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Title: Rome-Egypt
Post by: tonguello on January 19, 2011, 17:46:49
have someone noticed that the roman and egipcians themes have been merged into one in playmobil.de?
weird...  ???
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: playmofire on January 19, 2011, 17:47:49
have someone noticed that the roman and egipcians themes have been merged into one in playmobil.de?
weird...  ???

Maybe they are thinking of introducing a general theme on Ancient History.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 19, 2011, 17:49:25
Yes, i thought this was strange, too. Can't figure out why...  ???
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: tonguello on January 19, 2011, 18:02:58
Maybe they are thinking of introducing a general theme on Ancient History.

yes this could be it, but they named the theme EGYPT.  ??? confusing...
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wolf Knight on January 19, 2011, 18:03:51
Yes I've noticed... we have them merged in the greek 2010 catalogue as well. Maybe its saves paper and they are the only historical themes right now....

I also have a 2010/2011 german catalogue and the romans are not in it at all, while all the egyptians are present...
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Luis on January 19, 2011, 18:16:02
Maybe they are thinking of introducing a general theme on Ancient History.

i would only think that if all the roman sets were there, which isn't the case because the roman theme was discontinued 1 or 2 years ago, no?
in my opinion they just trying to get rid of the stock leftovers by putting the roman sets left w/ a matching theme...While-stock-lasts strategy :)
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: playmofire on January 19, 2011, 18:20:52
i would only think that if all the roman sets were there, which isn't the case because the roman theme was discontinued 1 or 2 years ago, no?
in my opinion they just trying to get rid of the stock leftovers by putting the roman sets left w/ a matching theme...While-stock-lasts strategy :)

I understand having looked at the website.  The section is just called Egyptians; I thought Gaston meant that there was a section called Egyptians/Romans.

I should have looked before replying!   :-[
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 19, 2011, 18:34:43
i would only think that if all the roman sets were there, which isn't the case because the roman theme was discontinued 1 or 2 years ago, no?
in my opinion they just trying to get rid of the stock leftovers by putting the roman sets left w/ a matching theme...While-stock-lasts strategy :)

Hi

This theory (not proven science :lol:) seems most logical as we have learned that Playmobil was left with too many unsold Romans. It would seem the Egyptians are not selling that great either as the add-ons in the US are on clearance

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: tonguello on January 19, 2011, 18:40:00
I understand having looked at the website.  The section is just called Egyptians; I thought Gaston meant that there was a section called Egyptians/Romans.

I should have looked before replying!   :-[

Oh don't worry, I might have not been clear, sorry  :-[


It sounds like romans were a big playmo flop....were they?
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 19, 2011, 18:51:55
HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY BE A FLOP?!!!!!!!  :omg: :lol:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: cowabounga on January 19, 2011, 19:05:47
HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY BE A FLOP?!!!!!!!  :omg: :lol:
I second that!  :omg: :lol:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 19, 2011, 19:08:46
HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY BE A FLOP?!!!!!!!  :omg: :lol:

Hi

Perhaps children and parents who buy for them are not interested in them . Not everybody is interested in letting their kids play with a race of dominating waring society bent on taking over the world  :P just a guess though. I am sure there are better answers  ;)

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Luis on January 19, 2011, 20:56:48
Hi

Perhaps children and parents who buy for them are not interested in them . Not everybody is interested in letting their kids play with a race of dominating waring society bent on taking over the world  :P just a guess though. I am sure there are better answers  ;)

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"

if that was the case maybe the western / native american sets would never have sold
but it's just my guess

i really wonder why the romans/egyptians are not selling that much? i bet those themes were very succesful initially but perhaps PM overproduced boxes/add-ons? (they knew both were VERY requested themes, at least by collectors)
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Tiermann on January 19, 2011, 22:16:42
I don't see them following any different pattern than other themes have gone through the last few years. They make a theme, it's available for 2 or 3 years and then they slowly retire it as they sell through their remaining stock.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Lindama on January 19, 2011, 22:42:16
Can't answer the question about catalogue merge, but do think that the wonderful Roman theme could have been/could be revitalised by the addition of some buildings. I would love a Roman Villa or temple.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Tiermann on January 19, 2011, 22:44:39
The new vacation house comes pretty close, very Italianate looking at least
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Ds dad on January 20, 2011, 14:26:48
I agree. As much as I love the Roman theme I think it wasn't particularly well thought out.  You could certainly build legions but after that what do you do? Some buildings or at least a fort would have been useful I think.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 20, 2011, 14:36:55
You know, now that I think about it more, I think you're right. What this theme lacks is play value. You can build a great army, but what do you do with the army? We adults may enjoy just having them, but a kid would get bored with them easily. A child isn't likely to appreciate them just for their magnificent historical details.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 20, 2011, 17:15:20
if that was the case maybe the western / native american sets would never have sold
but it's just my guess

i really wonder why the romans/egyptians are not selling that much? i bet those themes were very succesful initially but perhaps PM overproduced boxes/add-ons? (they knew both were VERY requested themes, at least by collectors)

Hi

Look at the variety in the Western theme. It was not just a bunch of gun slinging cowboys and spear throwing Indians. Look at the whole train department that complimented it. All the civilian elements that are more collectible than the Cowboys and Indians them selfs  . I have a very beautiful (in my opinion of course) western town with many elements represented, minus a single bathroom though  :lol: (we need an old outhouse with the moon cut in the door).

According to my local retailers the theme never sold well.  Collectors make up a small percentage of Playmobil's bottom line.

It would be very hard to speculate if Playmobil were to have made more of a civilian element to the theme if that alone would have carried it further. Times have changed and kids play differently . They still play but it just seems different to me. It seems like their interests are short lived, kind of like if you are to watch TV, your brain has to keep shifting stories and quickly.

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 20, 2011, 17:47:42
There havent been any Romans in Maltese toy shops for two years. The last Romans I saw was in Belgium sometime last year. Bart Smit still had a couple of blue specials and I got them  :love:

I have mixed feelings about the buildings. But a fort would have been great.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 21, 2011, 02:13:26
HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY BE A FLOP?!!!!!!!  :omg: :lol:

Maybe because there is nothing children, on the whole, of today could associate it with.

History is not exactly a popular subject and when you get to grade 9 and actually study ancient civilizations the students are doing it out of drudgery and not a love of history, except for maybe one or two out of a class of 30.  This, is not a theory, it is based upon empirical evidence of my teaching grade 9 history for the past decade. 

The students this year are no more or less interested than those of a decade ago.  Maybe less-so. 

You can tell they would have been excited about such things when they were in grade 3 or 4 if they had a chance to explore and learn about such things - but by middle school, they are too old for Playmobil.  They might look at the sets out of appreciation and realise they would have liked that when they were younger, but it's too late.

I would agree with Luis, they are just combining them for this one year and then they will be gonzo.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: tonguello on January 21, 2011, 02:39:13
So, do you think guys that the Rome and Egypt theme were more meant for grown up collectors than for children from their conception?
was it a good strategy? if not....will it become a precedent for the future for PLaymobil regarding what not to do?  :(
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Donmobil on January 21, 2011, 02:59:15
My thought is exposure... Target did not carry a big assortment of the Roman theme, mostly catapults and sets with the Gladiators, but no Roman soldier packs.  I did a display two years ago at a local Library that was well recieved.  If it is not on the shelves at stores where people shop, it is not there for kids to want and parents to get for their kids.  I spoke to people at a local ToysRUs and they said they did not know there was a Roman theme.

Maybe Playmobil should sent a catalog to retailers with their products and have their salesforce talk up a theme.

My 2¢ worth...
-- Donmobil
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 21, 2011, 04:33:16
will it become a precedent for the future for PLaymobil regarding what not to do?  :(

Well, they could take it that way, or they could learn from it. If the theme had been developed a little better, maybe with homes and civilians and such, it would have been more successful IMO. Maybe if when they do a Greek theme it will be more detailed.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wolf Knight on January 21, 2011, 06:12:27
Maybe if when they do a Greek theme it will be more detailed.

Lets hope so  ;D
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 21, 2011, 07:07:10
HI

For some reason I just have a hard time imagining a child in a toy store telling their parent that they have to have a Playmobil Hades or Apollo set. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it and I would buy as many of  them as I could but we are collectors. I just want to see Playmobil make themes that give them a better market share. Perhaps if the company can make a lot more than Mr B's kids will show more interest in keeping it going .

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 21, 2011, 15:11:09
My thought is exposure... Target did not carry a big assortment of the Roman theme, mostly catapults and sets with the Gladiators, but no Roman soldier packs.  I did a display two years ago at a local Library that was well recieved.  If it is not on the shelves at stores where people shop, it is not there for kids to want and parents to get for their kids.  I spoke to people at a local ToysRUs and they said they did not know there was a Roman theme.

Maybe Playmobil should sent a catalog to retailers with their products and have their salesforce talk up a theme.

My 2¢ worth...
-- Donmobil


Absolutely.  Children are not interested in Rome and Egypt because they have no exposure.  There are no movies being made now about ancient Rome and Egypt.  There are no tv shows for children.  (When movies were in the theatres years ago they would be edited and then put on television for all audiences and that would create a great amount of interest).  Children would read boks at one time - now they play video games and "read" facebook ...  They do not go out and play anymore (drive by a playground on a warm saturday afternoon and count the number of kids over 5 who are out there - or look at the amount of grade school children riding their bikes down the street).

Toy stores like Toys R Us and Target do not stock the catalogues so kids can see the other sets available and have ther imaginations stimulated by the creative photos and dioramas that Playmobil pictures in those - that we all love today from decades ago.

And now for the more (for some) controversial aspect - less chldren today.  Parents think they have the right to be able to limit their families through artificial means so they have maybe 1 child, many have no children.  These children do not learn from their older siblings who might be studying ancient civilizations in older grades and get an interest there.  The real kicker is that due to lesbe s children they have less peers to play with therefore less varied interests they are exposed to.  Therefore they only go with what the mass media tells them they like, on the whole.  Since parents do not take more time with and for their children (it's actually less time than in decades past as they claim to more busy and they are with both parents having to work in most situations in order to make ends meet in our society) - even though they have less - they placate their children with gizmos to keep them occupied (ie video games).

It is obvious those on this forum are much different from the norm - they know the value of toys that you have to use imagination and creativity with (Playmobil).  However, the more the norm becomes the norm and the les children there are the less interest there will be in Playmobil and the less Playmobil there will be.  Until one day the company may decide there is more profit and growth in something else (like their venture into plastic plant pots).
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 21, 2011, 15:44:02
Well, I think you're definitely right about the exposure part, Wesley. I know when I was a child, I wouldn't have gotten into playmobil if it hadn't appealed to something I was already fascinated by. You see, when I was little, I was very into Laura Ingalls Wilder/ Little House on the Prairie. The books, not the TV show. I had every one of the books, and read them over and over again. I also had a little book about what it was like to travel west in a wagon train. So I knew a lot about covered wagons, and my first playmobil was a covered wagon. I was so impressed by the accuracy of it, from the little feed box on the back, to the oil bucket hanging between the back wheels, to the barrel hanging on the side of the wagon to churn butter. If I hadn't already known anything about covered wagons, it wouldn't have impressed me nearly so much.

So yes, I think you are right, a lot of kids just don't know about things in depth enough to be impressed by historical accuracy in any theme. They might see something in a movie or video game, but they aren't reading and learning about it.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 21, 2011, 16:32:32
HI

Wesley that is an interesting observation that I have seen first hand. My older brother had a son who for 5 years had no siblings. He was only slightly interested in toys let a lone playmobil. I gave them sets and he had access to the ones at my parents house but still he showed no interest. As soon as his sister was born and hit 2 he all of a sudden asked for the pirate ship on my parents dresser. My brother told me he and his sister would have a great time together playing with them to the point where my brother bought them (i could hardly believe it) a new one. On Christmas I gave then a 3rd one and they were so happy as their fleet was growing.  Before his sister he seemed to be more interested in being a mini adult rater than a kid.

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Martin Milner on January 22, 2011, 05:41:09
There are no movies being made now about ancient Rome and Egypt.

The Eagle (http://www.focusfeatures.com/the_eagle) opens Feb 11th, but it's not for kids.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 22, 2011, 17:38:10
The Eagle (http://www.focusfeatures.com/the_eagle) opens Feb 11th, but it's not for kids.


Yeah, I saw that.  I was looking forward to it - Rosemary Sutcliff's 'The Eagle of the Ninth' novel was a favourite of mine while I was in grade 4 or 5.  That's the book this is based upon. 

What is not fine is portraying the Picts as having mohawks in some attempt at some type of post-apocalyptic punk dystopian tie-in with 'Mad Max Road Warrior' and 'Doomsday' with outrageous Hong Kong action movie inspired acrobatics (which are good in their own genre).  Not to mention the Picts being painted green!

Pict means 'painted people' and they got the name because they would cover their bodies in tattoos - which the Celtic peoples throughout Europe also did, but not to such a complete extent as the Picts. 

It's as bad as that horrible Hollywood attempt at a pollitically correct "Robin Hood" movie with Kevin Costner in which they had the Welsh supposedly splashed with blue paint!

From what could have been a magnificent movie that would be raved about for generations (ala Ben Hur), we have the makings of what will surely be a mere flop.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Justindo on January 23, 2011, 05:20:18
I had no idea that the Romans were a flop until, I think, macgayver mentioned it a year or so ago.  (Supposedly he had some inside information regarding this.)

The Roman theme was the one that got me back into Playmobil seriously.  I have purchased about 500 Roman klickies (as well as hundreds of Egyptians, Vikings, and Specials to fight them) and at least one of each of the sets in the theme and from what I've seen on these boards and others, it seems the theme was very popular with adult collectors.  I guess, however, the Romans didn't resonate with children.  I'm not sure a lack of buildings and/or civilian sets were the reason for this either but, selfishly speaking, I wish Playmobil had produced some.  If they do introduce a Greek theme, which might do okay because of 300, I can only hope they'll have at least one building (the Parthenon?) that one could adapt into a Roman temple.  As it is now, I've had to rely on DS to acquire parts to create some Roman buildings, and with US DS, that's not easy.  (Just ask me how many uncompleted structures I have. :( )

By the way, I am looking forward to The Eagle, although it will probably flop and be no Ben-Hur or even Gladiator. :roman:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 23, 2011, 11:00:44
300 was released four years ago - most children wouldn't know, or care, about a film that 'old'.

Forget about PM ever giving us an ancient greek theme - it's just fanboy wishthinking. Same goes, as far as Im concerned, for Asian sets. It's good to dream of course (like I dream about my Zulu wars sets) but I just dont see it happeing EVER.

I think the thing that ticked me off the most about the Roman sets was the tower. What was that supposed to do? I can understand one in the knights theme because you can use it as a siege weapon, but what are you going to besiege in the roman's theme?
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Martin Milner on January 23, 2011, 16:42:25
There was also the Clash of the Titans Movie last year, PG-13.

I'm going to keep hoping for an ancient foe for the Romans, and for a Japanese or Chinese Feudal theme, even if it's just a few specials. The samurai special is a start. It's a shame Playmobil don't have a level between "couple of Specials" and "whole theme of 6-7 sets", or if they do that they don't use it more.

I agree the siege tower was going nowhere. I only ever bought one as the set was so expensive, though Rona kindly gave me a couple of towers she had spare. They've never yet been used in battle. I only ever bought one ship as they too were expensive. The General's tent was also a lot of money for not much content. The figures I wanted from these sets I got off an eBay seller in Malta, though that source has now dried up.

The Arena was a nice set for a centrepiece for a town, but what we really needed was a building to live in and build the rest of the town with. Done the right way (i.e. modular) it could have served as houses, temples, shops or public buildings. That should have sold in multiples to collectors, but alas it was never produced.

Like Justindo I only got back into Playmobil through the Romans, so every penny I've since spent on Playmobil should be attributed to the Roman theme. For some it went too far (and was not successful), for others it never went far enough. At least the Egyptians had somewhere to live as well as somewhere to go after death.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Elric on January 23, 2011, 18:21:25
I was thumbing through the collector book and noticed that there were viking specials years before it was a theme.  I also see there were eygptian specials before it was a theme.  There are quite a few oriental style specials.  Cossack, mongolian special and egg, samurai just to name a few.  We also have the asian zoo.  I believe there could be an asian theme in the future.  I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 23, 2011, 18:33:51
You see the Romans having no civilian dwellings or foes and I'm sure that played a part in the limited aspect of the theme. However, when one looks at the knights you see two castles (both currently and in the recent past with two castles) and some knights but not a thing else - no civilians, no houses and/or farms, etc (at least on the mass market, you can get some through DS, but they are unfurnished and unpopulated).

I personally believe it is streaming for boys. They don't think boys will play with domesticated sets.  I don't know if this is based on play-testing or past sales or round-table discussions of executives or what but the knights theme has not dried up and been phased out.

While there have not been a lot of medieval movies out - and I do not think a movie for adults like 300 that a child would never have seen nor movies like Clash of the Titans which would have been too violent for young people to go to or Gladiator (same reasons) or The Eagle, Centurion, etc, etc, etc - same reasons - there is a prevalence in children's literature about knights and castles.  

There is no widespread amount of children's literature anymore regarding ancient civilizations.  Yes, you can find it, if you look.  But you have to look.  It's not something that is prevalent by any means.

Princesses - prevalent.  Farms and Horses - very much so.  City themed stuff - most live it and it is also prevalent in things aimed for and at little children.  Pirates - prevalent.  Construction - same thing.  

It is good Playmobil takes chances and tries new things.  Of course not all of us will agree as to what was a good new thing or not but every one of us has found some things they like in at least one theme.

If you want to find out what's going to sell, look at what is prevalent for children.  Right now.  Not several years earlier (ie Pirates of the Caribbean). Not last year 0 that's already WAY to late to interest children.  But right now for what is being realease right now.  What is going to be popular in a year or two for what is being released in a year or two.

Not easy to try to figure out the future, is it?  
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 23, 2011, 20:23:12
HI

Just a heads up for Egyptian collectors. The Pyramid is on sale at TRU for 30% off to bring it down to $73. Our local store had 4 now 3  ;)

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 23, 2011, 22:18:05
HI

Just a heads up for Egyptian collectors. The Pyramid is on sale at TRU for 30% off to bring it down to $73. Our local store had 4 now 3  ;)

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"

I've always wanted the pyramid.  I love ancient history and I was pretty excited when I first heard they were going to make a pyramid in the first place.  I just don't know if I have room for it ...  Honestly, I don't even know if I would ever use it.  Maybe build it once and that would be it. 
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Justindo on January 23, 2011, 22:51:28
As with Martin, every Playmobil item I've purchased in the last five years, except for the Viking ship, is a direct result of the Romans.

I'd forgotten about the Roman siege tower, as that was the one Roman set I never purchased due to, in my opinion, its poor design.  (I think Playmobil's medieval siege tower, however, is magnificent.)  I agree that the Roman siege tower raises a question mark in the series as there is no fortification in the theme to lay siege to.  I would have liked to have seen a Roman watchtower instead of that siege tower.  Having a few Roman buildings, maybe one or two military and one or two civilian, available, even via DS, would have really been a nice thing for adults.  As Martin writes, one could adapt these sets to create a fort and a town.  The latter might have brought in the girls, although I agree with Wesley that the knights, pirates, and Romans probably only appeal to boys and they have no interest in domestic items.

Like Martin, I too hold out hope for a Greek and Asian theme or at least a few sets from each theme.

As for the Egyptian pyramid, it's an impressive looking set, but I don't plan on "using" it for anything except as a backdrop for dioramas.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 23, 2011, 22:59:44
HI

Just a heads up for Egyptian collectors. The Pyramid is on sale at TRU for 30% off to bring it down to $73. Our local store had 4 now 3  ;)

Rasputin "The Mad Monk"

Toys r us in canada have egyptians on sale too:

http://www.toysrus.ca/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3828793 (http://www.toysrus.ca/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3828793)

at least the temple and the sphinx.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Wesley Myers on January 23, 2011, 23:09:46
The latter might have brought in the girls, although I agree with Wesley that the knights, pirates, and Romans probably only appeal to boys and they have no interest in domestic items.

Like Martin, I too hold out hope for a Greek and Asian theme or at least a few sets from each theme.

As for the Egyptian pyramid, it's an impressive looking set, but I don't plan on "using" it for anything except as a backdrop for dioramas.

I would like to see domestic items for boys - like Playmobil used to have with the medieval sets.  I think the company is underestimating the creativity of boys.

I too would have loved expansions from ds.  I'm still waiting for the straight wall expansion for the arena for chariot racing ...
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Justindo on January 23, 2011, 23:31:27
I would like to see domestic items for boys - like Playmobil used to have with the medieval sets.  I think the company is underestimating the creativity of boys.

I too would have loved expansions from ds.  I'm still waiting for the straight wall expansion for the arena for chariot racing ...

You may be right about their underestimate, Wesley.

And a straight wall expansion would be great and only require a single mould to be created!
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 23, 2011, 23:58:07
Yes, this forum illustrates very well how creative "boys" can be! There are a lot of men here who do fantastic customizations of victorian dollhouses, hospitals, woodframe houses, castles, firehouses, etc.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Hadoque on January 24, 2011, 02:45:21
To go back to the original question in this thread;
the Roman & Egyptian sets are put together in one theme because the Roman theme was thinned out so seriously that ultimately only the galley wasn't discontinued. Now the Egypt-theme was just discontinued as well, so on the German / Benelux-website the Roman / Egyptian leftovers (DS) are also mixed as one theme...
You guys in the rest of the world still have the rest of the year left to get the Egyptian sets you want.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: PrimusPilus on January 27, 2011, 15:52:28
At least for me, the Romans is exactly what got me back into PM again after 37 years. It's really sad to see that Geobra will no longer "support" the theme, but I can easily understand the reasoning behind why they axed the theme (the same goes for the Egyptians).

Let's face it, of every $100 spent on PM around the world, how much do you think is spent by adults like us? Five bucks at best? I would wager it would be a lot less then that overall. And for young kids, the big majority of the target audience for PM that were not exposed to Romans or Egyptians in the real world, these themes are NOT interesting. Why is the Pirates theme a big hit? Because of Pirates of the Caribbean. As much as I enjoyed 300, my 4 yo will only watch it many years from now, so what he knows about Greeks and Spartans is exactly zilch. But if you ask him about Romans, he knows the difference between a centurion and a decanus, but that's because I've read to him every single Asterix book every night. But even among the Roman lovers here on the boards, who reads Asterix to their kids  :-\?

If kids don't get exposed to the theme through some form of media they like (TV, movies or books), they will have no  interest in having toys in that theme. Geobra wants to make money, so they produce what sells. Geobra could start making Roman forts and houses and war machines and new siege towers, and the theme still would not be a hit. If it doesn't sell, and here we're talking about at least 95% of the public who buys PM, they will not produce that specific theme.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 27, 2011, 16:45:30
I do not agree that some silly movie was the reason the pirate theme was and had been so popular for so many years. The movie only came out recently and the theme has been a staple of Playmobil very early on in its history.  I do agree about the books. How many kids books glamorize pirates versus how many do the same for romans. Out of the hundreds of books we have and read to our kids at bed time there is a large percentage of books that have pirate adventures in them. I do not know a single one that sensationalizes Roman times. I will look into the one (Asterix ) you mentioned.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 27, 2011, 16:52:58
I think Pirates of the Carribean keeps today's kids interested in pirates right now, just like several versions of Treasure Island kept me interested in pirates as a kid. Pirates have been a long-standing staple because there are so many pirate movies out there for kids, and books too, but for most kids these days, it's movies. The Pirates of the Carribean movies are the latest ones, which is why everyone keeps mentioning them specifically.  ;)
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 27, 2011, 16:56:17
I think Pirates of the Carribean keeps today's kids interested in pirates right now, just like several versions of Treasure Island kept me interested in pirates as a kid. Pirates have been a long-standing staple because there are so many pirate movies out there for kids, and books too, but for most kids these days, it's movies. The Pirates of the Carribean movies are the latest ones, which is why everyone keeps mentioning them specifically.  ;)

How many pirate movies are there, apart from the POTC series? When I was growing up in the early 80s there was only one pirate film worthy of note, made by Polanski, but apart from that, nothing. And yet, the pirate theme was massive. Same for the knights theme. Looking back I can only remember a handful of knights films.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 27, 2011, 16:58:58
Well, we had about 4 versions of Treasure Island, seriously. There was an animated version, One from disney with real actors (my favorite) another more grown-up version, and later Muppet Treasure Island. And of course there was Peter Pan and Hook.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: tonguello on January 27, 2011, 17:05:28
and guys of my generation wouldn't forget THE GOONIES.  :love:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 27, 2011, 17:05:34
Mmm. I remember an animated Treasure Island too. This one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk8VT5BsUfc&feature=related

Then there was also Monkey Island. But still, as somebody said, Asterix has always been massive in Europe, and Asterix = Romans, so ...
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: bonniebeth on January 27, 2011, 17:07:43
And then there was Treasure Planet a little later. i was older then though. Anyone remember that one?
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: PrimusPilus on January 27, 2011, 17:58:37
Treasure Planet (the animation) is one my favorite modern movies from Disney (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/luwerner/gif/thumbs-up.gif).

Don't think that it's just the movie, remember the flood of toys and merchandise that comes out whenever a new Disney feature goes to the big screen. And look at Ben 10, in the small screen: IMO a poor and silly cartoon, but any kid in the world knows who the character is. So even if we "only have" POTC recently, it made a huge impact all over the world.

And for those who don't know Asterix yet, take a look here (http://www.asterix.com/). The movies are pretty lame, but the books are fantastic. The worse part is that even after almost 30 years since I first read the books I still laugh at some of the jokes  :P  :love:.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 27, 2011, 18:22:22


Don't think that it's just the movie, remember the flood of toys and merchandise that comes out whenever a new Disney feature goes to the big screen. And look at Ben 10, in the small screen: IMO a poor and silly cartoon, but any kid in the world knows who the character is. So even if we "only have" POTC recently, it made a huge impact all over the world.



I would say that every kid in the world knows of pirates or at least the concept of them but only kids who watch TV know about this ben 10. Disney is just some corporation now that is all about mass marketing trends . Most of the new material is here today and thankfully in the trash tomorrow. It was different when Walt was there but now  :eh?: We will not even let our kids watch most of it due to its moral compass gone astray. Playmobil (at least used to) try to have a universal innocent appeal that any kid (in their target market) could recognize and relate to over many generations.

I would hate to see Playmobil take the same path as lego or disney and sell out to short lived trends

Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 27, 2011, 18:25:52
Would you expand on the moral compass bit? Im curious ...
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Rasputin on January 27, 2011, 18:32:23
Would you expand on the moral compass bit? Im curious ...

Yes I will send you a PM later to not distract to non Playmobil subjects  :)9

I want to go look at more of the neat new sets  :confetti:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Bolingbroke on January 27, 2011, 18:37:42
Yes I will send you a PM later to not distract to non Playmobil subjects  :)9

I want to go look at more of the neat new sets  :confetti:
;D

Been going in and out of that PDF link all afternoon. I can't wait for September/October  ::)
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: WarriorOfToys on January 27, 2011, 19:29:40
Treasure Planet (the animation) is one my favorite modern movies from Disney (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/luwerner/gif/thumbs-up.gif).

Don't think that it's just the movie, remember the flood of toys and merchandise that comes out whenever a new Disney feature goes to the big screen. And look at Ben 10, in the small screen: IMO a poor and silly cartoon, but any kid in the world knows who the character is. So even if we "only have" POTC recently, it made a huge impact all over the world.

And for those who don't know Asterix yet, take a look here (http://www.asterix.com/). The movies are pretty lame, but the books are fantastic. The worse part is that even after almost 30 years since I first read the books I still laugh at some of the jokes  :P  :love:.

I love Asterix! ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: Ds dad on January 27, 2011, 20:02:35
So do I and D does do, although I struggle with whether it is "age appropriate". I think the answer is no. but I let him watch anyway.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: PrimusPilus on January 27, 2011, 20:06:36
When I read it to my son, I usually "translate" a lot of stuff, since most of the jokes would be lost on him. Still, he loves it to death though he thinks Cleopatra is Julius Cesar girlfriend  :-[.
Title: Re: Rome-Egypt
Post by: WarriorOfToys on January 27, 2011, 20:15:09
When I read it to my son, I usually "translate" a lot of stuff, since most of the jokes would be lost on him. Still, he loves it to death though he thinks Cleopatra is Julius Cesar girlfriend  :-[.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That is cute. ;D