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General => News => Topic started by: wonka on September 14, 2011, 06:45:58
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It appears Playmobil is on a crusade towards people selling customized items, reading this article and recent other cases:
Article:
Playmobil-obsessed defendant turns up with court model
by di-ve.com - editorial@di-ve.com
Court -- 13 September 2011 -- 16:45CEST
A woman accused of violating intellectual property laws by customising and reselling Playmobil toys described herself as a Playmobil fanatic in court, turning up with a model of the courtroom to back her case.
35-year-old Vicky Vassallo is accused of commercial fraud and copyright infringement over the sale of customised Playmobil sets through eBay. She denies the charges, insisting that she was simply selling second-hand goods.
She was first arraigned in 2009 after the toys’ manufacturers, Brandstätter, complained about her sales.
Ms Vassallo described herself as a fanatic who has been collecting the plastic toys since childhood, and who even attended toy fairs in Europe where she would exchange toys and compete in the creation of the best diorama.
At this point she presented, as evidence, a model of the courtroom, with Magistrate Tonio Micallef Trigona and other court officers chuckling as this took place. She explained that the model was assembled through different sets – the chairs formed part of a dining room in a dolls’ house.
Ms Vassallo noted that the practice of customising was encouraged by Playmobil, which had even issued books. She said that she followed all the company’s guidelines when she customised sets, such as the avoidance of scenes of violence. In a previous court case, 2 people had produced macabre custom sets which were sold in a Buġibba shop.
Supt Carmel Magri asked Ms Vassallo whether she was authorised to produce such sets and sell them on, and she replied that no authorisation was necessary to customise sets. She added that she was simply selling second-hand goods.
Taking up her point, defence counsel Joe Giglio asked Supt Magri about the cars he owned. The police officer replied that he has owned a Peugeot for 9 years, and had previously owned a Skoda.
Dr Giglio then asked whether Supt Magri had received any authorisation to sell on the car. The superintendent answered that he had not, but added that no official complaint was filed.
The case continues.
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where is this??
the comparisons to a car is quit funny.
so if I understand correctly i can't change a klicky.
And the same goes for a car.
so if the car manufacturer doesn't like my new wheels they can take me to court?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Though not clear in the article, after more googling, it appears to be the Malta lawsuit.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110914/local/Fantasy-meets-reality-in-court-of-law.384614 (http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110914/local/Fantasy-meets-reality-in-court-of-law.384614)
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The names of the people say "Malta", but I wonder if it is about customising or about passing off an item as a genuine Playmobil production or even dealing in misappropriated Playmobil.
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reading the report in the Times of Malta, I imagine that the reason Playmobil has taken action is because of the nature of the customs - Playmobil want nothing to do with extreme violence.
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this is the same case we've been discussing yesterday in the other thread ;)
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reading the report in the Times of Malta, I imagine that the reason Playmobil has taken action is because of the nature of the customs - Playmobil want nothing to do with extreme violence.
I have serious doubts they can prevent you from doing the customs you want... regardless of their nature. In my case, I don't really go for klicky violence, so, at least in that aspect, no problems...
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malta is that a part of greece???
then i think its Giorginetto.
he is also trying to robb world largest playmobil display ;D ;D ;D ;D
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malta is that a part of greece???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta
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sorry
but from my point of view is closer to you guys then to me ;D
still.......................
;D ;D ;D
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OMG! They got Vicky? That's bad! I reckon the prosecution for selling customs was just a pretext since she's a huge seller on eBay. I don't remember her selling any customs, anyway.
Here in France, the case was solved when D2 made a custom of our President (he called him Sarkobil! :lol:). It was stated that since you buy your own clickies, you can do whatever you want with them and sell them as second-hand if you wish. You cannot say they're genuine because that would be counterfeiting. For years on, PM didn't want people (and especially the kids) to know how a clicky could be taken apart, because of the small parts that could be swallowed, but since this summer and the release of the fig?res series, how can they say anything against customising?
Of course, presenting violent scenes or WW2 realated customs can get them really angry, and we all understand why. Although PM hasn't got anything to say as to what you want to do with your clickies, they could sue because these themes are not compatible with their public, and presenting such customs would be very bad for their image. No copyright violation here, anyway. Heat treated customs also, like bent arms or legs, is touchy too because you cannot let a child do this.
Best,
Arnaud
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Well, what kids are or aren't allowed to do is their parents' job... not playmobil's, or mine, or yours...
The rest.. my klickys, my decision. At least I think so. If others don't like it, don't look. We actually got a nasty comment about a card on pk...
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malta is that a part of greece???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/luwerner/gif/hmm-1.gif)
Yesterday I received a package from Vicky (stock items). I really want to see how the accusation will prove it's illegal for you to change/modify something that is yours and was legally bought. Probably Geobra knows that they can't legally prevent this, so maybe they just want to give the second-hand market sellers a scare.
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This case and the other one discussed here: Malta Playmobil Prosecution and Sentencing (http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=8888.0) would seem to be more about the fact that they take place in Malta than that they are an attack on Playmobil customizers. If I remember correctly, Playmobil uses (relatively) cheap labor in Malta to assemble klickys even sending quantities of unassembled parts home with workers to assemble as "piece goods." This is a labor practice that is susceptible to abuse on both ends: while the company has the benefit of cheap labor, often including child labor, the workers may steal parts and re-sell them. There seems to be a big quantity of klickys and klicky parts in Malta that get re-sold and I suspect that these court cases are an attempt to stop the sale of these "hot" klickys. Playmobil could end this in an instant if they did all of their klicky assembly in factories (in Malta or elsewhere) that meet the same standards as Playmobil's German factories.
In other countries, the US for example, a straight customizing case like the one against Vicky Vassallo would never make it to court due to free speech protections. I don't think we need to worry about it.
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But then the case wouldn't be against "customization", but against selling illegally obtained parts. From what I read the Vicky Vassalo case) there was no mention to illegal parts, just the fact that sets and klickies were modified. And I doubt there is a Western country where it would be illegal to modify your own property, as long as no safety or cultural (racism, discrimination, etc) issues arise.
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And I doubt there is a Western country where it would be illegal to modify your own property, as long as no safety or cultural (racism, discrimination, etc) issues arise.
nope, sorry if you want to be racist or discriminate you are free to do those as well. I can show you whole upscale town full of people doing this, but giving an elaborate illusion otherwise ::)
If I want to make a historically accurate WW2 custom of graphic nature I would like to see Geobra stop it. Idiots :hehe: I do not take kindly to people or companies who practice in censorship. let freedom prevail
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Well, down here discrimination (religious, race, gender, etc) gets you prosecuted.
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In germany was last year a priest who made the (haning) of jezus.
there was a lawsuit against him.
I saw the picture. i can post the link not the picture.
http://www.zdnet.be/news/100641/playmobil-priester-bedreigd-door-poppetjesmaker/
it was becouse of religion.
and becouse he had burnd the arms to bent it??
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In germany was last year a priest who made the (haning) of jezus.
there was a lawsuit against him.
Ridiculous. They need (another) hobby, me thinks.
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But then the case wouldn't be against "customization", but against selling illegally obtained parts. From what I read the Vicky Vassalo case) there was no mention to illegal parts, just the fact that sets and klickies were modified. And I doubt there is a Western country where it would be illegal to modify your own property, ...
Same here! :eh?:
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My guess is that this case is mostly to scare people, but bringing a stolen parts case would be almost impossible to prove against the receiving party... but they have to do something to discourage the theft of parts and the receipt of stolen goods.
I would think that the biggest show of force here is that PM seems to be willing to close the Malta facility if the authorities won't do more to stop parts from being stolen. This would be pretty bad news for Malta I would think.
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My guess is that this case is mostly to scare people, but bringing a stolen parts case would be almost impossible to prove against the receiving party... but they have to do something to discourage the theft of parts and the receipt of stolen goods. . .
That's really the point I was trying to make, but you have said it much more clearly, Baron Marshall! :-[
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Well i did major in useless... i mean english :)
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If I want to make a historically accurate WW2 custom of graphic nature I would like to see Geobra stop it. Idiots :hehe: I do not take kindly to people or companies who practice in censorship. let freedom prevail
There's obviously no way they can stop someone from doing what they want with playmobil in their own home. If you want to use them as voodoo dolls, that's your business. The issue raised is about selling those customs. I can't see a thing in the world wrong with selling them either, of course. I'm just saying, that's what the suit is about. Sounds like heresy, but I hope playmobil loses this one.
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Playmobil uses (relatively) cheap labor in Malta to assemble klickys even sending quantities of unassembled parts home with workers to assemble as "piece goods."
to take them home ?? wow!!! i never heard of such thing ,i thought machines were assembing the klickys ??? ??? no? :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
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i know Vicky and i'm sad to ear that ....she really don't sell custom very often in ebay !! she usually sell clean collectors parts .
D2 don't speak about selling custom (he do but it's not the problem) but about showing custom on the web witch is different , of course you can do what you want with what you buy !!
laws are differents in all country and marketing (control his image by geobra is legitim ) is different from law (but geobra had more money to pay lawyer !)
i sell customs (i hope i will be able to stop at ending stock ...) and the french director of marketing call me to remove the celebrity name (i respect this toys and never do things with blood for example to not hurt kids , it's not because i'm fear of geobra but for morality reasons) , as you know geobra is near some famous theme so i write to the french director of marketing i will do as well (panoramix can be a only druid ...like their zorro ...) i think m jackson (his family) can attack you if you sell his image without autorisation but not playmobil , for my lawyer , they will lose if they attak (i just speak for france ) . these process are not good for the image of geobra in the collector world but i think the big customers are childreen , not us ...
In france i think it's impossible to have such problems but i don't know the law in malta , ebay is a mondial place , i must think to ask if there's exeption in this place .
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to take them home ?? wow!!! i never heard of such thing ,i thought machines were assembing the klickys ??? ??? no? :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
Come on everyone knows that klickies are assembled on the inner thy of a ........ Never mind, where is that Cuban cigar ;)
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Is this Vicky lady still selling on ebay or have they curtailed that too?
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My guess is that this case is mostly to scare people, but bringing a stolen parts case would be almost impossible to prove against the receiving party... but they have to do something to discourage the theft of parts and the receipt of stolen goods.
In the report in the Times of Malta, it is reported that some of the items seized in raids were for sets not yet released which is case proved surely.
I would think that the biggest show of force here is that PM seems to be willing to close the Malta facility if the authorities won't do more to stop parts from being stolen. This would be pretty bad news for Malta I would think.
It would but is unlikely as the Malta factory has been very successful expanding from just klickies to smaller sets and the Geobra presence in Malta is more than just Playmobil.
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sure !! selling stoled things is another story ! i buy things 3 years ago to ebay seller from malte and i was shoked to learn they comes from the fatory ... it was in the newspaper of malte and lot of sellers was forbidden to sell in ebay after that . I don't think Vicky is like that : she sell complete collectors and the people who do that use to build playmo with huge bags of pieces (they miss pieces who're made in germany) and that why maybe people who sell news parts and incomplete parts can appear as people who do custom with playmobils . For information the starting price of 10 playmobils without hat and accessories was 6E (stolen things in the factory ) , i know it goes on because some people contact me for that last year (but of course i decline the proposition)
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I've purchased from Vicky many times, and she has always been a very honest seller. I never bought a custom nor have I seen customs from her. like someone said, just normal clickies. :love:
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:hmm: maybe the new mini-cameras in the new secret-agents theme have another purpose.
:0 maybe geobra will use them to spy on us and what we do with our klickies.
an helicopter just passed over my house 3 minutes ago.
i thinks it's them.
although i am not a customizer i am still afraid - maybe i accidentaly swatched 2 pirates hats and they will get me for that.
although i have no secret-agents sets i am still afraid - maybe big-geobra is watching me. :lens:
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I am surprised the way this is going, could never expect this to happen actually...
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There is some kind of "restriction law" on customized klickies on the geobra homepage.
I don't know if they can win every lawsuit just by putting some kind of "geobra law" online (for example: the rights of artists have to be respected), but at least it may be the basis for their lawyers to take action - and their lawyers are probably well-paid experts. It may be you run out of money before any judge tells you that you are entitled to customize klickies any way you want.
I just looked it up: Here is the link (German version)
It dates from 2009.
http://www.playmobil.de/on/demandware.store/Sites-DE-Site/de_DE/Link-Page?cid=CUSTOMIZING
This may the "official basis" for what is going on.
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It may not hold up in court though. Just like the "we are not responsible for...." labels on some products or in public places. You can't just make up your own law. A judge may well say, "oh yes you are responsible for...." whatever. Same here, a judge could easily rule that they have no right to dictate what people do with their toys.
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Of course, but you may have to go through a number of court cases running the risk of ruining yourself BEFORE a judge tells you exactly that and geobra has no other court to go to for appeal.
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most of what geobras documents says though is about what they are "tolerant" of, and not what you are allowed to do...
indicating that the official policy is basically...
as long as you aren't cutting into our profits or marketing non-factory playmobil to kids, then we aren't going to get uptight about it...
In relation to this and other cases, provided that PM is following its own statement... then there are facts being withheld that indicate violation of this... my bet would be on cutting into profits... even if it is just profits for Playmobil just in Malta itself.
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"Danger to children comes from today's perspective, then, if the characters were changed, for example, as follows:
◦ bend by heating with electrical equipment or open flames
◦ decorations with sharp parts e.g. Metal wires
◦ manipulation of the figures with a hammer and nails
◦ painting the figures for toys with no shared lacquers and paints "
I cant imagine how customizing in this way poses a danger to children-- unless its the children themselves who are doing such customizing, and even so, I'm not sure how customizing a playmobil product AFTER it's already been purchased would be Geobra's liability. It's the parent's job to supervise what their kids are doing, not the toy's fault for what is being done to it (the toy). UNLESS THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT A CUSTOMIZED TOY WHICH MAY NO LONGER BE SAFE FOR THE ORIGINAL AUDIENCE (children) IS BEING SOLD TO CHILDREN....in which case, as a second-hand seller, maybe you can put a disclaimer on Playmobil's behalf stating something like:
"While initially based off of a stock Playmobil toy, this customized creation is for sale by private transaction only, intended for the adult enthusiast and is in no way endorsed by Playmobil for mass release to the general child-aged consumer group as it may no longer meet factory safety standards for children. By purchasing this custom you agree that you are at least 18 years of age and have read our disclaimer that this custom is meant for adult collectors only and is not reccommended for children."
Maybe if customizers include this verbage on their invoices and on their auctions, Geobra can be satisfied with that? Also, as long as it isn't cutting into their profits (so don't make an ebay "store" and list more than one of the same kind of custom over and over again)....and in other words, try to stay off their radar by just keeping a low profile. and if you're a store owner, don't sell your customs through your store, but rather simply as a private transaction not associated with your store.
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Of course, but you may have to go through a number of court cases running the risk of ruining yourself BEFORE a judge tells you exactly that and geobra has no other court to go to for appeal.
Yes, this is quite true. :-\
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Come on everyone knows that klickies are assembled on the inner thy of a ........ Never mind, where is that Cuban cigar ;)
well i didn't know ::) (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Zen/levitation.gif) ,but take them home? i don't think such a thing is happening ,why take them home while they can do it in their workplace... what Cuban cigar ?? ???
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There is some kind of "restriction law" on customized klickies on the geobra homepage.
Well, I can write whatever I darn well please on my site, it doesn't make it law. I find it ridiculous, actually, and SERIOUSLY doubt it can be enforced. It surprises me that this nonsense goes to court. Unless the case is really about stolen parts, then it's completely different.
It's the parent's job to supervise what their kids are doing, not the toy's fault for what is being done to it (the toy).
Unfortunately, I think a LOT of parents these days think their kids are everyone else's problem.. ::)
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u can sell customs anywhere u like aslong u dont use playmobil in the topic or description. the figure itself is only like a medium..
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i can see if you're a store that sells playmobil, how you can get in trouble for selling custom sets if it's out of the same store. Because Playmobil wholesales the merchandise to the stores, meant to be resold at retail and in their original form.
If a store owner (be it online or in real life) has access to wholesale parts, customizes them, and then sells them along side stock playmobil toys from the same store, it's a bit of a conflict of interest because, essentially, you'd be selling second-hand toys that dont' meet playmobil standards along side the brand new stock toys that do, and out of the same store. Customers may confuse the customs for actual Playmobil stock toys, or riding off Playmobil's marketing (meant for stock playmobil toys) in order to sell their customs, thus, using Playmobil to promote your non-endorsed customs.
That seems to be the common theme between this Malta lawsuit and the other (unless they're one in the same?): the customs are being sold by vendors who also sell stock playmobil regularly, and out of the same venue. Maybe this can be avoided if the customs were sold out of a seperate and private venue not associated with the vendor's store that carries playmobil.
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That is an excellent point BlackPearl! that would sort be a conflict of interest... because customs are usually better looking than stock... :)
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i'm sorry to hear what this seller is going through (i think i too have bought from her a few years back as her name sounds VERY familiar to me) - it even sounds ridiculous that she gets sued for such an innocent crime...there's really mean people doing worse things in the world!!! >:( - the law of that country should get busy with things that really affect them instead of wasting their time with a working person who does nothing but pleasing her collector audience (pm should be grateful that in a way she's promoting their brand name)
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I don't know what that seller is really sued for, but:
These rules by Geobra on customizing were established alongside the case of the "Playmo-Bibel" (an online version of this book by a pastor (User-Name:Bommel) with pictures of klickies telling the stories of the Old and New Testament).
He was threatened by geobra's lawyer's with a lawsuit if he didn't take his bible version off-line (apparently people who had looked at his site had asked geobra where they could buy those klickies "with bent arms/legs", the "steel knives and swords" and especially the "klicky Jesus nailed to the cross").
Around this time the above-mentioned document was put on the website and another one on "product policy" ruling out the use of violence and horror for Playmobil products.
From a common sense point of view, I'd say: Tahra and bonniebeth are right: These rules won't hold in court, but who is willing to take the risk (Bommel wasn't and has left the community).
From a realisitc point of view I'd like you to consider: There are things possible in courts (if you've got the right lawyers) that have got nothing to do with common sense).
I hope we'll hear more about this new case soon.
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I like the fotos in this newspaper ;D ;D
are the custom??
its on topic its about the lawsuit
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110914/local/Fantasy-meets-reality-in-court-of-law.384614
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I love the pic!
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That's not "customized". She just positioned the klickies and accessories in a similar fashion to the real court. Customized would be if she had altered the klickies and parts in some way - the least would be swapping body parts (disassembling klickies that are not supposed to be taken apart).
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I don't know what that seller is really sued for, but:
These rules by Geobra on customizing were established alongside the case of the "Playmo-Bibel" (an online version of this book by a pastor (User-Name:Bommel) with pictures of klickies telling the stories of the Old and New Testament).
He was threatened by geobra's lawyer's with a lawsuit if he didn't take his bible version off-line (apparently people who had looked at his site had asked geobra where they could buy those klickies "with bent arms/legs", the "steel knives and swords" and especially the "klicky Jesus nailed to the cross").
Around this time the above-mentioned document was put on the website and another one on "product policy" ruling out the use of violence and horror for Playmobil products.
From a common sense point of view, I'd say: Tahra and bonniebeth are right: These rules won't hold in court, but who is willing to take the risk (Bommel wasn't and has left the community).
From a realisitc point of view I'd like you to consider: There are things possible in courts (if you've got the right lawyers) that have got nothing to do with common sense).
I hope we'll hear more about this new case soon.
I totally understand Geobra's point on Bommel's case because involving religion with a toy brand that has nothing to do with it can be absolutely offensive and misinterpreted, not just by the Geobra crew or PM fans but also by believers, either conservative or non conservative.
I don't think Vicky's customs could be considered offensive, violent or horror-provoking, could they? :hmm:
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I totally understand Geobra's point on Bommel's case because involving religion with a toy brand that has nothing to do with it can be absolutely offensive and misinterpreted, not just by the Geobra crew or PM fans but also by believers, either conservative or non conservative.
I disagree about the having nothing to do with it. We have official playmostuff from one religion, not even masked as something else, unfortunately.
Though I don't like klicky violence in any setting. It's just... off.
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I disagree about the having nothing to do with it. We have official playmostuff from one religion, not even masked as something else, unfortunately.
that is true...my point was that playmobil's main target are not religious oriented institutions or audiences (they can be one of them, but not the main ones, main ones are kids in general) not even with those sets (noah's ark, nativity set, etc)
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I think part of the issue was that this minister or whatever was somehow making money off of these pictures of the religious playmobil customs, using them to draw people to his organization, which was in no way affiliated with playmobil. i can understand that objection. It's the same as having a giant klicky outside of a bar. It's misleading, looking as though that business is affiliated with playmobil, and it's sponging off of playmobil's fame to bring in customers, without pm getting a cut.
That's not "customized". She just positioned the klickies and accessories in a similar fashion to the real court. Customized would be if she had altered the klickies and parts in some way - the least would be swapping body parts (disassembling klickies that are not supposed to be taken apart).
I believe she did take them apart and swap parts, as the article said she demonstrated the hans-on method in court. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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what you can take them apart on purpose ;) ... i just thought they "accidentally" sat in that position and fell apart during "normal" play :lol:
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I believe she did take them apart and swap parts, as the article said she demonstrated the hans-on method in court.
I must have missed that part. If so, then yes, she "customized" them.
Still, I can't stop thinking that Geobra just wants to give sellers a scare. Specially what I call the "large scale private sellers" that are not Geobra sanctioned retailers.
And about the themes of the customization, I totally understand and agree with Geobra that going religious in the themes is very iffy. Some passages of the Bible or Koran could be deemed offensive to some Christians and Muslims, and PM being an innocent toy, it has no business meddling with that. Yeah, yeah, I know better and you all here know better, but some people might take offense. So Geobra is very wise in keeping distance from these subjects.
The nativity theme is a bit different, since Christmas has been universally accepted in the modern world, so Geobra "can" issue sets in that theme without fear of getting a large bunch of people upset.
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well, when he would have never used that word playmo or playmobil in his description, geobra wouldnt be able to stop it! thats worldwide law. he only had to stop as he used the term playmo bibel..
to use playmobil as a medium is allowed, the copyright problen only occurs when its called playmo or playmobil!
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well, when he would have never used that word playmo or playmobil in his description, geobra wouldnt be able to stop it! thats worldwide law. he only had to stop as he used the term playmo bibel..
to use playmobil as a medium is allowed, the copyright problen only occurs when its called playmo or playmobil!
This is quite probably the fact that was missing in my statement.
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Cool pic btw !!!! ;D
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... There is some kind of "restriction law" on customized klickies on the geobra homepage.
... I don't know if they can win every lawsuit just by putting some kind of "geobra law" online (for example: the rights of artists have to be respected), but at least it may be the basis for their lawyers to take action - and their lawyers are probably well-paid experts. It may be you run out of money before any judge tells you that you are entitled to customize klickies any way you want. ...http://www.playmobil.de/on/demandware.store/Sites-DE-Site/de_DE/Link-Page?cid=CUSTOMIZING ...
I've taken some words osut of your quote, Playmofool. I hope you don't mind...
Anyway ... I've been wondering about this for quite a while now. I think there's a HUGE problem here.
The text is only on the German site (well, definitly not the Dutch on) and it's only available in German (well, definitly not in Dutch - I haven't checked all sites).
I can't see how I can be legally bound here by a document that's not in my official language (that's Dutch here) and not even available through the normal channels.
I still think that the article mentioned by Playmofool is only ment to serve a particular German law and Germany.
Although I still think the Malta case here is either barmy or something else is going on ...
But that's just me.
Mark
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hi dont believe its paricular german law as the stupid idiot harald schmidt sometimes uses playmobil customs for making fun of people! and he is broadcasted at a TV station !
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True, Mike, but it would mean loss of reputation if geobra sued one of the most popular talk show hosts in Germany.
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I believe he is actually mentioned in the "Story of a Smile" book, so apparently they don't mind this use? ??? I find it all very confusing, honestly.
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and that the reason u can sell customized playmo aslong u dont mention the brandname.. doesnt matter howmany fancy lawers they having.. they wont win!
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I can't see how I can be legally bound here by a document that's not in my official language (that's Dutch here) and not even available through the normal channels.
I don't think you can be "bound" by a "law" some company decides to write on their site! They do NOT make the law.. maybe it's wishful thinking.
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well in this case all i can say is that some where customized in a way suck like an executioner witha figures head in his hand with blood coming out and soo that is one of the things
second some parts where stolen how and where its an other matter . the case is still at court so i cant talk more than i have.
hope you understand me
ryan
and btw malta is an island which is a republic and have its own government and language and we havent got anything to do with greece......
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well in this case all i can say is that some where customized in a way suck like an executioner witha figures head in his hand with blood coming out and soo that is one of the things
Maybe it sucks to you. Some people may like such customs.
Of course with the parts being stolen than it has nothing to do with customs anymore.
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im terribly sorry i meant such spelling mistake.it didnt suck to me it sucked to geobra and i spoke from the point of veiw of the police not from the collector view my friend :P hehehe
i just clarified what the main charges against her were..
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I take it you know more about this, but can't tell it? ;)
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I am surprised ebay has gotten away all those years with this as well as many other things...... Big money invloved i suppose ....
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Just for information:
At the beginning Playmobil supported Playmo-Bible activly.
Bommel gots a lot of material direct from the HQ.... and they knew what was going on......
I disagree about the having nothing to do with it. We have official playmostuff from one religion, not even masked as something else, unfortunately.
Though I don't like klicky violence in any setting. It's just... off.
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exactly bonnie you understood my point. ;)
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well all i can say is she's not guilty until she is proven so by the court.
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:wave: This is the first time I've read this thread and I've found it very interesting as I sell custom Pm as well.
Vicky told me a little about her case the other week as we've been chatting lately. From what she's said she was unfortunate to have shown pictures on ebay etc of other peoples customised work some of it the "horror" stuff and she got dragged into this with the other creators. From what I've read here as well it just seams unfortunate that she also had some of her things in the shop that was selling dodgy parts.
I don't think she's done anything wrong at all and everything I've ever bought from her has been excellent ( and always sold as second hand!) It just a shame about all this when Pm are trying to encourage collectors and customisers (Fan Club) that they are lumping everyone together. I just hope everything goes well for her.
Oh and yes she is still selling on ebay.