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Title: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 17, 2010, 18:44:51
from what material was made the sea on the old boxes and katalogs??enjoy the art of playmobil at those years!!

 
 http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3551.jpg
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/attack.gif

 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/pirateship.gif
 
http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/night.gif
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/sunrise.gif
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/schooner.gif
 
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 17, 2010, 19:58:28
These are indeed great pictures alexi!!! Perhaps you will find some answers in  http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=4071.0 
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 17, 2010, 20:10:47
that was an intresting discussion but it's refering to how amateurs can make water surface !!i'am asking with what material did those people use for making the water for the boxes such as the water for the box of the ships 3550 3551 etc. and for katalogs
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 17, 2010, 20:29:47
the water on these boxes was probably made with a kind of material similar to kitchen foil ...not the aluminium one, the see through membrane one...glued on a blue surface to make it look as moving water...
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 17, 2010, 20:55:14
really  :o :o :o :o has the kitchen foiil sutch results i thought it is ice in some boxes
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 17, 2010, 21:57:49
Have a look at this diorama. Its posted on another thread, connot remember which one. I kept it as a point of reference for one of my projects...
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 17, 2010, 23:17:02
i've seen that photo was it from the forum? i don't remember where have i seen it   :eh?: :eh?: it is a little amateur though
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 17, 2010, 23:21:41
it is like the sea from that strange version of 3550 disscussing in an other topic and this  sea has an amateur look for a box http://cgi.ebay.com/536-playmobil-piraten-boot-3550-OVP-RARE_W0QQitemZ160417324459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_123?hash=item25599e1dab
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: skypurr on April 18, 2010, 00:54:43
the water on these boxes was probably made with a kind of material similar to kitchen foil ...not the aluminium one, the see through membrane one...glued on a blue surface to make it look as moving water...

I think you may mean 'cling film'  used to cover left over food etc.
To me the first picture looks like scrunched up cellophane!

Elaine

Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on April 18, 2010, 15:49:40
I personally dont like this.. I think its much neater and better looking to use blue cloth on a surface ( like the typ eof cloth used in pool tables) for example rather than this ...  :)
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 15:54:00
I personally dont like this.. I think its much neater and better looking to use blue cloth on a surface ( like the typ eof cloth used in pool tables) for example rather than this ...  :)


 you don't like the method they used to the boxes or to the picture that wolf night posted?
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 18, 2010, 16:47:13
I think you may mean 'cling film'  used to cover left over food etc.
To me the first picture looks like scrunched up cellophane!

Yes thats it Elaine, cling film, thank you.
Cellophane?!?!? Might be...

Giorginetto is right...It looks much better to place a blue cloth to create the diorama...
(i am planning  something involving ice...but i will also need to create smoke.....
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on April 18, 2010, 17:09:07


 you don't like the method they used to the boxes or to the picture that wolf night posted?

I think a blu cloth looks much neater and beater but that sof course a matter of opinion. Some \of the old playmobil dioramas look amazing even today but some others in my opinion have some details as this cling film sea effect that is not very nice... :)
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 17:10:31
ice is nice good looking but not  permanent and perhaps not safe for the toy  smoke you can use cotton for it see the  links http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3480.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.ch/Playmobil-Katalog-1987-88_W0QQitemZ220578633803QQihZ012QQcategoryZ2575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 http://www.sleeperbee.com.ar/images_esp/productos/playmobil/3485.jpg
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 17:14:07
I think a blu cloth looks much neater and beater but that sof course a matter of opinion. Some \of the old playmobil dioramas look amazing even today but some others in my opinion have some details as this cling film sea effect that is not very nice... :)

 you refer to 3551 ship's box i personally love it. the cloth is a little amateur not impressive for me as you said is what everybody likes!!!!
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 18, 2010, 17:29:48
ice is nice good looking but not  permanent and perhaps not safe for the toy  smoke you can use cotton for it see the  links

Sorry alexi but I've decided that when it comes to my projects and my dioramas i'll experiment so much i am prepeared to sacrifice a few playmobil parts.....too bad, but you cannot make an omelet without cracking some eggs....

I do not need the ice to be ermanent, just to shoot the pictures for the project...and we are not talking about fire smoke...more like mist smoke..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 18:11:40
it sounds intresting would you share it with us here when you make it?
 the kind of smoke you want must be real smoke i use burning sticks for making a nice atmosphere exept of the smell they make they produce a big amount of smoke if you use 3 of them let's say you can make the smoke you want with these .especially if you put them under a led light will show more here they are  http://www.agrariahome.com/images/P/Burning_Sticks_Lavender_Rosemary.jpg
 
 http://www.making-incense.com/images/burning%20char/burners.jpg

 don't look at the second picture's smoke it is a little but ussally it's 3x that smoke i use the celestian sense burning sticks they have the best results!!  or livani that use to funerals hope i helped
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 18, 2010, 19:24:50
Thank you for your suggestions alexi, but in this case i think dry ice is the answer..... ;) The project will take too long as i am planning it now for almost a year...
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 19:32:42
dry ice  :eh?:  what is this  ,for the smoke?
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmofire on April 18, 2010, 19:46:36
I'm not sure where the question of smoke came from (I've looked quickly through the topic but didn't see any reference to it until it just suddenly appeared), but it is possible to buy smoke "pills" from some toy or joke shops.  I have some but haven't tried them out yet, but if you wish, Wolf Knight, I'll try one and take some photos for you to see what the smoke looks like.
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 18, 2010, 20:07:43
one topic where wolf night was asking about the ice and the smoke now that you say it i looked it and it's not there :o ?
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 18, 2010, 20:51:25
I'm not sure where the question of smoke came from (I've looked quickly through the topic but didn't see any reference to it until it just suddenly appeared), but it is possible to buy smoke "pills" from some toy or joke shops.  I have some but haven't tried them out yet, but if you wish, Wolf Knight, I'll try one and take some photos for you to see what the smoke looks like.

That would be very helpful! Thank you playmofire!!!
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on April 20, 2010, 13:43:16

Be very carefull all  :o :o.  in doors smokes, fires etc etc can be very dangerous. I wonder if the smoke pills would leave any residues on adjacent ceilings, walls etc etc  :o :o

 0)
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 20, 2010, 15:01:10
Be very carefull all  :o :o.  in doors smokes, fires etc etc can be very dangerous. I wonder if the smoke pills would leave any residues on adjacent ceilings, walls etc etc  :o :o

 0)
what are these smoke pills? with the berning sticks i mentiond above are very safe and leave the air clean in differance with the livani that makes a mist on the room after use,i don't know what are the smoke pills???
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on April 20, 2010, 16:06:23
what are these smoke pills? with the berning sticks i mentiond above are very safe and leave the air clean in differance with the livani that makes a mist on the room after use,i don't know what are the smoke pills???

I havent seen any smoke pills in Greece, they were available in dress up/ joke shops in the uk . If these are what i am talking about you light them and lots ( i mean lots !!!) of smoke comes out of them .  ;)

Here is a link to what Sir wolf has in mind
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howtos/ht/nontoxicsmoke.htm
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on April 20, 2010, 16:19:26
aa i understand what he want's now this is alot of smoke can this cause any problems to people and how long does it last?
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on April 20, 2010, 16:28:07
Here is a link to what Sir wolf has in mind
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howtos/ht/nontoxicsmoke.htm


That is great Giorginetto!!! Exactly what i had in mind  :wow: :wow:!!! Thank very much!!! Very interesting and helpful on the precaution measures too!!! :)9 :)9 :)9
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on May 03, 2010, 10:48:05
That is great Giorginetto!!! Exactly what i had in mind  :wow: :wow:!!! Thank very much!!! Very interesting and helpful on the precaution measures too!!! :)9 :)9 :)9

Look forward to see your pics with this Sir Wolf ( and the mediaval steck huge collection you have ) ...  :wave:
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 03, 2010, 13:18:44
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3439/pict0009lu.jpg) (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/pict0009lu.jpg/)

You can also use a Halloween fog effect machine, as I did.
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 03, 2010, 14:28:57
hmm i thought of that too Bill...how much would it cost???
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Giorginetto on May 03, 2010, 18:23:10
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3439/pict0009lu.jpg) (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/pict0009lu.jpg/)

You can also use a Halloween fog effect machine, as I did.

This pic is awesome Bill  ;D
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: arab warrior on May 03, 2010, 21:09:51
from what material was made the sea on the old boxes and katalogs??enjoy the art of playmobil at those years!!

 
 http://www.collectobil.com/images/items/3551.jpg
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/attack.gif

 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/pirateship.gif
 
http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/night.gif
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/sunrise.gif
 
 http://www.gardenwargaming.com/pirates/images/schooner.gif
 

The first one is cellophane, not cling film (too soft) and the other ones are just real water and photo shop.
Look at the third link, the rowboat is sinking, but you can't see the part that is sunk??
The real sand on the beaches isn't wet, but the water looks so real, it's almost impossible to fake  waves like that!!

Rob
I will try to make a photo with some cling film and cellophane let's see what it looks like.


Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 04, 2010, 00:59:34
hmm i thought of that too Bill...how much would it cost???

I bought mine at KMart here in the USA for a reduced price of $25.00 in their after Halloween sale, brand new complete with a small bottle of fog solution! It works great for a fog that you want to lay close to the ground!
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Bill Blackhurst on May 04, 2010, 01:42:58
This pic is awesome Bill  ;D

Thank you Giorginetto!
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: playmo1989 on May 04, 2010, 16:00:47
The first one is cellophane, not cling film (too soft) and the other ones are just real water and photo shop.
Look at the third link, the rowboat is sinking, but you can't see the part that is sunk??
The real sand on the beaches isn't wet, but the water looks so real, it's almost impossible to fake  waves like that!!

Rob
I will try to make a photo with some cling film and cellophane let's see what it looks like.





 thank you rob
 
 i don't think it's water been photoshopped because in 1990 i don't think photoshop was existing what do you think?? the other thought that i made is it might be glue? waiting to see you sea photos!!!!!!
Title: Re: playmobil sea
Post by: Wolf Knight on May 04, 2010, 16:30:22
I will try to make a photo with some cling film and cellophane let's see what it looks like.

That sound sinteresting Rob.... :lens: