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General => Trains! => Topic started by: Janilew on July 07, 2021, 19:40:14
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I'm in desperate need of a manual for 4054 so I can know how to set up the dang thing! Please help!!!
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Try here:
https://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=16093.0
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This is not my area at all, but having done some digging around with Professor Google and having cross-referenced it with playmodb, I've found these two images. Do they help Janilew?
(https://i.imgur.com/dbbxyu2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ozoAAKO.png)
Steve
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That's the pictorial document and there is also some printed material on use. I have the 4052 info on that which may help.
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Send the PDF files by WeTransfer, and they are downloaded. No thanks yet.....
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Send the PDF files by WeTransfer, and they are downloaded. No thanks yet.....
I suppose that makes you "Dear God"? :P
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Lol, thanks everyone. ;D I contacted Marco_4124 and they wre able to email me the manual. I'm very new to this kind of train as all the experience I had was with battery operated trains like 5258 and Thomas the Tank Engine. The eBay seller I got ol' 4054 from was so helpful and even linked me to a transformer the had that they used as a child. My question is do I just plug it in the bottom of the train? I see holes and a plus sign so I assume yes?
GOSH I'm so lost. :-[
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Lol, thanks everyone. ;D I contacted Marco_4124 and they wre able to email me the manual. I'm very new to this kind of train as all the experience I had was with battery operated trains like 5258 and Thomas the Tank Engine. The eBay seller I got ol' 4054 from was so helpful and even linked me to a transformer the had that they used as a child. My question is do I just plug it in the bottom of the train? I see holes and a plus sign so I assume yes?
GOSH I'm so lost. :-[
You're losing me here. The 4054 picks up power from the brass track through the main wheels and the two "skates" between the wheels (one "skate" on each side).
The transformer is used to reduce the mains power to a safer voltage of up to 16v. Can you post a picture or a link to it.
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Never played with a model train ??? (iPad generation.....)
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Never played with a model train ??? (iPad generation.....)
Not really - I never played with a model train as a kid - my first was the nostalgie, and I was well in my 20s...
(I'm old, btw :P )
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Never played with a model train ??? (iPad generation.....)
Siiigh, I know. Born in the wrong one. :P But in all seriousness, like I said, my only experience I have is with Thomas and model 5258. So I only now know about transformers and the like. Me and my mom have considered getting an actual model train before since it's so hard to get a hold a Playmobil one for decent coin these days. BUT I got lucky with 4054 on Ebay! :love:
You're losing me here. The 4054 picks up power from the brass track through the main wheels and the two "skates" between the wheels (one "skate" on each side).
The transformer is used to reduce the mains power to a safer voltage of up to 16v. Can you post a picture or a link to it.
Uploading pictures here is a pain. All I can say is that underneath the engine (the car carrying the wood) is that there's two holes underneath. Each one located to a screw. I might be wrong assuming you plug anything into it though. Perhaps Marco can help explain?
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Go to my web site and to the page marked stock.
www.walts-playmobil-collection.me.uk/stock.htm
You will see at the top the chassis of the type in your loco.
If you scroll down till you find your loco, click on the photograph and it will enlarge.
You should then be able to see how your loco fits on to the track.
Hope this will help you.
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If you bought Playmobil 4054 for a bargain, I fear the worst. It is one of the rarest Playmobil trains around.
The technique is based on LGB trains (https://www.lgb.com), so you need LGB tracks (quite expensive), and a transformer to put electricity on the tracks. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgCuMuXKP0&t=16s) Unlike 5258 it does not carry it's own power in the form of batteries.
I will send you a few PDF file's about electric trains.
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If you bought Playmobil 4054 for a bargain, I fear the worst. It is one of the rarest Playmobil trains around.
The technique is based on LGB trains (https://www.lgb.com), so you need LGB tracks (quite expensive), and a transformer to put electricity on the tracks. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgCuMuXKP0&t=16s) Unlike 5258 it does not carry it's own power in the form of batteries.
I will send you a few PDF file's about electric trains.
You can use other makes of 45mm track than LGB, e.g. Piiko or Aristocraft, but LGB is most common. Whatever make you use, buy brass not steel.
You can use either a transformer and controller in one unit, such as the Playmobil one or a separate transformer and separate controller.
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You've got mail :)
Can you give a little hint about where you live and how old you are ?
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BUT I got lucky with 4054 on Ebay! :love:
Kannst Du uns bitte mal den Link zu der Auktion schicken? Vielleicht sehen wir dann, wo das Problem liegt. Ein Schnäppchen auf eBay klingt bei DER Lok ned gut, wenn ich ehrlich bin.
Could you please link your auction here so we might get a clue as to what's wrong? "for a bargain" doesn't sound too good here... :-/.
So ganz grundsätzlich:
(1) Laß die Finger vom Trafo, wenn Du Dich mit sowas ned auskennst!
(2) Die alten Playmobilloks bekommen ihren Strom über die Schienen. Die müssen aus Metall sein (die 4054 kann nicht auf den Kunststoffgleisen der 5258 fahren - eine Thomas-Lok von Playmobil gibt's nicht, was ist das für eine Lok?).
(3) Bei der 4054 ist ein Motor im Tender verbaut (ist der drin?) und unter dem Tender müssen zwei Schleifer hängen, die auf dem Gleis aufliegen und den Strom aufnehmen. Sind die da?
General issues:
(1) Hands off that transformer unless you know how to handle that thing!
(2) Old Playmobil engines need metal tracks for power supply. They don't run on 5258's plastic tracks (and as Playmobil never issued a Thomas the Tank engine loco I've no idea what kind of enginge you're talking about).
(3) 4054's fitted with one motor inside the tender (is there a motor inside?) and there ought to be two skates underneath as playmofire already explained (are there?).
jj:
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Kannst Du uns bitte mal den Link zu der Auktion schicken? Vielleicht sehen wir dann, wo das Problem liegt. Ein Schnäppchen auf eBay klingt bei DER Lok ned gut, wenn ich ehrlich bin.
Could you please link your auction here so we might get a clue as to what's wrong? "for a bargain" doesn't sound too good here... :-/.
So ganz grundsätzlich:
(1) Laß die Finger vom Trafo, wenn Du Dich mit sowas ned auskennst!
(2) Die alten Playmobilloks bekommen ihren Strom über die Schienen. Die müssen aus Metall sein (die 4054 kann nicht auf den Kunststoffgleisen der 5258 fahren - eine Thomas-Lok von Playmobil gibt's nicht, was ist das für eine Lok?).
(3) Bei der 4054 ist ein Motor im Tender verbaut (ist der drin?) und unter dem Tender müssen zwei Schleifer hängen, die auf dem Gleis aufliegen und den Strom aufnehmen. Sind die da?
General issues:
(1) Hands off that transformer unless you know how to handle that thing!
(2) Old Playmobil engines need metal tracks for power supply. They don't run on 5258's plastic tracks (and as Playmobil never issued a Thomas the Tank engine loco I've no idea what kind of enginge you're talking about).
(3) 4054's fitted with one motor inside the tender (is there a motor inside?) and there ought to be two skates underneath as playmofire already explained (are there?).
jj:
Now, as I've made clear- I'm nowhere near an expert with these sort of trains; so maybe I'm just confused. But here's the original listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324690194470?nma=true&si=eOGOTyGQT9QMDxJA5f9sv4bWSK0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/324690194470?nma=true&si=eOGOTyGQT9QMDxJA5f9sv4bWSK0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
1: Yes, please tell me how to handle a transformer and tracks!
2: Lol, Thomas the Tank Engine is another brand entirely. I just used that as an example of the only kind of trains I've dealt with personally. They're battery operated and have wooden tracks. :-[
3. If by "skates" you mean those metallic legs then YES! It still has those attached. From what I've seen, the seller was NOT lying about the train being complete. It even has the bell it originally came with. I'll see if I can get photos on here somehow.
Edit: I think I understand now (with help to Marco). I assume that the transformer sends electricity through the track, it travels up the skates and powers the train like that. Is that how it all works?
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The motor is in the tender: these are the current pick-ups (red arrow) —>
(https://i.postimg.cc/jSy3xLXC/s-l1600.jpg)
The locomotive has NO motor at all.
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Advice:
Go to a local model train dealer and explain you have a G-scale train running on 45 mm gauge tracks. The train is from Playmobil, and the older Playmobil trains were made with help from LGB.
He must be able to give you advice, helping with a simple oval of tracks to start with, and a safe transformer.
If you ever want to add more cars: PIKO and LGB cars will fit.
Welcome to a exiting hobby :)
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(Any idea how late it is in The Netherlands???)
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The motor is in the tender: these are the current pick-ups (red arrow) —>
(https://i.postimg.cc/jSy3xLXC/s-l1600.jpg)
The locomotive has NO motor at all.
So I AM right! Thanks for the confirmation.
(Any idea how late it is in The Netherlands???)
3:35 AM my good buddy.
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The tender also picks up power through the wheels.
With the old Playmobil locos, LGB only provided the tracks and the motor is made by Playmobil and takes a maximum of 16v, so ideally you should try and buy a Playmobil transformer/controller (a single unit which does both jobs). These often appear on eBay.
LGB transformers and controllers can deliver up to 22 volts, and could burn your motor out.
You can also use the Playmobil trucks from your battery powered Playmobil train.
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A Fleischmann, Roco transformer wiil also do. I am using a Fleischmann transformer.
WARNING: DO NOT USE A MÄRKLIN TRANSFORMER, THAT IS ALTERNATING CURRENT.
But back to my basic advice: visit a local modelltrain shop.
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A Fleischmann, Roco transformer wiil also do. I am using a Fleischmann transformer.
WARNING: DO NOT USE A MÄRKLIN TRANSFORMER, THAT IS ALTERNATING CURRENT.
But back to my basic advice: visit a local modelltrain shop.
Thanks for the rec! :)
But back to my basic advice: visit a local modelltrain shop.
Not sure if we have one here. :( But what are your thoughts on just getting an actual Playmobil one. Is it weaker or inferior in any way to alternatives?
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1: Yes, please tell me how to handle a transformer and tracks!
Gerne ... Well, then...
(1) Trafo / Transformator / Regeltrafo
Der Trafo transformiert den Strom. Auf der einen Seite kommt eine Spannung von 230V (Steckdose) rein, auf der anderen eine feste Spannung von ca. 20V raus. Damit die Züge unterschiedlich schnell fahren können, braucht's noch den Regler. Der kann die Spannung jetzt von 0-max V regeln. Playmobiltrafos sind immer Reglertrafos => da ist Trafo und Regler in einem. Bei LGB gibt's die Teile auch getrennt.
A trafo transfers voltage from 230V (socket) down to - lets say - 20V. To run a train you got to add a rotary control knob to regulate the voltage. Playmobil only provided combined trafo-controls while LGB offers both a combined control and seperate trafo + control units.
(https://abload.de/img/trafo1bckrk.jpg)
Ein Regeltrafo hat mindestens zwei Ausgänge (für den Fahrstrom zu den Gleisen), oft nochmal zwei Ausgänge. Die liefern Strom für Licht, Weichen... Dieser zweite Ausgang ist nicht geregelt und bietet immer die maximale Spannung.
A combined control at least offers one double output (to connect to your track an let trains run); often there is a second double output providing not varying voltage to operate lights, points...
(2) Zugfahrten / To run a train
Die meisten Modellbahnen fahren mit Gleichstrom (mir ist nur Märklin H0 als Wechselstrombahn bekannt) - so auch Playmobil. Der Strom fließt über die Gleise zur Lok (bzw. hier zum Tender) und über die Stromabnehmer zum Motor. Über den Regler wird die Spannung verändert, je höher die Spannung, desto schneller fährt der Zug. Dreht man den Regler in die Gegenrichtung, wird die Spannung getauscht (die rote und schwarze Linie zum Gleis) und der Zug fährt in die andere Richtung.
Like most model railways Playmobil motors are DC powered. Turning the control knob increases the voltage and thereby the train's speed. Turning the knob to the opposite side swaps +/- (heed red and black link to tracks) and makes the train run the other direction. Metal tracks are needed to connect engine to trafo; skates connect tracks to motor. This is it.
(https://abload.de/img/trafo2uykvf.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/trafo3cajgc.jpg)
jj:
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Not sure if we have one here. :( But what are your thoughts on just getting an actual Playmobil one. Is it weaker or inferior in any way to alternatives?
They are fine sturdy things even though they are old by now.
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But what are your thoughts on just getting an actual Playmobil one. Is it weaker or inferior in any way to alternatives?
Du meinst einen Trafo / It's a transformer you're talking about?
Playmobil hat seine Trafobahn vor zig Jahren eingestellt. Du bekommst nur noch gebraucht Trafos. Die taugen aber in der Regel. Sie liefern max. 14V bei 0,5A, was aber für zwei Loks reicht.
As Playmobil stopped its trafo trains years ago there are but second hand transformers for sale now. But usually they do their jobs quite well providing you with 14V 0.5A - enough to run two trains.
jj: