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General => Trains! => Topic started by: Junker Jörg on May 06, 2017, 07:38:46

Title: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 06, 2017, 07:38:46
Zu lang ist's her, daß ich meine Gartenbahn abbauen mußte. Jetzt konnte endlich der Dachboden unseres Hauses besiedelt werden. Nach einigen Versuchen war DAS...
(http://abload.de/img/0004plan1-ergebnisu8unp.jpg)
...der Plan.
A long, long time ago I had to remove my garden layout. Now the attic was due to be colonised! And that's the final plan.

Zunächst waren einige Vorarbeiten nötig: Das unisolierte Dach mit Dachfolie gegen Dreck abdichten:
(http://abload.de/img/011fcrno.jpg)
Some "starters" such as shielding the roof against dirt from outside...

Oder einen Teppich für's Wohlbefinden und die Landschaftsoptik:
(http://abload.de/img/015k1qya.jpg)
...or laying a carpet to provide better feeling and a touch of 'landscape'.

Für die Elektrik wurde an einem der stillgelegten Kamine eine Holzwand angebracht, weil sich da leichter bohren läßt.
(http://abload.de/img/020dvqbj.jpg)
A wooden panel grants easy fastening of electric devices.

Let the track layout begin...!

Und dann kann der Gleisbau starten!

jj:

Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Macruran on May 06, 2017, 22:32:21
Awesome! I love massive installations like this.
 :rock:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on May 06, 2017, 23:33:54
Do you improve the inside of the roof with wooden panels or so?
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 06, 2017, 23:50:13
Nein. Wir wohnen zur Miete und ich müßte es selber zahlen => zu teuer. Nope as it's a rented dwelling and I'd have to pay that on my own.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 07, 2017, 19:25:55
I hope you've left a large air space between the chimney and the wooden cladding.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on May 07, 2017, 19:31:40
It seems HUGE!

Looking forward to more - I love these "progress" pics :love:

Thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 07, 2017, 20:24:13
Mehr ist unterwegs, und der Kamin ist stillgelegt. More's yet to come and that chimney is shut down (if you can use that frase here - otherwise it's out of order  8-) ).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on May 07, 2017, 21:07:44
There is even space for a plane.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 07, 2017, 21:51:20
Mehr ist unterwegs, und der Kamin ist stillgelegt. More's yet to come and that chimney is shut down (if you can use that frase here - otherwise it's out of order  8-) ).

jj:

Shut down is PK, although if the chimney is blocked off at the top the technical term is "capped".

frase = phrase - another English trap for the unsuspecting!
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 08, 2017, 06:49:44
Well then 'capped' it is and I ought to return to school to avoid beginners' mistakes such as 'frase' I can't even pin the blame for on auto-spelling...  :-[ .

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Knight Train on May 09, 2017, 19:03:18
Great looking layout.  I'm guessing knee pads are going to be a big help.

Can't wait to see the progress pictures.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 10, 2017, 07:55:40
Weiter geht's - and on we go:

Der Blick auf eine der beiden langen Paradestrecken:
(http://abload.de/img/132moz6x.jpg)
One of the "traight lines" alongside the floor-ceiling-edge.

Noch nicht im Gleisplan aber in echt: der "Einhornverladebahnhof", damit die Tochter sicher spielen kann, ohne meine Züge zu stören *g*:
(http://abload.de/img/034u2ugl.jpg)
Unicorn-Junction - not yet shown on the track plan but existing in real to allow my doughter to play safely without interfering with my trains.

Die Einfahrt zum Hauptbahnhof inkl. Rangiergleise:
(http://abload.de/img/035xvuaj.jpg)
Main station and yards.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 10, 2017, 08:26:45
Coming on nicely.

I like the name Unicorn Junction.  Presumably they are Playmobil ones.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 10, 2017, 08:48:16
Playmobil and quite pink-coloured...  ::)

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on May 10, 2017, 09:06:09
(https://s27.postimg.org/dhg95j4sj/035xvuaj.jpg)

No problems over there with passing trains ??? (for instance the longer Panorama cars, or Playmobil 4016/4019).
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 10, 2017, 12:16:45
Nö, bis jetzt noch nicht. Möglicherweise wird der breite VT 98 Probleme bekommen, aber alle anderen Züge passen durch.

None yet. Maybe Pikos VT98 might be to wide, but all other trains have passed without touching so far.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 11, 2017, 11:15:06
Die ersten Zugbilder:

Den Anfang macht der LGB-Nürnberg-Jubiläumszug, den ich mir letzten Monat selbst geschenkt habe.
(http://abload.de/img/100geburtstagszugb2upl.jpg)
That's a Nuremberg-Anniversary-Train I presented myself with last month.

Und so schaut's im "kleinen" Bahnhof aus. Länger dürfen die Züge hier nicht sein...  ???. Der Westernzug braucht noch eine passende Lok (die ich aber erst digitalisieren muß).
(http://abload.de/img/101zgeo5ug2.jpg)
And here's the wee station - including a western train still waiting for a proper engine (which still is to be fitted with a digigal decoder).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 11, 2017, 13:08:54
Things are progressing nicely.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on May 11, 2017, 14:34:45
I spot a few custom made trains too :)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 11, 2017, 15:20:28
I spot a few custom made trains too :)
Echt edzd? Wo? Really? Where?

 :o

jj:

P.S. Da müßtest Du hinter die Kamera gucken können, denn von den Selbstbauwaggons hab ich hier noch nichts gezeigt - you'd have to look behind my cam for that as I haven't shown any customised coaches and trucks here.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Knight Train on May 11, 2017, 21:45:48
Lot's of progress.

What software did you use to do the picture of the track layout in your initial post?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 12, 2017, 07:46:33
Der Gleisplan wurde mit OpenOffice Draw erstellt - I've utilised OpenOffice Draw to sketch my layout.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 15, 2017, 11:32:31
Am Wochenende ging's ein wenig weiter:

Zunächst wurden Strippen gezogen und zwei Weichenpulte an Dachlatten auf Augenhöhe montiert.
(https://abload.de/img/40kabelgewirrm9lbm.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/40kabelgewirrm9lbm.jpg)
Wires and switches to operate a first 10 sets of points are installed now.

Ein wunderschöner Zug: Der VT98 von Piko. Und er paßt am Schüsselpfosten vorbei.
(https://abload.de/img/102vt98h4zex.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/103vtpatvorbeim7yi1.jpg)
Pikos VT98 - simply nice. And it passes that pole wihout any problems.

Hier wird ein Hügel entstehen - a hill about to be created:
(https://abload.de/img/201kappelbergq5lny.jpg)

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on May 20, 2017, 11:50:51
Do you have a name for your railway company?
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 20, 2017, 14:42:42
Ja. Es ist immer noch die "Pfarramtlich Fränkische Garteneinsenbahn" (Pf.F.G.B.) - und im Prinzip fährt sie ja nach wie vor im Pfarrgarten - nur halt hoch oben unter Dach  8-). It's still good old "Pfarramtlich Fränkische Garteneisenbahn" (by the means of " Franconian Rectory Garden Railway") - and technically spoken it's still running in our parsonage's garden; just roofed and a few floors closer to heavens  :)).

jj:

EDIT German English turned into proper English  8} - Stilfehler
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 20, 2017, 14:47:36
Es wurde auch ein wenig weitergebaut: Dieses Kabelgewölle ist ja völlig inakzeptabel.
(https://abload.de/img/042vorhertkzvh.jpg)
An absolutely unacceptable twine of wires!

So sähe das gleich viel besser aus:
(https://abload.de/img/043stellprobez1a73.jpg)
Would be much better looking like that!

Also kommt hier halt ein Häuschen hin.
(https://abload.de/img/044fertigxeztv.jpg)
Done!

jj:

EDIT Rechtschreibfehler / misspelling
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 20, 2017, 15:49:28
A very neat solution to your unacceptable twist of wires on the Franconian Rectory Garden Railway.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 20, 2017, 16:00:13
Oh dear - that many mistakes in just two posts... (http://www.klickywelt.de/images/smilies/017-ohnmacht.gif) Thanks for helping (http://www.klickywelt.de/images/smilies/010-dank.gif).

unacceptable
I'll sue my online dictonary. I DID look that up!  :hmm:

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 21, 2017, 06:46:01
Eine neue Lok für den Dachboden. Optisch gar nicht mal so übel. Schade, daß die Techniker ihren Part verbockt haben. Die Lok fährt im langsamsten Gang fast so schnell, wie meine Züge im Schnitt  ???.
(http://abload.de/img/105gelbediesel5yu6z.jpg)
Engines' meeting. Looking good, but unfortunately those Zirndorf technicians messed it up as they let that enginge go too fast (lowest gear makes it run nearly as fast as all my trains do at normal speed).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 21, 2017, 08:22:42
Oh dear - that many mistakes in just two posts... (http://www.klickywelt.de/images/smilies/017-ohnmacht.gif) Thanks for helping (http://www.klickywelt.de/images/smilies/010-dank.gif).
I'll sue my online dictonary. I DID look that up!  :hmm:

jj:

Well, the second one wasn't yours and the first is in some way correct.  You live in a rectory and there is the English noun "rectorial" meaning to do with or about a rector.  A rector in the UK now is a word usually used today for the head of university college and it is a post someone is elected to and this process would be called a rectorial election.   However, when describing something associated with the building called a rectory, such as the garden people would say the rectory garden.

In German, do adjectives come after the word they are describing?  If so, writing "rectorial Franconian" is simply following your usual practice and easily done.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Macruran on May 21, 2017, 15:43:53
rectorial election

Say that ten times fast!  ;D
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 21, 2017, 15:48:01
Say that ten times fast!  ;D

 :-[
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 21, 2017, 15:53:00
In German, do adjectives come after the word they are describing?  If so, writing "rectorial Franconian" is simply following your usual practice and easily done.
Nope. Just as in English it's adjectiv - subject: a green meadow / eine grüne Wiese. But here it's two adjectives both giving a closer definition to the garden railway. And here it's title before place: Königlich Bayrisch = royal bavarian. And following that scheme I came to "Rectorial Franconian"  8}.

Say that ten times fast!  ;D
Flawlessly done. Tongue still untwisted *g*. Fehlerfrei erledigt, Zunge noch ungeknotet  :).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 22, 2017, 22:10:45
Auch das Stellwerk ist nun in Betrieb und kaschiert ein Kabelknäuel:
(https://abload.de/img/049stellwerkfertigossse.jpg)
A signal box now covers another twist of wires.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 23, 2017, 20:13:35
Ein kleiner Blick in meine...
(https://abload.de/img/050werkstattvnjei.jpg)
...Gartenwerkstatt - my garden workshop.

Und in der Ecke ist der Kappelberg entstanden.
(https://abload.de/img/052kappelbergb0ksf.jpg)
Mount Chapel, Kappelberg covers one corner.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 23, 2017, 21:00:49
Things are coming on apace;  I wish I had an area like that for a layout.  Hopefully, I can set up a layout in half the garage in the near future, although it will be cold in the winter.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 27, 2017, 22:50:09
Damit die zahlreichen Züge auch bestiegen werden können, braucht's allmählich mal ein paar Bahnsteige. Some platforms will grant comfortable access to trains. First an island platform.

(https://abload.de/img/061bahnsteig1iok9j.jpg)
Mittelbahnsteig für den Diagonalbahnhof. Hier ist noch Platz für ein wenig Ausstattung.

And here's my wee station. Scatchbuilt with spare western parts:
(https://abload.de/img/063bahnhofnaka7.jpg)
Das Bahnhofsgebäude für den "kleinen" entstand aus Westernresten.

(https://abload.de/img/062bahnsteig2hbkq3.jpg)
Der ein oder andere könnte diese Langwagen noch von WOB2009 kennen.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on May 28, 2017, 08:56:20
It's good to see that the railway is already attracting lots of passengers and the small station looks very smart.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 28, 2017, 10:07:15
It's good to see that the railway is already attracting lots of passengers ...
Indeed as that finally stopps them from lingering round in my cellar an overcrowding my shelves  :lol:.

Definitiv, dann hören sie endlich auf, sinnlos meine Kellerregale zu überfüllen  8}.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Tiermann on May 28, 2017, 18:27:51
That's a nice use of the saloon walls. Pretty little station.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on May 31, 2017, 05:16:59
Freut mich, daß es Dir gefällt - glad to see you like it.  :)

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on June 28, 2017, 19:17:50
Die Bauarbeiter waren wieder fleißig und heute... / workmen have been busy and so...

(http://abload.de/img/401bahnsteigmobiliarxurnn.jpg)
Von der Güteranlage des Hauptbahnhofes aus macht sich gerade ein Zug mit...

(http://abload.de/img/402xwpc5.jpg)
...seltsamer Fracht zu ebenjenem Bahnsteig auf.

(http://abload.de/img/403uyp3a.jpg)
Die östliche Bahnhofseinfahrt kurz nach dem Kappelbergtunnel.

(http://abload.de/img/4049hqi5.jpg)
Ankunft am neuen Bahnsteig.

A fright train is about to leave the yards heading for the wee station. A new platform has been installed here now waiting for refurbishment and - of course - passengers to come.

(http://abload.de/img/405yerd6.jpg)
Und kurz drauf steht das erste Bahnsteigmobiliar  :) . Und Fahrgäste sind auch schon da.

(http://abload.de/img/40660ol1.jpg)
Doch der aufmerksame Beobachter merkt: Da ist noch mehr drin, und so hält der Zug kurz drauf am Hauptbahnhof, der ebenfalls ein paar neue Bahnsteige bekommen hat.

And as there's still something left on the truck main stations's the next stop also providing a brand new platform to be crowded by passengers, benches and whatever more might come.

(http://abload.de/img/4070jqix.jpg)
Und auch hier erfreut man sich schwuppdiwupp der neuen Bank.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on June 28, 2017, 19:43:15
Und nach dem Arbeit gibt es natürlich Bier ;)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on June 28, 2017, 19:55:46
You have some wonderful rolling stock and locos in your collection and your completed layout will be superb.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on June 28, 2017, 22:03:31
Na klar, das Bier steht schon bereit  :lol: . Cheers playmofire. I indeed am a wee bit proud of some of my rolling stock...  :-[.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 11, 2017, 20:41:51
Um auch am Zug auf dem Laufenden zu sein, steht der Zeitungskiosk auf dem Bahnsteig. Und nebenan verkauft der Zeitungsjunge die "Nürnberger Zeitung".

(https://abload.de/img/409kioskdquoy.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/408zeitungsjunge8qupl.jpg)

To keep passengers up to date at any time kiosk and paper laddy provide printed news ("Nürnberger Zeitung") at the platforms.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Tiermann on July 12, 2017, 00:19:46
Great use of that kiosk. I really like that structure. It can come in handy in many places.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on July 12, 2017, 05:19:10
Nice photos and a neat piece of detail.

Did you make the newspapers yourself?

I've jut ordered one of those kiosks from UK DS;  maybe I'll make it two.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 12, 2017, 07:24:40
Lovely :love:

The newspapers look really great.

I also plan to get a couple of those kiosks from DS.. They are gorgeous, and a much better color than the xmas ones.

(nitpicking: please fix the woman's arms in the last pic - sorry, can't help it)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 12, 2017, 21:50:32
Jepp, der Kiosk ist echt klasse. Da kann man was draus machen. Schade, daß er schon wieder aus dem normalen DS-Sortiment verschwunden ist.

This kiosk really is great. It's a shame they've banned it already from regular DS sales  :'(. Here's a short making of:
To allow a salesman inside one of the inner tables received a shortening. Then two huts make one - requiring the circulatory counter to be folded up to open the door  ::). No space to be wasted here!
The papers finally are taken from the www. I just looked for pics of original Nuremberg or at least Franconian papers dating back to about 1900. So those stacks really are made of printed paper.

And just tonight my last engine overhauls are finalised: Both rail bus drivers had come loose from their turning sockets and were to be re-fixed. Now they can operate their engine again - only looking ahead when really driving; elsewise talking to a passenger next to them. And one of the tender loco's harnesses connecting engine to tender had to be replugged. Now I can chose from three Diesels, two railbusses, three tank engines and two tender locos to run on my layout. It's quite some fun to see them running steered by daughter and da  :). It could be one more engine. I once supplied a motor with a wee decoder as to just click it under any train I just wanted to run digitally. Problem is: I actually lost track of under which engine I clicked it...  8}.

Eine kurze Baugeschichte des Kiosks:

(https://abload.de/img/071kiosk1l6one.jpg)
Damit am Ende noch ein Verkäufer reinpaßt, wurde ein Ausschnitt in eine der beiden inneren Theken gedremelt. Das ist ganz schön eng da drin, aber in den Buden auf dem Christkindlesmarkt ist meist auf ned mehr Platz  :kicher .

(https://abload.de/img/072kioskcpqe1.jpg)
Zwei Halbreliefkiosks ergeben dann einen ganzen.

(https://abload.de/img/073kiosk3ndqoh.jpg)
Da wird kein Verkaufsplatz verschenkt - zum Betreten muß man den Tresen hochklappen.

(https://abload.de/img/074zeitungsproduktiono9owq.jpg)
Die Druckerpresse lief auf Hochtouren und hat verschiedene fränkische Blätter gedruckt. Die wurden dann zu Stapeln oder Fächern geklebt - mit Töchterchens fleißiger Hilfe. Die Zeitungen sind Originale, die ich im Netz gefunden habe.

Und zu guter letzt...
(https://abload.de/img/106vtundschlepptenderinrar.jpg)
...wurden heute die Instandsetzungsarbeiten abgeschlossen. Die Lokführer des Schnweineschnäuzchens waren beide aus ihren Drehhaltern gebrochen (weil ich die Lok dämlicherweise im Liegen transportiert hatte, so daß die Stöße immer quer zur Lastachse kamen  :klonk ; kann ned gutgehen), jetzt drehen beide wieder. Bei der großen Schlepptender war ein Kabelstrang zwischen Lok und Tender aus der Buchse gerutscht, sitzt wieder.
Damit rollen jetzt auf dem Dachboden dreieinhalb Dieselloks (die kleine Grüne wartet noch auf das Großreinemachen der Gleise - sie hat keinen Puffer und bleibt noch zu oft liegen, wenn der Kontakt abreißt), zwei Triebwägen, drei Tender- und zwei Schlepptenderloks. Das ist alles, was ich aktuell digital aufbieten kann. Naja, fast alles...

...eine Dampflok fehlt noch. Ich weiß nur noch nicht genau, welche.  :oops bei ihr steckt der Dekoder im Motorblock und ist von außen nicht zu erkennen. Kann auch sein, daß der Motorblock grad im Bauzug steckt, oder einem Dampfmarietender... ich muß ihn suchen gehen  :huh . Aber davon abgesehen geht da oben jetzt ganz schön was ab, wenn Papa und Tochter ihre Züge rollen lassen  :grinsen .

jj:

P.S:
(nitpicking: please fix the woman's arms in the last pic - sorry, can't help it)
- das verstehe ich nicht. Kannst Du es bitte noch einmal auf Deutsch schreiben?

 8}
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 13, 2017, 07:10:38
I think I understand Tahra, one of the female's has a left arm on the right side, see yellow circle.

(https://s13.postimg.org/eeyj8qofb/Wrong_Arm.jpg)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 13, 2017, 07:12:41
I almost forgot, great idea to make a kiosk.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 07:18:07
I think I understand Tahra,...

Sorry, should have made my point clearer. Knowing she's learning some German I was just teasing her  :-[. You're both right of course. Assembling the figure I swapped arms.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 13, 2017, 07:31:41
Sorry, should have made my point clearer. Knowing she's learning some German I was just teasing her  :-[. You're both right of course. Assembling the figure I swapped arms.

Yes :)

(and thanks Marco_4124 - spared everyone from seeing my horrid german attempt)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 07:35:45
(and thanks Marco_4124 - spared everyone from seeing my horrid german attempt)
Apart from your German beeing far from horrid (blieve me, I'm teaching at school and following German forums, I DO know, what horrid German looks like  :hmm:) hardly anyone would notice IF it was... ::).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 13, 2017, 08:49:29
Lucky, I do know the difference between "telefon(i)eren" and "bellen", which is in Dutch the same, but NOT in German  :lol:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 13, 2017, 09:35:28
Apart from your German beeing far from horrid (blieve me, I'm teaching at school and following German forums, I DO know, what horrid German looks like  :hmm:) hardly anyone would notice IF it was... ::).

Thank you ;)  (I suppose any german or dutch playmofriend would notice... Declinations are EVIL)


Lucky, I do know the difference between "telefon(i)eren" and "bellen", which is in Dutch the same, but NOT in German  :lol:

Ok, without google, isn't "bellen" = "barking"? I always found it odd. My first reaction is to assume it means to ring a BELL.  :P
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 13, 2017, 09:45:54
"Bellen" is in Dutch to ring a bell. Because the first telephone's all had a bell, "bellen" was much more spoken than "telefon(i)eren". But beware, in German "bellen" is barking  :doh:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 10:09:42
 ??? Why should a "Klingel" (engl. bell) "bellen" (engl. bark)? THAT would be strange... 8-) . Apart - talking with an agitated, loud voice can be called "bellen" in German. So technically speaking there ARE Germans whose way of talking at a telephon truely can be called "bellen" in German  ::).

Well, not to make things to easy you also could "läuten" (as it's supposed to be laut/loud) oder "schellen" (a "Schelle" is a bowl shaped bell holding a wee, free ball inside instead of an attached toggle). But of course though another word for bell ist "Glocke" you'd never "glocken" (there's no word like that in German). Everyone knows that...   8}.

jj:

P.S. Does Dutch have declinations?  ???
P.P.S. Doesn't Spanish have declinations and conjugations just like German?  :hmm:
P.P.P.S. You think German declinations are hard? Try the Czeck ones... I gave up after realising there's about 128 different options... :0
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 13, 2017, 10:29:20
"Bellen" is in Dutch to ring a bell. Because the first telephone's all had a bell, "bellen" was much more spoken than "telefon(i)eren". But beware, in German "bellen" is barking  :doh:

In german you can also use rufen to phone someone... right?

Telefonieren is actually close to ours - "telefonar" in portuguese...  same roots, I think. We sometimes make them up in class.. and sometimes we actually get them right!  :P


??? Why should a "Klingel" (engl. bell) "bellen" (engl. bark)? THAT would be strange... 8-) . Apart - talking with an agitated, loud voice can be called "bellen" in German. So technically speaking there ARE Germans whose way of talking at a telephon truely can be called "bellen" in German  ::).

Well.. when I see "bellen", I think bell first.  :-[

In portuguese, "ladrar" (barking) can also be used to people protesting (without effect) agaisnt something.

Well, not to make things to easy you also could "läuten" (as it's supposed to be laut/loud) oder "schellen" (a "Schelle" is a bowl shaped bell holding a wee, free ball inside instead of an attached toggle). But of course though another word for bell ist "Glocke" you'd never "glocken" (there's no word like that in German). Everyone knows that...   8}.

Yes, Glocke (as in the playmoschool).. the other is bell, as in doorbell. Right?  8}

P.S. Does Dutch have declinations?  ???
P.P.S. Doesn't Spanish have declinations and conjugations just like German?  :hmm:
P.P.P.S. You think German declinations are hard? Try the Czeck ones... I gave up after realising there's about 128 different options... :0

Yes, I believe our teacher mentioned that too - a lot more than in german!

As to dutch, no idea. Spanish, like portuguese, I am not sure... But if it does, we don't realize it. I am trying to think of DAT/AKK..  Grammar is not a strong point with me. In any language  :-[

If you have to THINK about them, they are very very hard. Like the word's gender. It's soo stupid. We are the same, but again, in portuguese I just KNOW that a chair/table/spoon/knife is female, or a bench/fork/computer is male. Makes no sense at all. English has the right idea on those  :P

Worse, when "girl" is neutral in german, instead of feminin. How can anyone understand that!?  8}


So as this isn't completely off topic... I hadn't realized you cut up the kiosk before you showed it!  I didn't get them yet. I should get a couple... such nice colors too :love:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 10:49:16
Argh, it's Portuguese with you, sorry! Well, Germans usually don't think about genders and endings either. We just ... äh, know  ::). Ok, most of us do, some fail  8-).

"rufen" only works without any technical support. It's more like "shout" than "call". When using a phone it's "anrufen".

"Mädchen" is easy, as it follows one of the few gender-rules: Any diminution (ending in -chen or -lein) by definition is neutral disregarding the original gender. So just wee-ify anthing and be happy with "das" (especially as German - other than some German accents - doesn't differ in singular or plural either as soon as a word is diminured) :lol:. Another very safe rule ist "-keit", "-heit" and "-ung" always beeing female (why ever).

Final cheat for starters: just add "-Dings da" (thingy) to any noun and again it's neuter: "der Hund" aber "das Hunde-Dings da", "die Katze" = "das Katzen-Dings da".  ;). German IS easy...  :).

So as this isn't completely off topic... I hadn't realized you cut up the kiosk before you showed it!  I didn't get them yet. I should get a couple... such nice colors too :love:
Well I got that cue and try to deliver some new pics on topic  :).

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 13, 2017, 12:23:46
Back to railways ???  ;)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 13, 2017, 13:04:30
Argh, it's Portuguese with you, sorry! Well, Germans usually don't think about genders and endings either. We just ... äh, know  ::). Ok, most of us do, some fail  8-).

Right!  It's a mess when you have to think about it..


"rufen" only works without any technical support. It's more like "shout" than "call". When using a phone it's "anrufen".

 :-[ I knew it sounded off somehow.. but didn't check  ::)

"Mädchen" is easy, as it follows one of the few gender-rules:

I know those rules (well, kinda).. but it makes no sense AT ALL that "girl" is not feminin. A chair/table/car/whatever... I suppose one makes as much sense as the other - we don't have a neutral.

Final cheat for starters: just add "-Dings da" (thingy) to any noun and again it's neuter: "der Hund" aber "das Hunde-Dings da", "die Katze" = "das Katzen-Dings da".  ;). German IS easy...  :).

That is something else. Just as I refuse to refer to a cat as "it" in english, I can't refer to a male cat as "sie" in german. Can't. Won't. And certainly not a "thingy" either!

Back to railways ???  ;)

 :-[  I suppose.  :P

I love the pics (and making-ofs in general!  :love: ), but I don't have the knowledge to understand any of the "technical" parts. I only have a couple of RC trains and some track, along with a western loco that I have no idea if it works - and never will.

I am jealous of such a nice space to make a permanent display..


Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 14:30:18
I am jealous of such a nice space to make a permanent display..
...sagt die, die uns hier mit ihrem Playmobil-Zimmer-Prozess die Tränen in die Augen treibt  8-).

Back to railways ???  ;)
Wenn's unbedingt sein muß...  :lol:

Tender engine reversing into its siding - die Schlepptenderlok setzt gerade in ihr Abstellgleis zurück.
(https://abload.de/img/107schlepptenderu7uao.jpg)

Left a scratchbuilt tender engine with coaches; right an LGB Nuremberg-jubilee-train.
(https://abload.de/img/108jubelzugundlangepesquwi.jpg)
Links eine Eigenbauschlepptenderlok mit langen Personenwaggons; rechts der LGB-Nürnberg-Jubiläums-Zug.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 13, 2017, 14:31:46
I love the pics (and making-ofs in general!  :love: ), but I don't have the knowledge to understand any of the "technical" parts. I only have a couple of RC trains and some track, along with a western loco that I have no idea if it works - and never will.
Why so sure it never will?

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on July 13, 2017, 21:19:21
Your layout is looking great, Stefan; lots of play hours to come.

In English, "bark" can be used about speaking as in "The sergeant-major barked out an order and the soldiers obeyed immediately."
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 14, 2017, 07:49:27
..sagt die, die uns hier mit ihrem Playmobil-Zimmer-Prozess die Tränen in die Augen treibt  8-).

Yes, but I don't have that kind of space :(

right an LGB Nuremberg-jubilee-train.

Looks amazing.. but klickys don't fit there, right?


Why so sure it never will?

Because it is the only "electric" train thingy we have, and no plans for others...

In English, "bark" can be used about speaking as in "The sergeant-major barked out an order and the soldiers obeyed immediately."

Yes, though in a different way than portuguese.. I don't think our officers "bark" orders...
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 14, 2017, 08:08:08
Doch, man kann schon Klickys in die LGB-Waggons und Loks setzen. Geht. Klickies would fit inside LGB engines and coaches.

jj:

P.S. Der Nürnberg-Jubiläumszug ist von LGB. Das paßt nur bedingt zu Playmobil, ebenso wie die Pikoloks. Hauptunterschied zwischen Playmobil und LGB ist, daß nahezu alle LGB-Modelle in echt Schmalspurbahnen sind. Das heißt, die Gleise liegen enger beieinander als bei der Regelspurbahn. In Deutschland sind die Harzer Schmalspurbahnen und der Rasende Roland auf Rügen die bekanntesten Vertreter, in der Schweiz der Glacierexpreß. Typisches Kennzeichen der Schmalspurbahnen ist der Mittelpuffer. Playmobil hat hingegen immer Regelspurmodelle angedeutet, Doppelpuffer verwendet und ist natürlich von der ganze Machart her ein wenig runder und knubbeliger als die doch oft sehr filigrane LGB. Der Maßstab von 1:22,5 ist aber in etwas derselbe wie Playmobil.

The Nuremberg-Jubilee-Train ist made by LGB and therefore not entirely matching Playmobil. Mainly that's for LGB used to produce ligth railway* stuff only, that's coaches, trucks and engines running on Harzer Schmalspurbahnen, the Rasender Roland on the island of Rügen or Swiss Glacier Express. Though these are "proper" trains their rail distance is smaller than a regular track's one. Most significant are central buffers. Playmobil however always used double buffers and its design of course is more tubby than the often quite detailed LGB Models. None the less it's roughly Playmo-scale 1:22,5.

* That's quite a lot of railway special vocabulary - Gordon feel free to correct wrong terms if you please  :-[.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 14, 2017, 08:09:55
Because it is the only "electric" train thingy we have, and no plans for others...
Keine Schienen und Trafo? Die gibt's inzwischen recht preiswert, das lohnt sich schon. No tracks or trafo? They're easy to be acquired and worth it.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 14, 2017, 09:09:55
Klickies would fit inside LGB engines and coaches.

Considering the .. special proportions of the klickys, if things aren't made for them, usually it doesn't work too well if they are supposed to sit in them...

* That's quite a lot of railway special vocabulary - Gordon feel free to correct wrong terms if you please  :-[.

 8}

No tracks or trafo? They're easy to be acquired and worth it.

Nothing else. Just that set, the western loco, used (and has seen better days). And since we have a bunch (well, not much, in reality, given the huge scale) of the RC track and a couple of locos (or whatever the name is  :-[ ) ... we will stick with it.

Also, we don't really go much for blinky winkies (or moving stuff) anyways.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 14, 2017, 10:04:49
Considering the .. special proportions of the klickys, if things aren't made for them, usually it doesn't work too well if they are supposed to sit in them...

No comments, just watch  :brownhair:

(https://s21.postimg.org/x7n9f744n/Rijdag_2017_07_09_Caboose_DSCN0495.jpg)

(https://s11.postimg.org/duewmkjir/2016_07_26_Passenger_on_Stainz_2_DSCN0107.jpg)

(https://s13.postimg.org/b209htdrr/Rijdag_2016_12_07_opknappen_verlichting_caboose.jpg)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: playmofire on July 14, 2017, 10:29:58
But with some LGB coaches the klickies have their feet on the seat opposite, something my granny told I should never do!
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 14, 2017, 12:50:27
No comments, just watch  :brownhair:

Ah, that's nice - is it made for that figure? Seems like an obvious klicky-wanna-be.. If things are made for "human proportions"..

But with some LGB coaches the klickies have their feet on the seat opposite, something my granny told I should never do!

:lmao:  Quite right!
(happens all the time, unfortunately)
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Marco_4124 on July 14, 2017, 15:12:37
Sorry, the first figure is from Igráček. I have some of these too.
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 17, 2017, 16:45:58
Ich finde, es ist Geschmackssache, ob die Klickys dazu passen. Der Lokführer hatte in der Eile keine Mütze zur Hand, aber er macht sich meiner Meinung nach ganz gut auf seinem Posten.
(https://abload.de/img/114figureninderlok37jiz.jpg)

Auch die Mutter mit Kind im Waggon schaut von außen ganz ordentlich aus.
(https://abload.de/img/115figurenimwaggondpkhc.jpg)

Eine Innenaufnahmen offenbart aber den für Klickys deutlich zu geringen Fußraum. In manchen Zügen (wie z.B. dem VT 98 von Piko) gibt's gar keinen Platz für die Füße, so daß nur Oberkörper zum Einsatz kommen können.
(https://abload.de/img/116figurenimwaggonzxkuk.jpg)

Yesterday I was able to take some pics. Even though he forgot to take on his cap the driver looks quite good at his post I daresay. So do ma and lass seen through the window. A close view inside whereas reveals the problem: No place to place ones feet. Even more tricky: Some coaches (to be more peciesely it's Pikos VT98 railbus) don't even provide any place at all so only torsos can be seated here.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on July 18, 2017, 22:01:23
Und nochmal ein paar Eindrücke von neben (oder besser oberhalb) der Strecke / some impressions besides (or to be more precisely beyond) the tracks:

Auf dem Kappelberg hat sich inzwischen ein wenig was getan.
(http://abload.de/img/054kappelberg3jka1.jpg)
Kappelberg ("chapel hill") has been furnished.

Der  Photograph hat ein nettes Motiv gefunden.
(http://abload.de/img/056kappelberg82js2.jpg)
Our photographer has found himself a nice scene.

Der Falkner und seine Tiere genießen die Natur auf dem Hügel.
(http://abload.de/img/057kappelberg-falknerkjj3z.jpg)
A falconer an his birds of prey also enjoy the beautiful nature.

Zur optischen Abrundung habe ich eine erste Wolkentapete angebracht.
(http://abload.de/img/058kappelbergwolkeny6sc4.jpg)
Some clouds as a background scenery.

jj:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 19, 2017, 07:30:52
Very nice :)

What's the guy doing in his jammies by the tree?
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Tiermann on July 19, 2017, 17:27:22
There's a sheep there, maybe he went outside to count sheep since he couldn't sleep?
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: tahra on July 19, 2017, 17:59:52
There's a sheep there, maybe he went outside to count sheep since he couldn't sleep?

:lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Dachbodenbahn - Attic Railways
Post by: Junker Jörg on October 26, 2017, 09:37:01
So in der Nahaufnahme sah der Kappelberg ja ganz gut aus, aber der Gesamteindruck vermochte nicht zu überzeugen, daher...
(http://abload.de/img/075kappelberg-umbauomyw3.jpg)
Seen just in detail Chapel Hill looked quite good, but in total it wasn't really convincing. So it had to go.

jj: