry  :-\
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Justindo on April 01, 2012, 22:16:17
is this the older totem pole but now with prints ? Stamp it up geobra

This is the one I have, so it's different:

http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-66-8350
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: playmofire on April 02, 2012, 00:26:57
Thanks for a very interesting review, Gaston, of an attractive set.

Ras is quite right about the drumsticks - an earlier mould has been reused.

I take the point about historical accuracy (which Playmobil is usually very good on), but will many (any?) of the people who buy the set be bothered or even know that teepees and totem poles don't go together, I wonder?

Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on April 02, 2012, 00:37:16
We do! And every kid in the U.S. at least and other American countries too, I'm sure, spends a lot of time learning about the indians in their social studies classes in elementary school. So I would think kids might notice the inaccuracy too. Even hollywood doesn't get that wrong!
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: tonguello on April 02, 2012, 01:46:56
I think we got again to the very discussed point of the "stereotype".
Totems and teepees and feathers at the back of the head are indian stereotypes . So if you have to resume an indian theme you have to include them all.
There are good and bad stereotypes.

Im not saying this is a good or bad one (depending how you look at it maybe), just stereotype and that in terms of design it is how you resum and develope certain project showing it clearly with typical objects that represents the matter in question.

Lets say you have to draw a rainbow... you make and arc of seven colors right. Would you remember to include the fine rain and the sun?? nope!  :love:

On the other hand I doubt someone outside the United States would know that this 2 should not be together. I didn't know until last year when someone brought this up.  ;D

Many times we praised Playmobil for it simplicity and sinthesis. Well... that is stereotypes too.

Anyway... Im going off-topic in my own topic  :lol:...
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rasputin on April 02, 2012, 04:08:18
Hardly off-topic, your not talking about your lost car keys  :P IK like these history lessons a lot better than boring cookie cutter school ones  ;)
 
I think as a general rule we expect playmobil to produce sets of the highest historical accuracy. In this case we are talking about a theme that has not been around for a while and it may be harder for them to market. Perhaps they need to go for all the common, as you called them "stereotypes" to get this theme moving. I really do not care as we all can just simply change up the parts for our particular tastes.

I would like to at least see a building, in stecks of course, that resembed a longhouse. At least then there would be somewhere for all the totem poles to go.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on April 02, 2012, 04:23:18
Yeah, that would help. Because I'm going to have some left over totem poles! I've been looking at this review, and I can think of some ways to use multiples of this set and have it not look boring and repetitve. I'm going to want several of these.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: playmofire on April 02, 2012, 08:15:37
We do! And every kid in the U.S. at least and other American countries too, I'm sure, spends a lot of time learning about the indians in their social studies classes in elementary school. So I would think kids might notice the inaccuracy too. Even hollywood doesn't get that wrong!

I knew the western fans would but I didn't realise the educational aspect; I was thinking more of the wordlwide aspect of Playmobil's sales.  Apologies.   :-[
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on April 02, 2012, 15:36:31
Well, and it's true that a lot more sets are sold in Europe than the US, and it probably wouldn't hurt sales in Europe.
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Pynedor on April 03, 2012, 02:06:46
Well, and it's true that a lot more sets are sold in Europe than the US, and it probably wouldn't hurt sales in Europe.
To that point, I wish there were was an earlier European theme. I guess that the cavemen were an attempt at that...
Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: Rhalius on April 04, 2012, 08:10:30
History lessons in general are usually handled poorly in school. There is of course an awfull lot of it to learn, and they often seem to take a boring approach to it while it could be so much fun.

Most people seem to think all crusaders where knights templar, scots wore kilts and woad paint in the middle ages, the dutch never had a strong land army, Italy was always a united country, the US won the revolutionairy war without any help, all of Cortez his men had firearms, Egypt only had egyptian pharaos, apple pie was first made by americans and yes, all indians where the same.

Such a shame that the majority of people does not even seem to care about history, since its in the past. Personly I find it intrigueing since it shaped the world we live in today.

Title: Re: Indians 4012
Post by: bonniebeth on April 04, 2012, 12:21:49
To that point, I wish there were was an earlier European theme. I guess that the cavemen were an attempt at that...

 :lol: