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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 02:05:09 »
This castle - Caerlaverock Castle - not too far from where I live was originally built fairly near the sea, then this one was built a little way away but on firmer ground, it is triangular in shape and its strongest points were its gatehouse and moat. 


This is one of my favorites also!  :wow:

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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 07:02:20 »
The last picture is what I was thinking about when viewing G's pictures. If a castle is built by an ocean where a port could be maintained there would not always be tall rock outcroppings with flat tops for great defensible spaces. Some castles must have been built on flatter terrain. It is also a problem for raising food when your castle is located on rocky terrain as it would be much harder to farm.

This is a great learning topic for me. Thanks for all the info

The people who lived in castles didn't need to farm or fish.

The Lord of the castle (generally appointed by the King) is owed a tithe (usually 10% of their produce) by the people living on his lands, and they undoubtedly had the task of delivering food and other goods to the castle throughout the year. In return he and his men provide "protection" to the farmers, artisans, merchants etc. in the event of an attack. People who do not produce useful goods would pay a tax.

The King would have some castles held by a Constable, who is not a true Lord in his own right, and the income from the lands controlled by these castles goes direct to the King. The Lords also pay a tax to the King, so he gets quite a lot of dosh.

That's a simplification of the Feudal system which took centuries to evolve, but you get the idea od a few rich lazy sods at the top of the pyramid, and a lot of downtrodden peasants at the bottom working their socks off to make ends meet and have enough to give to someone who owns the land they live on.

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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2010, 09:13:17 »
The people who lived in castles didn't need to farm or fish.

The Lord of the castle (generally appointed by the King) is owed a tithe (usually 10% of their produce) by the people living on his lands, and they undoubtedly had the task of delivering food and other goods to the castle throughout the year. In return he and his men provide "protection" to the farmers, artisans, merchants etc. in the event of an attack. People who do not produce useful goods would pay a tax.

The King would have some castles held by a Constable, who is not a true Lord in his own right, and the income from the lands controlled by these castles goes direct to the King. The Lords also pay a tax to the King, so he gets quite a lot of dosh.

That's a simplification of the Feudal system which took centuries to evolve, but you get the idea od a few rich lazy sods at the top of the pyramid, and a lot of downtrodden peasants at the bottom working their socks off to make ends meet and have enough to give to someone who owns the land they live on.



Sorry, Martin, but here's how it really works:

  ARTHUR:  Old woman!
  DENNIS:  Man!
  ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry.  What knight lives in that castle over there?
  DENNIS:  I'm thirty seven.
  ARTHUR:  What?
  DENNIS:  I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old!
  ARTHUR:  Well, I can't just call you `Man'.
  DENNIS:  Well, you could say `Dennis'.
  ARTHUR:  Well, I didn't know you were called `Dennis.'
  DENNIS:  Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?
  ARTHUR:  I did say sorry about the `old woman,' but from the behind
      you looked--
  DENNIS:  What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!
  ARTHUR:  Well, I AM king...
  DENNIS:  Oh king, eh, very nice.  An' how'd you get that, eh?  By
      exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma
      which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society!
      If there's ever going to be any progress--
  WOMAN:  Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here.  Oh -- how d'you do?
  ARTHUR:  How do you do, good lady.  I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
      Who's castle is that?
  WOMAN:  King of the who?
  ARTHUR:  The Britons.
  WOMAN:  Who are the Britons?
  ARTHUR:  Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
  WOMAN:  I didn't know we had a king.  I thought we were an autonomous
      collective.
  DENNIS:  You're fooling yourself.  We're living in a dictatorship.
      A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
  WOMAN:  Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
  DENNIS:  That's what it's all about if only people would--
  ARTHUR:  Please, please good people.  I am in haste.  Who lives
      in that castle?
  WOMAN:  No one lives there.
  ARTHUR:  Then who is your lord?
  WOMAN:  We don't have a lord.
  ARTHUR:  What?
  DENNIS:  I told you.  We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take
      it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
  ARTHUR:  Yes.
  DENNIS:  But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified
      at a special biweekly meeting.
  ARTHUR:  Yes, I see.
  DENNIS:  By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
  ARTHUR:  Be quiet!
  DENNIS:  --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
  ARTHUR:  Be quiet!  I order you to be quiet!
  WOMAN:  Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
  ARTHUR:  I am your king!
  WOMAN:  Well, I didn't vote for you.
  ARTHUR:  You don't vote for kings.
  WOMAN:  Well, 'ow did you become king then?
  ARTHUR:  The Lady of the Lake,
      [angels sing]
      her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
      from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
      Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
      [singing stops]
      That is why I am your king!
  DENNIS:  Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
      is no basis for a system of government.  Supreme executive power
      derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
      aquatic ceremony.
  ARTHUR:  Be quiet!
  DENNIS:  Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
      just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!
  DENNIS:  I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
      because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
      put me away!
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!  Will you shut up!
  DENNIS:  Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!
  DENNIS:  Oh!  Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
      HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
  ARTHUR:  Bloody peasant!
  DENNIS:  Oh, what a give away.  Did you hear that, did you hear that,
      eh?  That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me,
      you saw it didn't you?
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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 12:59:21 »



Sorry, Martin, but here's how it really works:



That would make a great photo-story, KM ...  ;D


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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 13:01:58 »



... working their socks off to make ends meet and have enough to give to ...  (the government).



Martin, we celebrate this event in the United States every year on the 15th of April ...  ;D


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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 09:12:06 »


Martin, we celebrate this event in the United States every year on the 15th of April ...  ;D



 :lol: :lol: So true!  Sad, but true!
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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 18:21:41 »


Martin, we celebrate this event in the United States every year on the 15th of April ...  ;D



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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2010, 02:19:12 »

Sorry, Martin, but here's how it really works:

  ARTHUR:  Old woman!
[...]
 does he think he is?
  ARTHUR:  I am your king!
  WOMAN:  Well, I didn't vote for you.
  ARTHUR:  You don't vote for kings.
  WOMAN:  Well, 'ow did you become king then?
  ARTHUR:  The Lady of the Lake,
      [angels sing]
      her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
      from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
      Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
      [singing stops]
      That is why I am your king!
  DENNIS:  Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
      is no basis for a system of government.  Supreme executive power
      derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
      aquatic ceremony.
  ARTHUR:  Be quiet!
  DENNIS:  Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
      just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!
  DENNIS:  I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
      because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
      put me away!
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!  Will you shut up!
  DENNIS:  Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
  ARTHUR:  Shut up!
  DENNIS:  Oh!  Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
      HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
  ARTHUR:  Bloody peasant!
  DENNIS:  Oh, what a give away.  Did you hear that, did you hear that,
      eh?  That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me,
      you saw it didn't you?


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I had forgotten this part of Monty Python The Holy Grail :lol:

They're really brilliant! :P
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Re: CASTLES ON THE ROCKS
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2010, 02:23:04 »
(I have a friend affictionate to the Knights who say "Ni!".)

-x-

Anyway, back on castles here, what about the castles in the Holy Land (Palestine). In that movie _Kingdom of Heaven_ we can see one (Kerak), but there are SO MANY historical innacuracies in that movie that for sure I cannot trust Kerak was like that by any means (not merely by the movie xP ).

However, the castle portrayed in the movie looks like a castle in a great plain (or plateau, I don't know). (Kerak is near Iran, in the map ...)
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