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Title: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 17:15:44



WORST SET EVER?


This is sort of a review ...

Actually, it's probably much more of a review than it really deserves.

Because, in my opinion, this is one of the worst things that's ever been produced by Playmobil ... :(

So, the intelligent question would be ... "If it's so horrible, why did I buy it?"

Because, (again in my opinion) this set has one piece that is very nice in its design and versatility.

This piece has been utilized in the attached photos. And, for those of you who like a bit of a challenge, what's the piece and which set did it come from?


(click on images for larger photos)

(http://www.gardenwargamer.com/caribimages/caribbean1s.jpg) (http://www.gardenwargamer.com/caribimages/caribbean1l.jpg) (http://www.gardenwargamer.com/caribimages/caribbean2s.jpg) (http://www.gardenwargamer.com/caribimages/caribbean2l.jpg)




Clue: So, far there have been three similar but different sets issued containing this piece. (A European version, an American version and a Direct Service "Add-Ons" version.)

After everyone has had some fun identifying the "piece," we'll continue with the review. And, then we can argue and/or agree aboiut the merits and demerits of this Playmobil product.



Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sylvia on July 13, 2008, 17:31:44

Hmmm... is it the "magic tree" which first came in set 3897 (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3897.htm)?

It seems a little bit out of place combined with those other pieces, and I almost didn't notice it because of all the different landscape and foliage pieces around it.

What's so bad about this set, then?

I can see a lot of it has been recycled, like the safari station building and the jungle theme figures for example, but that doesn't seem a good enough reason to hate it. :P
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 13, 2008, 17:50:35
Hi Richard!

Once you said that you disliked the banana tree ... Therefore, you bought it because of the gorilla (3039 (http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3039.jpg)) ::) !

Do I get the candy? ;D

G.
:blackhair:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Indianna on July 13, 2008, 18:00:09
Is it the four way connector, which I believe is the only four way connector for Steck based pieces?

Click on this blue writing to see it at Heather's Playmodb  (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-08-8240)

The same piece appeared under a different part number in the three sets 3433 Safari Station (European), 4305 Freight Terminal (American), and 7400 Safari Add-on set (Direct service add-on)  all of which can be seen together in this page at Playmodb. (http://playmodb.org/cgi-bin/showpart.pl?partnum=30-03-9740)
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: LHAAP on July 13, 2008, 18:04:03
Hmmm... is it the "magic tree" which first came in set 3897 (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3897.htm)?

That's a very good guess, Sylvia.
The tree is not my favourite, but I like the other parts - especially the "green man" :lol:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Knight Train on July 13, 2008, 18:26:10
What set number is it?  At first I thought it was a 5759, but that doesn't seem to be it.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 19:05:29


Clue number 2: The largest single piece in the photo is from what I believe may be the Worst Set ever made by Playmobil.


Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Timotheos on July 13, 2008, 19:10:09
Hi Richard are you referring to those (EDIT: landscape add-on sets)?

Darn, I can't locate the sets (they must have been taken off PM USA), but they are the add-on "small landscape", "medium landscape", and "large landscape" for use with the train?

Whatever it is, thanks for the challenging post.

-Tim
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: LHAAP on July 13, 2008, 19:21:02
Darn, I can't locate the sets (they must have been taken off PM USA), but they are the add-on "small landscape", "medium landscape", and "large landscape" for use with the train?

Like this one?
(http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aabe_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-DE-Site/Sites-Catalog/de_DE/v1215777332767/imagesOnline/products/7341.jpg)
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sir Gareth on July 13, 2008, 19:27:34
I think you could be talking about 3217 tree house?

The add on set is 7937 smaller tree house and the American set number is 5746.

I can see you have used the base with the rock that flips and the other rock for hiding things under.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sylvia on July 13, 2008, 19:32:34

Clue number 2: The largest single piece in the photo is from what I believe may be the Worst Set ever made by Playmobil.


Oh! I completely misunderstood.
I thought the pieces in your photos all came from one set and this was what you were going to review.
It's very unlikely now that I think about it, but we've had some slightly strange assortments before. :lol:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 20:09:40



Because, (again in my opinion) this set has one piece that is very nice in its design and versatility.

This piece has been utilized in the attached photos. And, for those of you who like a bit of a challenge, what's the piece and which set did it come from?

Clue: So, far there have been three similar but different sets issued containing this piece. (A European version, an American version and a Direct Service "Add-Ons" version.)




Clue number 2: The largest single piece in the photo is from what I believe may be the Worst Set ever made by Playmobil.




I think you could be talking about 3217 tree house?

The add on set is 7937 smaller tree house and the American set number is 5746.

I can see you have used the base with the rock that flips and the other rock for hiding things under.



You are a very, very good detective Garry ...  :wow: :wow: :wow:

You certainly have no trouble "seeing the forest for the trees." ...  ;D


SO ...



What makes this the worst set that Playmobil may have ever made?


In my humble opinion:

1. For starters, the three Klickys are wearing some really ugly garments!
I would hate to see what the person who designed them wears to work every day.
The Klickys' clothing is almost too painful to describe. The three little Klickys must be very embarrassed! ...  :-[

2. The Tree House itself is an abomination. It's a ridiculous hybrid of the worst kind.
Playmobil had an opportunity to finally give us a transition between Steck and X.
And, instead they created an entirely new building system.  What were they thinking?

3. This new building system sort of connects to X, but definitely NOT to Steck.
This new system is not as rugged nor as esthetically pleasing as Steck.
However, Playmobil has already produced two additional NEW sets with this new building system.
It uses a lot less plastic material than Steck or X, so it's probably more economical to produce.

4. The saving grace for this set is the really nice landscape piece that Garry has identified.

Review will follow ...


Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 20:19:56


Before we get started on the review ...

A BIG thank you to everyone who participated in this "introduction" ... 
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sylvia

Gus

Anne

Lars

KT

Timmy

Lars

Garry


Thanks again and all the best,
Richard


Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sir Gareth on July 13, 2008, 20:37:22
I probably had a slight advantage over the others, I was sorting through my spare landscapes today and I have 2 of these bases in the box so it was easy to spot.

I actually thought the part you liked the most Richard was going to be the zip wire in the set.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 20:42:32


Unfortunately, Garry, there's no "zip wire" in the American version.  ...  :'(



Some Photos ...


(http://www.gardenwargamer.com/images/5746 treehouse.jpg)

(http://www.gardenwargamer.com/images/5746r treehouse.jpg)


You'll notice that European set is somewhat different.
(And, the Add-On set is typical of Direct Service sets.)


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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: mike1003 on July 13, 2008, 21:01:32
well, not lookin so bad.. seen worst things then this :p i could use lots of those trees and bushes hehehe
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 21:04:37


This is the "new" construction system that was used in the Tree House.

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There's at least one new set for 2008 that's also using this construction system.

Is there more than just one?
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 21:12:32


Here's a size comparison between a Steck corner and the new construction system corner.

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 21:23:59



The little house is OK. It's just too bad that Playmobil has introduced yet another construction system.

If you look to where I'm pointing, you can see the yellow System X connectors that hold the roof.

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 21:31:59


With the roof on and two walls up ,,, that's it!

No door and no back wall (or side wall) ... :(

And, annoying little slits in the corners ... :(

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: cachalote on July 13, 2008, 21:33:38
if i understand you right richard you love the landscape and hate the tree-house.  ???
... or maybe you just hate the fact that a new construction system is proposed by playmobil - making it difficult to turn its pieces into parts of a modular-construction system?  :)
i think you are maybe being a little unfair with the poor tree-house, naming it as the "worst ever" set.  :hmm:
do you really think the 3059 etnische figuren from 1996 (image taken from collectobil) can be considered better?
in my oppinion, even worse than this set's lousy color-scheme for the clothing is its name and what it might reveal of playmobil's "regional" short-sightedness.
 :(
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 21:43:15

Sure it's supposed to be a tree house ... but, it's supposed to be for adults to live in!

There's no comparison between this two-walled mini-structure and the beautiful Steck System Safari House (5759) that was released not that long ago.

Look at the difference!
This is one of the main reasons why this Tree House set may qualify for "The Worst of Playmobil"

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: cachalote on July 13, 2008, 21:57:52
well ricchard, i must confess i like both of them, both having that robinson-crusoe-esque image that i love.  :-[
maybe if you take a closer look at the tree house you can see that it is actually a shelter, protecting human clickies from that 2 very dangerous new-species-for-science tropical jungle wolves that lie underneath it.
  ;)
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 22:07:11


Hello, Cachalote ...



if i understand you right richard you love the landscape and hate the tree-house.  ???
... or maybe you just hate the fact that a new construction system is proposed by playmobil - making it difficult to turn its pieces into parts of a modular-construction system? :)



Yes and yes! I love the landscape and I am very disappointed in Playmobil for not taking advantage of an excellent opportunity to finally give us a transition between Steck and X.

Instead, they created an entirely new building system. I am actually more than disappointed with Playmobil, I'm furious with them. I ask again, "What were they thinking?"



i think you are maybe being a little unfair with the poor tree-house, naming it as the "worst ever" set.  :hmm:



Unfair? This tree house set is a nightmare from designer's hell! It could have been a beautiful addition to anyone's collection as well as to a child's playroom floor.

The weak little tabs will soon break off making some child cry and hate Playmobil. Steck doesn't break. Steck buildings and castles will be passed on to children and grand children. This tree house building will be passed on to the dustbin and trash heap. These terrible designers from Zirndorf have created plastic garbage for a Playmobil land-fill!



do you really think the 3059 etnische figuren from 1996 (image taken from collectobil) can be considered better?
in my oppinion, even worse than this set's lousy color-scheme for the clothing is its name and what it might reveal of playmobil's "regional" short-sightedness.  :(



It will be interesting to see what other members nominate for "Playmobil's Worst."

But, as I said in the beginning, this is just my opinion, Cachalote.

All the best,
Richard


Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2008, 22:22:18


Well, this "review" has turned into a bit of a rant ...  :-[

There are lots of little pieces with both versions of this set. There are some canned goods, a very nice folding yellow chair, some great trees and a splendid landscape piece.

The set that I have is 5746 and I do feel somewhat cheated that it didn't contain the euro version's "zip wire" ...

Well ... I think that it's about time for me to jump into my little bi-plane and fly off into the sunset.


(http://www.gardenwargamer.com/caribimages/richardsplane.jpg)







Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 14, 2008, 01:36:12
You see, Richard,

I don't think the set to be so bad as that, I mean ... there's a lot of very nice & useful bits, animals, tree & nature parts ...

I agree in what concerns the klickys' dressing style though.

I don't know if this is the worst. But, in a way, I'm new in Playmobil.

(I also still can't give an opinion on Steck or X systems ... [Or recognize this one as a third system ... It "looks" like X, to me. But ...])

[Oops! ;D I posted an answer and after that, i realized that there was a "page 2" in the thread :lol:

So, the pictures are very clarifying in what concerns systems, even to me.]

G.
:blackhair:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 14, 2008, 02:03:49


Thanks for your comments, Gus ..


Yeah ... This topic went to two pages very quickly!

I apologize for not answering you regarding the banana tree.

Playmobil has not really made a banana tree. Regardless of what Playmobil thinks or says, I have decided that the plant with the gorilla is a type of bromeliad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bromeliad05.jpg). ...  :klickywink:

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 14, 2008, 02:12:47

Thanks for your comments, Gus ..


Yeah ... This topic went to two pages very quickly!

I apologize for not answering you regarding the banana tree.

Playmobil has not really made a banana tree. Regardless of what Playmobil thinks or says, I have decided that the plant with the gorilla is a type of bromeliad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bromeliad05.jpg). ...  :klickywink:

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(& The gorilla's very useful! :lol: ; cool, master Rich! I've been stumbling here in posts ... You just answered now, and I had to edit this one :lol: It's nice to be here at the same time as you ... :) )


Coming back to the topic :D,

It isn't a "worst set", but I would elect as the worst ... uhm ... "building" (?) the giant mushroom :0 of the bunnies 4455! It's VERY UGLY :( , there's absolutely no use for that >:( but letting it aside for Smurfs/Strumpfs, which I have none anymore (nor intend to) ... Even so, it would be a very bad version of the original ones ... Maybe a kind of a trap, thought by Gargamel >:( ! ... Or maybe some sort of mushroom depo in a forgotten corner of their village :hmm: -- Oh, imagination! ;D

However, probably as a child (until my ... say ... 12 to 13 years old), I'd possibly (I believe I'd actually) like even that! :P

 :lol:

& I happen to love the new bunnies treehouse ... It's a kind of a perfect set to me! I intend to get one, as soon as priorities allow! :yup:

blackhair G.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 14, 2008, 02:32:59


I also like the bunny house. It looks like a "hobbit hole." I think that it would be perfect for fantasy stories.

It could be a home for fairies, dwarfs, hobbits or elfs.

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 14, 2008, 02:33:56


Here's another picture ...

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 14, 2008, 02:51:24

I also like the bunny house. It looks like a "hobbit hole." I think that it would be perfect for fantasy stories.

It could be a home for fairies, dwarfs, hobbits or elfs.

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With few exceptions, Playmobil collectors have a life culture a bit like hobbits, in what concerns photography: they don't take adventures ... I'd LOVE to see some adventures by some of the girls in the forum, that must probably have a fair few magic castles & fairy-tale stuff (as much as some boys have fire brigades & police ::) )

G.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Martin Milner on July 14, 2008, 12:03:38
Richard,

I see exactly your objections to this building - if we can dignify it with the name, having only two walls. A connection system that doesn't match anything, leaves empty slits visible at the corners, looks flimsier that either Steck or System-x, yet uses the horrid yellow connectors to hold the roof on.

The 5759 safari house, by comparison, would make a very nice beach hut or cabin in the woods - a useful multi-purpose building. So nice that as soon as I saw your picture I immediately bought one off eBay!

Back to the awful set, the klickies do have ugly clothing, and surely if you're planning to use a rifle, you need something camouflaged and warm, like a puffa jacket? Which klicky is planning to do the hunting? Then there’s the medical kit; is this to treat  the animals they failed to kill with the rifle?

From the presence of a chainsaw I infer that these people are park rangers or forestry workers of some sort, and in a remote location. I'd want more than one bunk and two walls to my cabin if I were one of them.

There was an older Playmobil system used for some Western buildings, which had hinged walls, so you could close them when not playing inside, and open them to access the interior. Is that too much for the modern designers?

I really hate the trapdoor. Playmo seem to put one of these in almost every building – why on earth do they want one in this Treehouse? Aren’t there enough ways to inadvertently exit the building already?
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 14, 2008, 14:55:35



Martin ...

Thank you for an excellent summation (I couldn't have said it better myself.) ...  :klickywink:

Let's hope Zirndorf is reading!

All the best my friend,
Richard


Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Indianna on July 14, 2008, 16:59:26
Oh! I completely misunderstood.
I thought the pieces in your photos all came from one set and this was what you were going to review.
It's very unlikely now that I think about it, but we've had some slightly strange assortments before. :lol:

I, too, misunderstood completely!  I must agree, Richard, that the tree-house set is not great, especially the U.S. version that lacks the "zip-wire" (why?!?!?)  I was lucky enough to get the European version at a local toy store (no clue as to why they were able stock it) and also a couple of the others at Target for $10 each on clearance (I like the big trees  :-[ .)

This could have been a great set, but you are right, the building is very poorly designed.   :'(

Thanks for the fun quiz!

- Anne



Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 14, 2008, 18:23:25


Hello, Anne ...



I, too, misunderstood completely!  I must agree, Richard, that the tree-house set is not great, especially the U.S. version that lacks the "zip-wire" (why?!?!?)  I was lucky enough to get the European version at a local toy store (no clue as to why they were able stock it) and also a couple of the others at Target for $10 each on clearance (I like the big trees :-[ .)

This could have been a great set, but you are right, the building is very poorly designed.   :'(



Wow ... only ten dollars? Great price!

I also like the trees and, of course, that wonderful landscape piece ...  :klickywink:

Too bad that I missed the Target clearance sale. I would have loved some more trees and landscape pieces.



Thanks for the fun quiz!



Hmmm ... think maybe I should do another?
Only this time I'll do better with the instructions and directions ...  :klickywink:


All the best my dear,
Richard

Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 15, 2008, 03:16:19

Don'_ worry about being perfect master Rich ... It has been fun enough. More than enough! That's what we like :)

Gus
:blackhair:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Janice on July 17, 2008, 02:36:55
Well fans, I've been reading your unhappiness with some of the sets and thought I would add a little unhappiness of my own.  I'm not saying that this is a "worst set" but I recently purchased the wedding tent/reception and I thought the tent seemed kind of flimsy and  the round table that is supposed to hold the wedding cake reminds me of the "Bobble head animals that ride in the back window of a car!  The base of the table was made of some kind of soft plastic that causes the table to wobble all over the place.  If you set the plates and cups on the table be prepared for a spill. 

There, now I feel better, I just hope the church will be well constructed and not follow the new plan that seems to be showing up.

Janice
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sir Gareth on July 17, 2008, 07:39:31
I don't think the set is all that bad it contains some nice pieces.

The tree house construction may look weak but it has to be a light structure for the trees to support it. It would look a bit crazy had they put a heavy steck styled building on top of those trees it would be way out of proportion, unless it was built on top of large fir trees.

I agree that it isn't really designed for adult figures but the DS set being a bit smaller and less complicated would make a nice children's tree house.

I don't like the trap door in this set there is no need for it they should of thought about it a bit more. It would of been better if they had supported the rope ladder over the trap door and had part of it folded on top of the door so when the door was opened the ladder would fall down.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Playmofool on July 17, 2008, 12:35:03
Still, this third system for building seems to become a standard one, as it seems to turn up again in the "Tierklinik"-series (4343; 4344) out this spring. In fact, it doesn't look that bad as animal cages.

As I haven't got the the sets myself, I'm not absolutely sure, but they definitely look compatible to the tree house structures, so probably we're going to get more of those.  :doh:
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 17, 2008, 15:32:43



Still, this third system for building seems to become a standard one, as it seems to turn up again in the "Tierklinik"-series (4343; 4344) out this spring. In fact, it doesn't look that bad as animal cages.

As I haven't got the the sets myself, I'm not absolutely sure, but they definitely look compatible to the tree house structures, so probably we're going to get more of those.  :
doh:



I think that you are absolutely correct, Simon ...

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Richard on July 17, 2008, 15:33:47


And ...

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Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Sylvia on July 17, 2008, 22:20:30
Well fans, I've been reading your unhappiness with some of the sets and thought I would add a little unhappiness of my own.  I'm not saying that this is a "worst set" but I recently purchased the wedding tent/reception and I thought the tent seemed kind of flimsy and  the round table that is supposed to hold the wedding cake reminds me of the "Bobble head animals that ride in the back window of a car!  The base of the table was made of some kind of soft plastic that causes the table to wobble all over the place.  If you set the plates and cups on the table be prepared for a spill.

That's a real pity, Janice. :(
Do you think there might be a flaw in the molding which is stopping the table parts from clicking firmly together? This seems possible to me since the furniture pieces are usually well-designed. Maybe you could write to Playmobil with your problem and see what they think? Sometimes faults like this only get picked up after a set has been released to the public, but they often fix them so that later batches of sets are of a better quality.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Martin Milner on July 18, 2008, 11:16:18
The 5759 safari house, by comparison, would make a very nice beach hut or cabin in the woods - a useful multi-purpose building. So nice that as soon as I saw your picture I immediately bought one off eBay!

Got my 5759 set today, thanks for the heads-up Richard. It's a great set with various animals including a nice version 2 Zebra (one of Tiermann's favourites I believe), two giraffes and 2 lions, a jeep, 2 klickies, various landscaping and of course the versatile raised house.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Timotheos on July 18, 2008, 11:57:52
I see exactly your objections to this building - if we can dignify it with the name, having only two walls. A connection system that doesn't match anything, leaves empty slits visible at the corners, looks flimsier that either Steck or System-x, yet uses the horrid yellow connectors to hold the roof on.

I think the set was modeled after that gang of green saviors doing the tree sit-in on Berkeley Campus.

The trap door is so you can empty your latrine bucket after making sure there are no sympathetic journalists snapping photos below.

The guy with the rifle has a fake rifle and is there to make a statement against hunting foxes, the war with Iran, and honest guys who like target shooting as sport.
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: socrates on July 18, 2008, 17:49:18
I think the set was modeled after that gang of green saviors doing the tree sit-in on Berkeley Campus.

The trap door is so you can empty your latrine bucket after making sure there are no sympathetic journalists snapping photos below.

The guy with the rifle has a fake rifle and is there to make a statement against hunting foxes, the war with Iran, and honest guys who like target shooting as sport.

 :lol: :withtearsintheeyesfromlaughing
I think Tim hit exactly what playmo intended to state with the treehouse.

@richard: if there ever needed any more proof of you playmo-addiction, I want to state that -- even in a thread about the worst set ever opened by yourself -- you want to buy some more of these sets...  ...that's the spirit... :D

back to the tree-house, I think, the set comes under value in the US. I heard from people in germany, which disliked the ropeway, as it is mounted on a tree and not as stable as it should be... ...but I liked it as a cool feature in the set.
plus: there is a tree-house in the zirndorf funpark!  :yup:
plus: in the new (german) "playmos" radio plays the tree-house is a core location in a jurassic-park-like adventure...

so, once climbed in by yourself, once dreamed of watching dinosaurs from it, I personally have enough personal involvement in liking this set... :)

best,
socrates
Title: Re: WORST SET EVER?
Post by: Gustavo on July 19, 2008, 02:33:18
I think the set was modeled after that gang of green saviors doing the tree sit-in on Berkeley Campus.

The trap door is so you can empty your latrine bucket after making sure there are no sympathetic journalists snapping photos below.

The guy with the rifle has a fake rifle and is there to make a statement against hunting foxes, the war with Iran, and honest guys who like target shooting as sport.


They could be students ... They wear awful colours! ... But what about the golden nuggets? :hmm:

 ;D

Gus
:blackhair: