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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: schluss on October 19, 2011, 18:22:53
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Hi Folks,
here´s my todays story:
Today I wanted to place an order for a member of this board at germans DS. The first order was lost somewhere in the system...
After sending the order to the DS, I received the following mail:
Sehr geehrter Herr XYZ,
vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht.
Da Sie bereits in der Vergangenheit regelmäßig unsere Produkte und Ersatzteile
in höheren Stückzahlen erhalten haben, gehen wir davon aus, dass Sie Sammler
unserer
Spielwaren sind.
Bitte senden Sie uns als Dateianhang einige Bilder Ihrer Sammlung zu, wir
werden diese dann mit einem Sammlerhinweis in Ihrem Kundenkonto hinterlegen.
Vielen Dank.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
PLAYMOBIL-Service-Team
Translation:
Dear Mr. XYZ,
thnak you for your mail.
Due to the fact that you have received additional sets and spare parts on a regular base in the past, we assume that you are a collector of our toys.
So please send us a couple of pictures from your collection to prove that collector status. These pictures and a hint "collector" will be added to your customer database.
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards
Playmobil Service - team
I had heard on a german boards that this sometimes happens to persons which are buying on a regular base or which are buying a huge amount of spare parts.
To fulfill their requests I send them the following pics. These are showing only a small part of our collection.
Let´s see what´s happening next....
Regards
schluss
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....These are showing only a small part of our collection.....
small part :o....How large is your collection?
But I'm happy, because I'm not the only one who have tons of Playmobil, my wife thinks that I'm crazy, but not my kids :lol:
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Gladly, your Small part of the collection is already a half toystore's playmobil inventory.
If that is not proof enough.
Why do they want to know this? To check wether you do not make money out of ordering parts?
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OMG that was a nice response from the German DS. Would you mind forwarding them pics of mine? :lol: ;D
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There's real concern at Playmobil headquarters about resellers on eBay and elsewhere. I don't know any details about what all is behind their concern. Fortunately the collecting community and Playmobil have come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.
SO far I have only heard of this happening with German buyers. Are people from other countries being asked the question also?
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I was never asked anything of that sort from playmobil but its good to know. Thank you Rainer! Good thing I have lots of pics to send them if they ask ;D
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A few years back the lady in charge of DS Belgium asked me-very polite and friendly!-what I did with all the parts and figures I ordered.I told her I used them for dioramas and such, and I've never been asked any questions since.
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My wife is crazy too.....that´s really an advantage.
She is collecting pirates....
small part :o....How large is your collection?
But I'm happy, because I'm not the only one who have tons of Playmobil, my wife thinks that I'm crazy, but not my kids :lol:
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I hope that they are happy with my collection....
Lots of stuff like a whole medieval village including several castles is wrapped up in huge moving boxes.
There's real concern at Playmobil headquarters about resellers on eBay and elsewhere. I don't know any details about what all is behind their concern. Fortunately the collecting community and Playmobil have come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.
SO far I have only heard of this happening with German buyers. Are people from other countries being asked the question also?
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There's real concern at Playmobil headquarters about resellers on eBay and elsewhere. I don't know any details about what all is behind their concern. Fortunately the collecting community and Playmobil have come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.
SO far I have only heard of this happening with German buyers. Are people from other countries being asked the question also?
Well, lately I'm mostly ignored. I don't know if they don't get the emails, or are really ignoring me.. Which reminds me. Gonna resend WITHOUT the attachment this time - but THEY asked for the list as an excel file. I REALLY don't get it.
I don't get it. First, what do the pics prove? Could be anyone's. Could be full of stuff to sell. Whatever.
Secondly, and more important... if they worry so much about resellers, SELL THE STUFF THEMSELVES. DUH. But no, they don't like money. They prefer foreign buyers to pay a lot more (not to mention the trouble and sometimes impossibility of getting the sets - unless we find a helpful german member) to someone else than having them give THEM money. Go figure.
Oh, and third... WHY IN HADES SHOULD THEY CARE. If I buy something from them, it's MINE. To do as I please.
It's all a freakin mystery to me :(
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I find the wole question etc very strange and not appropriate if you ask me. i wonder if a link to a youtube account would suffice or a reference letter from say playmobil greece for me ... ??? ??? ???
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Don't worry George. They know who you are ;)
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Quite interesting. Strange that they are so concerned over it, but I'm glad they are willing to make an exception for us collectors. It's quite reasonable of them to accept a few pics to prove our status.
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Awesome pics, schluss!
I wish that PM Canada would send me an e-mail like that! ;)
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I would prefer to get Playmo....not mails asking for pics.
We are paying for that stuff.....
They should sell it all across the world and ebay would not see such crazy prices....
Awesome pics, schluss!
I wish that PM Canada would send me an e-mail like that! ;)
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small part :o....How large is your collection?
But I'm happy, because I'm not the only one who have tons of Playmobil, my wife thinks that I'm crazy, but not my kids :lol:
Same thoughts here my friend!!! :lol:
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I was never asked anything of that sort from playmobil but its good to know. Thank you Rainer! Good thing I have lots of pics to send them if they ask ;D
Panos, Playmobil Hellas has confirmed at Geobra that we are collectors!!Especialy after our first enormous orders.
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Well, lately I'm mostly ignored. I don't know if they don't get the emails, or are really ignoring me.. Which reminds me. Gonna resend WITHOUT the attachment this time - but THEY asked for the list as an excel file. I REALLY don't get it.
I don't get it. First, what do the pics prove? Could be anyone's. Could be full of stuff to sell. Whatever.
Secondly, and more important... if they worry so much about resellers, SELL THE STUFF THEMSELVES. DUH. But no, they don't like money. They prefer foreign buyers to pay a lot more (not to mention the trouble and sometimes impossibility of getting the sets - unless we find a helpful german member) to someone else than having them give THEM money. Go figure.
Oh, and third... WHY IN HADES SHOULD THEY CARE. If I buy something from them, it's MINE. To do as I please.
It's all a freakin mystery to me :(
Same thoughts here.After all why to know if we are collectors? they do not care about collectors at all !!!
Sometimes i wish my collection was ugly squared LEGO pieces!!!
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I would prefer to get Playmo....not mails asking for pics.
We are paying for that stuff.....
They should sell it all across the world and ebay would not see such crazy prices....
Rainer i second that!!!
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Same thoughts here.After all why to know if we are collectors? they do not care about collectorsat all !!!
Sometimes i wish my collection would be LEGO!!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I dont share your view at all angelo. Remember the support etc etc we have had from Playmobil Greece and the relationship we have built the past 2 years . I think its very unfair to say this Sir and i would advice to retract your statement as i think can damage our excellent relatioship with playmobil greece, something on a personal level i like to think I have tried hard to built in the past 3 years and on many occasions to achieve this i bought many sets and items not from ebay but from playmolil greece and I am proud to say i have made some contribution to get the DS orders . I think we should be all thnakfull for the relatioship and support we have from Playmobil Greece Sir !!!!!!
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Exactly...
IF they cared about the secondary market, they could replace it. They don't give a darn about it, or customers out or Germany.
It makes me very very sad. I LOVE playmobil. Really. But it's sad that they treat us like that, and are SO FREAKIN clueless. And that they don't like money.
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There's real concern at Playmobil headquarters about resellers on eBay and elsewhere. I don't know any details about what all is behind their concern. Fortunately the collecting community and Playmobil have come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.
SO far I have only heard of this happening with German buyers. Are people from other countries being asked the question also?
Funnily enough, yes. Yesterday I contacted PM Malta and they said they would be interested in learning more about my collecting.
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It's hard to know the reason for which they sent this email.
Maybe they would like to know the reason for which some people buy a lot of Playmobil. Perhaps, they want to have a knowledge of the number of Playmobil collectors. For them, if you buy a lot, it certainely means that you are a collector. But they want to have a proove to indicate in their database the new status of official "COLLECTOR" ... I doubt that they wil give a discount to the collector.....In the mail sent you can read "These pictures and a hint "collector" will be added to your customer database."
In France, store is not allowed to refuse to sell something, what ever the quantity is. For example, if i want to buy 1000 playmobil soldier at Playmobil France, they will have to sell them, they can ask why! But they have to sell them, except if they are out of stock....even in that case they have to provie you with similar or more expensive item...as long as it is not written "limited quantity per order" it means that you buy the quantity you want.
The problem they can have with "huge" quantity of order, is the shipping cost. In France it's something like 6€....So if you order 50kg of Playmobil it will cost them more than 6€....so they lost money......
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The problem they can have with "huge" quantity of order, is the shipping cost. In France it's something like 6€....So if you order 50kg of Playmobil it will cost them more than 6€....so they lost money......
Well, that probably means that in the gazillion smaller orders they MAKE money... They don't set the shipping costs to lose money... They must have contracts with those companies.
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The problem they can have with "huge" quantity of order, is the shipping cost. In France it's something like 6€....So if you order 50kg of Playmobil it will cost them more than 6€....so they lost money......
Whenever we buy stuff from playmobil hellas we have to pay postage cost for up to 50 euros worth of items. if the total cost of the items is more than 50 then postage is free. for our ds orders that are placed in playmobil hellas but procesed by, payed to, and send from germany, we have to pay the shipping cost which s usually around 17 euros. not to mention we alos have to pay any bank fee that is 35 euros... But as angelo says, playmobil hellas has vouched to germany for us greek collectors. I think its harsh to say, at least for playmobil hellas, that they do not care for collectors. We worked really hard to achieve a proper ds service and we need to be thankful for that. Yes on their behalf, there should be no limitations to our orders but we can't have it all. Its a big step that playmobil hellas has recognised us as collectors and helps us even in this way.
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Maybe they would like to know the reason for which some people buy a lot of Playmobil. Perhaps, they want to have a knowledge of the number of Playmobil collectors. For them, if you buy a lot, it certainely means that you are a collector. But they want to have a proove to indicate in their database the new status of official "COLLECTOR" ... I doubt that they wil give a discount to the collector.....In the mail sent you can read "These pictures and a hint "collector" will be added to your customer database."
Just for clarification: My last order at german DS was in July 2011 and it was below 100,-€.....Is this a huge buy?
The one before in May/June, same amount.....
I would not name such orders huge orders. I know collectors which are buying for 200,-and more Euros each time....
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Well, I think considering this service is mostly set up for replacing the occasssional damaged part recieved in a set, geobra would consider even a $50 order to be "huge."
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One windmill is 14,99€, one watertower 19,99€, means two parts are 35,00 €
one barrel is 3,99.....
My orders mostly containing additional sets , spare parts are the smallest amount on the bill.....
Well, I think considering this service is mostly set up for replacing the occasssional damaged part recieved in a set, geobra would consider even a $50 order to be "huge."
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Just for clarification: My last order at german DS was in July 2011 and it was below 100,-€.....Is this a huge buy?
The one before in May/June, same amount.....
I would not name such orders huge orders. I know collectors which are buying for 200,-and more Euros each time....
these are not huge orders ... I wonder why would they react to this number like that when they received tons more orders from others :toot:
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Hi,
I think it would be a good idea to write Playmobil a mail and ask for the reason and the impact being a collector or having the remark "Collector" in their customer database.
I will keep you informed.
Regards
schluss
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these are not huge orders ... I wonder why would they react to this number like that when they received tons more orders from others :toot:
no idea ... though I know a guy who spent 900 euros in just one order... go figure! 8-)
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I think it would be a good idea to write Playmobil a mail and ask for the reason and the impact being a collector or having the remark "Collector" in their customer database.
I will keep you informed.
I'd be interested to learn what they reply :yup:
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no idea ... though I know a guy who spent 900 euros in just one order... go figure! 8-)
Would this guy be anyone we know? :P
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I'd be interested to learn what they reply :yup:
Me too..
Would this guy be anyone we know? :P
:hmm:
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Would this guy be anyone we know? :P
:yup:
:toot:
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;D
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One windmill is 14,99€, one watertower 19,99€, means two parts are 35,00 €
one barrel is 3,99.....
My orders mostly containing additional sets , spare parts are the smallest amount on the bill.....
That is interesting. In the US we can only order individual spare parts in one order and any DS bag sets and boxed sets in seperate orders, never combined.
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No questions asked here sofar, but I do write on my DS-order-forms, when making parts-orders of several pages or big quantities of a specific part, that I'm a collector and that the parts are for private use and not for re-sale. (actually I do that since I read on KW about questions being asked to German collectors).
I quite often call DS-Belgium to ask if parts are still available (and to ask about prices until recently * ), and I've talked a bit about collecting, the forums and the planned PCC with the nice lady responsible for processing the parts-orders.... I've sent her some pics of the Unicorn and she and her colleages were stunned! She told me she knows Playmofriends and she visits the forum now and then, and she also uses Playmo-DB to search for information to help out customers! :)
(*): Since recently they do have some stricter rules for ordering parts though:
1) With every part(s)-order, their official order-form must be included and signed. They email you this order-form to print out. You can still add (an) additional excel-page(s) for larger orders, but the form must be included in every part(s)-order.
2) Price-questions are no longer answered by phone, only by email or letter.
(though that could be temporarily imo because of the busy times they have ... Or maybe I called them too often! ;D )
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In Germany both orders can be combined, but most spare parts are not listed in the online spare part section , so you have to write all the things you would like to purchase in one list and send it to Playmobil.
That is interesting. In the US we can only order individual spare parts in one order and any DS bag sets and boxed sets in seperate orders, never combined.
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I expect that this is not limited to one person.....
no idea ... though I know a guy who spent 900 euros in just one order... go figure! 8-)
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I have spent over $900 on a single order before, and not just once or twice either ;D... then they added that $500 limit last year :'( (never on a spare parts order though always on sets through the DS)
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This limit is made only to generate more user accounts in their database...... the easiest way to bypass this stupid limitation....
I have spent over $900 on a single order before, and not just once or twice either ;D... then they added that $500 limit last year :'( (never on a spare parts order though always on sets through the DS)
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Wow, I can't imagine spending $900 on playmobil all at once! Not that I don't have that much and much more on my wishlist, I just can't imagine being able to afford it!
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First answer received today:
Thanks for the pics of your collection, we added them to your customer account details.
Your order has been forwarded for processing, we will deliver shortly.
No answers on my further questions......still hope to receive more.....
Hi,
I think it would be a good idea to write Playmobil a mail and ask for the reason and the impact being a collector or having the remark "Collector" in their customer database.
I will keep you informed.
Regards
schluss
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How would they even know the pictures you submit are yours?
Yes there are ways to look at picture info from cameras but that can be gotten around.
And whose to say pics that show lots of Playmobil aren't of stuff to resell? Unless it's in display cases.
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Wow, I can't imagine spending $900 on playmobil all at once! Not that I don't have that much and much more on my wishlist, I just can't imagine being able to afford it!
To be fair I hadn't bought any for several years... out of the game... and since those large orders I haven't ordered more than $150 a pop... and since they reduced free shipping to $50... that is the new $150. :) so it was only a few REALLY BIG orders... that and my wife had a TON of sets she wanted at the same time... :lol: This is also the reason I have spent less since joining here... because I spent a LOT catching up just before I joined ;)
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If someone wants to fool, he will always find a way.
In the first step I send them a link to a thread here which shows some of my train spare parts...
No clue how they prove the pictures.....
How would they even know the pictures you submit are yours?
Yes there are ways to look at picture info from cameras but that can be gotten around.
And whose to say pics that show lots of Playmobil aren't of stuff to resell? Unless it's in display cases.
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How would they even know the pictures you submit are yours?
Yes there are ways to look at picture info from cameras but that can be gotten around.
And whose to say pics that show lots of Playmobil aren't of stuff to resell? Unless it's in display cases.
That's what I first said. And display cases prove nothing. Can be to sell too. Can be someone esle's.
And WHY IN HADES DO THEY CARE?
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There are ways to deceive anyone. It's my opinion if you are willing to take the time to send pictures of your collection, to them you must be legit. If it means I get what I need for my projects, I don't mind doing what they ask to get it.
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Show one wall of your playmoden, and they'll believe you, BB!
I was thinking that, too, that you could always just be sending pics you found on the internet, so what does it really prove? ???
But anyway, yeah, I would be HAPPY to show pics of my zoo diorama. I think they'll decide I qualify, too. ;)
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I really must agree that this whole thing stinks. Why would a company in the business of selling toys really need to care who buys and how much. Supply and demand theory would slow down the resellers on ebay. Let them buy 1000 guns every week, all Geobra has to do is mold more plastic to keep up with demand. Then when the Ebay seller has 100,000 guns and collectors are still buying from Geobra they will be stuck with them all or have to sell at a loss. I guess they could keep them for 10 years and sell them for double but then this would also suit the collectors community as there would be a new resource for old parts.
Geobra needs to just worry about how to keep up with demand not how to control it.
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Geobra needs to just worry about how to keep up with demand not how to control it.
Exactly.
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This is so true, but I'm afraid Geobra is not on the same page with collectors yet. We have all stated that we want discontinued parts reinstated, & that we want better availability around the world, but it seems we are not being heard. I know that what PM has done for years is a rare service to collectors, but it can be a money making service if it is done correctly. Why a company wouldn't want to use this as a profit generating service, especially when it has been proven to have such great potential & already set up, is beyond me :-\.
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I would prefer to get Playmo....not mails asking for pics.
We are paying for that stuff.....
They should sell it all across the world and ebay would not see such crazy prices....
:yup: :yup: :yup: :yup: very correct , if it was for free ok but if someone pays $+ it's not appropriate to ask questions pictures etc....
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For them, if you buy a lot, it certainely means that you are a collector. But they want to have a proove to indicate in their database the new status of official "COLLECTOR" ...
this is not true ... most of us are vintage playmobil collectors ,why should we buy from them to be named "COLLECTORS"" their new products are garbage not worth the money they ask for them ,and PLAYMOBIL is nothing like it used to be , talking for myself i use only ebay-paypal that's my playmobil shop ,only occasionaly i buy from stores ,or ds ,because there is nothing intresting to buy from them now :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
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I wonder if this questioning of collector's proof is the beginning of them realizing there are actual collectors (not just children) and a beginning for them to start to push the Collectors Club (and/or make membership a requirement to order large amounts of parts).
Mind you, Playmobil could open it's own eBay front shop and sell spares and make lots of money and drive the scalpers and gougers out of business...
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Rasputin, I think, you are right!
There's real concern at Playmobil headquarters about resellers on eBay and elsewhere. I don't know any details about what all is behind their concern. Fortunately the collecting community and Playmobil have come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.
No, I think not. This solution does NOT make EVERYONE happy!
If you are a seller of used Playmobil (& not of DS articles!) & also a collector, you can't get DS products from Playmobil (for yourself or for your kids, and your wife also do not get them!)!
With this solution, most of the DS product resellers continue selling many, many DS articles!! Look at Ebay.
And collectors (which are also sellers of used Playmobil), which don't sell DS products, can't buy DS products any more.
That's no good solution. I need the DS products for our garden train, but I don't get them.
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There's just no way Playmobil can keep all parts available. There isn't storage space enough. Heather lists over 24 thousand parts in her database, and that's nowhere near all of them. So ideally we would like them to rotate through the most popular ones every few years so prices in the secondary market dont get too out of hand.
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There's just no way Playmobil can keep all parts available. There isn't storage space enough. Heather lists over 24 thousand parts in her database, and that's nowhere near all of them. So ideally we would like them to rotate through the most popular ones every few years so prices in the secondary market dont get too out of hand.
WE are talking about tiny pieces of plastic not whole airplanes. 24 thousand individual parts that sell like hot cakes sounds like a good side business. Not that they all sell great but it does not take long to figure out which ones do, or do they not have a computer data base yet ::) Yes, they can not keep them all in production or even on hand but why not sell the ones they do have in the amounts we want?
For some reason I get the sneaky suspicion that Geobra might actually like all this turmoil. If they created an artificially limited supply then collectors and normal customers would have to buy big sets to get the parts they wanted. If we could all just go and buy all the stuff we wanted one at a time in parts orders why would we buy boxed sets? The profit margins on the boxed sets has to be much greater than selling custom parts orders with lots of staff hours assembling them for individuals. 100 guns times 10¢ is still only $10 but if you had to have 100 guns and you had to buy the smallest boxed set, a special, for $3 that is $300. Now comes the tricky part seeing as some will want to sell off all those extra bits and the Klickies. No one wants 100 of the same klicky so people customize them to attract buyers. 8}
this is not true ... most of us are vintage playmobil collectors, why should we buy from them to be named "COLLECTORS"" their new products are garbage not worth the money they ask for them ,and PLAYMOBIL is nothing like it used to be , talking for myself i use only ebay-paypal that's my playmobil shop ,only occasionally i buy from stores ,or ds ,because there is nothing interesting to buy from them now :no:
Geobra does not have "Vintage" parts for sale, only new items or re-releases so I guess this has nothing to do with you then ;) and any time you get some "garbage" just let me know and I will gladly send postage funds, just doing my part to put less stress on New York garbage barges that end up in our oceans ;D
PS: nothing is like it used to be one second ago, the only thing that stays the same is constant change. Even all those MIB sets are not the same when they were brand new. All that shelf wear etc......... :lol:
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Alex, I do not believe it is accurate to say that most of us are vintage collectors. There are a few of us who are, but most of us are still buying current stuff too. Most of us do NOT think that all the new stuff is garbage. :hmm:
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Alex, I do not believe it is accurate to say that most of us are vintage collectors. There are a few of us who are, but most of us are still buying current stuff too. Most of us do NOT think that all the new stuff is garbage. :hmm:
hmmm.... you think? shall we make a poll? :hmm: :hmm:
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their new products are garbage not worth the money they ask for them ,and PLAYMOBIL is nothing like it used to be ,
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
and i thought i was hardcore ..... obviously not... my playmo soul exuberates 0)
;D
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I dont share your view at all angelo. Remember the support etc etc we have had from Playmobil Greece and the relationship we have built the past 2 years . I think its very unfair to say this Sir and i would advice to retract your statement as i think can damage our excellent relatioship with playmobil greece, something on a personal level i like to think I have tried hard to built in the past 3 years and on many occasions to achieve this i bought many sets and items not from ebay but from playmolil greece and I am proud to say i have made some contribution to get the DS orders . I think we should be all thnakfull for the relatioship and support we have from Playmobil Greece Sir !!!!!!
George it is clear that you misjudge my words.On the other hand if i post here the letter from lego direct service that i have received last week yeah the guys are PRO with the full meaning.
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On the other hand if i post here the letter from lego direct service that i have received last week yeah the guys are PRO with the full meaning.
i think you should post so we all know what you mean and refer to sir
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I for one like the new modern sets especially the rescue, firefighting, police, hospital, & etc. themes. Compared to the very early small ladder trucks like the reissued 7786 that are considered vintage, I much rather have the new style fire trucks with more life like accessories.
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Rasputin, I think, you are right!
No, I think not. This solution does NOT make EVERYONE happy!
If you are a seller of used Playmobil (& not of DS articles!) & also a collector, you can't get DS products from Playmobil (for yourself or for your kids, and your wife also do not get them!)!
With this solution, most of the DS product resellers continue selling many, many DS articles!! Look at Ebay.
And collectors (which are also sellers of used Playmobil), which don't sell DS products, can't buy DS products any more.
That's no good solution. I need the DS products for our garden train, but I don't get them.
I'm know at Playmobil-Belgium (that one covers The Netherlands and Luxembourg too) as a collector (I mentioned it on my DS parts-orders and I've send a few pics - not really to prove anything since they never asked for it, but mostly because some of the people processing the orders do wonder what collectors do with all the stuff). Not sure if Playmobil Belgium (now aka Playmobil Northern Europe) passes this info on to Geobra in Zirndorf...
I haven't sold any Playmobil-part, klicky or whatsoever on ebay ever.
But I do have 2 big boxes of Playmo that I can't use, like sets I bought over the last 10 years just for some items they included which I needed for my projects/collection. Suppose I sort those boxes out and decide to sell everything I cannot use on ebay (thus things I did not order as parts through DS, but that came from "regular catalogue"-sets in the shops or from the Playmobil-website) ...
If Geobra sees I sell these parts I have no use for on ebay, so then I will be prohibited to buy DS-add-on sets or place DS-partsorders?! :o :(o): And I have many pirates' ships.... If I offer 1 for sale on ebay, I then won't get access to DS anymore?? 8}
I think in that case the collectors worldwide still able to order from DS will be counted on a few hands...
I hope that is not their intention, is it? ::)
Regarding proof of one's collection-pics sent to Playmobil are genuine or not:
They do read on the forums, and so they can check out if the pics you sent them have ever been posted by you on a Playmobil-fanforum, or if you have a website yourself where you show your collection and/or customs.
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Regarding Geobra curiosity about our collection: accourding to playmobil hellas officials up until now it was company policy not to have any relationship with collectors. Not even visiting forums... this last part sounded really strange to me. No that things have change, most collectors have come in contact with regional departments and a PCC is on the way, Geobra is curious to learn how we are using their toys. Nothing bad about that. But, like Hadoque, if i had the opportunity to sell any playmobil on ebay, I'd be at ease nowing Geobra wont mind.
As for todays playmobil, they are very sophsticated, and like Bill I love all these new new sets. I dont care if they look to fantasy or real life-like, all modern day playmobil are awesome, even the ones I do not buy for my collection. I think Playmobil has progressed in a great stage!!!
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Regarding Geobra creating "Collector-files" with pics or other info you sent or will send them:
That sounds a bit strange and perhaps uncomfortable to me.
If they keep f.e. the pics because they like them, and/or to possibly use them for marketing reasons like promoting the future PCC to the "common public", no problemo. And if just the person(s) processing DS-parts-orders have such a file to see if someone ordering in large amounts is a true collector, that's fine by me as well.
But once they would start to use these files/informations to observe your personal life, like to check out what you sell on ebay (cars, clothes, hairpaint, whatsoever, or perhaps... 2nd-hand Playmo?! :omg:) or to send private detectives to check if you go to sales on fleamarkets :lol:, I wouldn't feel too happpy about that.
"Big Brother" is my "Private Ennemy N° 1". ;)
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If they want to empty their warehouses, let EVERYONE buy from them... Not just the german buyers. I mean, they CAN copy a foreign address to a box, right? (There was a moron in the US who couldn't. UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE.)
Problem solved. They increase their sales by whatever, meaning more money, people all over the world are happy they can get the stuff, and , IF they gave a darn, put some scalpers out of business.
Come on... it's NOT rocket science... I REALLY don't get it.
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I for one like the new modern sets especially the rescue, firefighting & police hospital, & etc. themes. Compared to the very early small ladder trucks like the reissued 7786 that are considered vintage, I much rather have the new style fire trucks with more life like accessories.
I fully agree and I think Alex you are rather very wrong there pal :wave:. I dont collect modern playmobil but they have come a very long way from the 70s and its like comparing the first VW Golf GTi with the latest VW Golf GTi to be honest ( no specific reason for the choice of the GOlf, i think its a lovely car i owned a mk4 GTi once and i think its a great all rounder sports car ) , the amount of realism and detailing is superb and what amazes is how the sets keep up with the latest technology also ( LCD TV, computer screens , i hope see an imac soon also .. :lol: :lol: :lol:) , the cars, vehicles , boats , airplanes are superb. i still have the old green biplane , god it pales in comparison to the big playmo jets of day that even have stewardesses ( :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :lol: ) and food trolleys etc . I really like modern but prefer to buy other themes and thats a matter of choice that may as well alter in the future ... What i think is a same is that the same evolution didnt happen with medieval which one could say is my area of specialty and focus i suppose . There i think its all gone downhill from the late 70s where non battle sets flourished and one could create cities and villages and the peak of battle only sets of the mid 90s , the current sets i dont like at all, they have very few accessories , totally unrealistic , basically a complete different story from the modern sets that have flourished . and yes i am very tempted to buy modern and i am sure the day i will go berseck and buy a couple of modern themes entirely is not that far , i really like these fire engines and police !!!! :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
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accourding to playmobil hellas officials up until now it was company policy not to have any relationship with collectors. Not even visiting forums...
really?? :o :o :o why? .... the main problem as i have understood is that they are afraid of resseling.... why not have any relation with collectors ? ??? ??? that will bring them money....
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What have I done while starting this thread????????
For me this action is done.
I´ve send them pics and got the collector mark in my details.
Let´s see what consequences this will have in the future.....
(BTW: All post form my side to playmobil were also adressed to the young lady who´s responsible for the PCC...)
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If they first tried to avoid contact with collectors, it makes sense that they ask about pictures now that they are opening communications with them. To get a good idea about how collectors work, how much they collect and what sets they seem to feature most prominently.
They may just be trying to find out which themes are most appealing for collectors, and perhaps may release more DS items for that theme as a result.
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If they first tried to avoid contact with collectors, it makes sense that they ask about pictures now that they are opening communications with them. To get a good idea about how collectors work, how much they collect and what sets they seem to feature most prominently.
They may just be trying to find out which themes are most appealing for collectors, and perhaps may release more DS items for that theme as a result.
:)9
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What is a picture going to prove? If they really wanted to know just ask. ??? Looking at a picture is not in any way info to go by, its quite misleading. Market or client research, to be accurate should be much more thorough with calculated questions. There are also all kinds of events that Geobra could attend to get more familiar with its adult fan base. If I found out they were using these pictures to try to understand us I would loose respect for how they operate. I am sure most of us would be happy to fill out big questionnaires that would actually help them understand why we do what we do and our theme or set interests.
To me it still just looks like a control issue that this particular German has not yet outgrown ::) This is plastic not some sort of war ration.
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This is plastic not some sort of war ration.
Yeah, but the raw material is... oil. ;D
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Yeah, but the raw material is... oil. ;D
You are correct! :hmm:
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Yeah, but the raw material is... oil. ;D
:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: what do you mean? what has this to do with the collectors? they don't want to sell? why the buissness then? i don't know too many questions and no answer.weird in genural .. 8}
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:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: what do you mean? what has this to do with the collectors? they don't want to sell? why the buissness then? i don't know too many questions and no answer.weird in genural .. 8}
Oil is the raw material for making many plastics, and therefore for making Playmobil.
The scarcer and/or expensiver oil-supplies become, the higher the oilprices, the more expensive plastic becomes, and so the more Playmobil will cost to produce and to buy.
I think that is one of the major reasons for less accessories in new sets and for thinner plastic. The driving factor behind the increasing use of softer, rubber-like plastic - that now is been used more and more to make several parts like hats, capes, tools and weapons and other accessories - is IMHO not a safety-issue, but just an economical one.
When plastic is softer and more bendier, that means the material has less density, so less raw material is used to make it, and so lower prodcution-costs or costs to get the neccessary amounts of raw material to make the product. You could see it as "rationing" the raw material required...
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That was a very good explanation, Erwin!
However, we are getting off topic, let's get back to the original subject of this thread, please.
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Yes, please split it.....
Today I received an email from Mrs. Ermann , the PCC representative from Geobra.
Due to ongoing internal discussions at Geobra, I am unable to post it here...
Regards
schluss
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Yes, please split it.....
Today I received an email from Mrs. Ermann , the PCC representative from Geobra.
Due to ongoing internal discussions at Geobra, I am unable to post it here...
Regards
schluss
:lol: :lol: :lol: you make it sound like some kind of national secret that if revealed will jeopardize the publics safety
So Geobra is going to go from treating us like annoying groupies and now we are children, where is the respect and thanks for spending countless money on their products. Sorry for bringing it up but in my experience LEGO does not do such things to its clients which I am one of also.
I spend large sums of money on this product and I really do not care for how Geobra officials treat collectors. I want support from them not rules, regulations and criticism
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:lol: :lol: :lol: you make it sound like some kind of national secret that if revealed will jeopardize the publics safety
So Geobra is going to go from treating us like annoying groupies and now we are children, where is the respect and thanks for spending countless money on their products. Sorry for bringing it up but in my experience LEGO does not do such things to its clients which I am one of also.
I spend large sums of money on this product and I really do not care for how Geobra officials treat collectors. I want support from them not rules, regulations and criticism
:high5: :)9
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Sorry, but as long I have no committment to publish details, I will not publsih them.
I will not start any rumours like I had heard from a friend, that the daughter of the son in law of the gardner of Mr. B had said while reading the newspaper that.......
They are no national secrets, the secret service is not (yet) involved, only some guys from MI5, Mossad and the FBI are notified on a very high level....
BTW: We are talking about toys, aren´t we??
:lol: :lol: :lol: you make it sound like some kind of national secret that if revealed will jeopardize the publics safety
So Geobra is going to go from treating us like annoying groupies and now we are children, where is the respect and thanks for spending countless money on their products. Sorry for bringing it up but in my experience LEGO does not do such things to its clients which I am one of also.
I spend large sums of money on this product and I really do not care for how Geobra officials treat collectors. I want support from them not rules, regulations and criticism
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Sorry, but as long I have no committment to publish details, I will not publsih them.
A task for WikiLeaks :lol:
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Sorry, but as long I have no committment to publish details, I will not publsih them.
I will not start any rumours like I had heard from a friend, that the daughter of the son in law of the gardner of Mr. B had said while reading the newspaper that.......
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They are no national secrets, the secret service is not (yet) involved, only some guys from MI5, Mossad and the FBI are notified on a very high level....
BTW: We are talking about toys, aren´t we??
if only Mr B. would understand this ;) but from his interview he does not and will not care as long as the #'s are there. It could be lemon scented pink toilet paper for all he cares.
And this is where I get confused. If all he cares about is #'s than why hasen't he grasped us as clients with deep pockets, well much deeper than say a 6 year olds.
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Yeah, really. DO they realize how much MORE money we would spend if they really tried to please us? We spend a lot now, but if they were offering $400 collector sets, we'd all be buying them too, assuming they really matched our interests and not some far-fetched notion of what might interest a colletor. Like Tahra says, they don't like money.
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They like money and they are searching a way to get all the money from ALL around the world....
Yeah, really. DO they realize how much MORE money we would spend if they really tried to please us? We spend a lot now, but if they were offering $400 collector sets, we'd all be buying them too, assuming they really matched our interests and not some far-fetched notion of what might interest a colletor. Like Tahra says, they don't like money.
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They like money and they are searching a way to get all the money from ALL around the world....
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: you make it sound like some kind of national secret that if revealed will jeopardize the publics safety
So Geobra is going to go from treating us like annoying groupies and now we are children, where is the respect and thanks for spending countless money on their products. Sorry for bringing it up but in my experience LEGO does not do such things to its clients which I am one of also.
I spend large sums of money on this product and I really do not care for how Geobra officials treat collectors. I want support from them not rules, regulations and criticism
:)9 :)9 :)9 :)9
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They like money and they are searching a way to get all the money from ALL around the world....
:wave: :wave: :wave: we are right here with open wallets, no need to go searching in every nook and cranny. ;D
Hey Geobra, want to sell at least 10,000 guards that you all ready own the mold for ? ? ? I know some secret agent hiding in the high mountains of a Mediterranean resort island with guaranteed sale of at least half ? ? ? The other half will surely be scooped up by your beloved evil scalers on a particular auction site that dominate the used world market, hahahahahaha :P
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The company is aware of all of this. Part of the reason management is behind the Collector Club concept is that it will help resolve a number of these sorts of concerns. It would be a lot easier for them if they limited club membership to just people in Germany, but they really do want to be accessible to all of us. The logistics of that is I'm sure part of why it's taking so long for the club to get up and running. The recent catalog sharing world wide is probably a bit of a test of how systems and processes can be developed.
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They like money and they are searching a way to get all the money from ALL around the world....
Well, I'll believe it when I see it.
:wave: :wave: :wave: we are right here with open wallets, no need to go searching in every nook and cranny. ;D
Duh.
It would be a lot easier for them if they limited club membership to just people in Germany, but they really do want to be accessible to all of us.
PLEASE, do NOT give them ideas. Seriously...
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Ok, I'm done whining for now. :-[
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PLEASE, do NOT give them ideas. Seriously...
:o :o creepy thoughts :o :o