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Creative => How-To => Topic started by: Rasputin on October 12, 2009, 15:56:26
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Ok I looked and looked and just can not find it and it is driving me more nuts . There was somebody who mentioned a product that was not technically a glue but a weld . It would melt the Playmobil plastic and bond the broken surfaces together creating a strong union. It would be similar to PVC or ABS pipe fittings . I searched and I just can not remember the product name or how it was described :eh?: somebody help please :help: I have had such bad luck with two part epoxies that I want to try this other method .
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Perhaps it was this post?
The only way I could ever fix my big guys was to fuse the tears together using a product called Plastex. I had tried a number of methods to glue or "weld" the tears together but had little success. [Plastic welding is basically a pain in the derrier.] The plastic on these guys is very thin and the hardest part of mending them was to get the two sides to line up! If you are going to try to fix the big guy, Rasputin, I would give the Plastex a try. Chances are pretty good he will also need some interior reinforcement at the tears ... a good polyethylene or polystyrene sheet should do the trick. Just be forewarned, it is very delicate surgery and practicing with some other similar plastic before attempting klickly life-saving techniques is strongly recommended! Good Luck!
It's from your "big little pick me up" topic.
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Another possibility would be to use Polyweld.
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It must have been close to a year ago that the discussion took place . I will look at both those hints Those names do not sound familiar but the process sounds right . I kind of remember some odd name of the product 8}
Thank you Sylvia and Gordon :wow:
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Ok now I am annoyed . I found Gordon's steck modification tread and now searching for Polyweld only shows the above reference. :hissyfit:
I am starting to think it may have been on "the other forum" and now is lost forever :doh:
EDIT: Ah ha I never knew the search function only searches the pages that you are looking at :-[
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I hadn't realised that either, Ras, but here's the thread:
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=2183.0
and another with a reference to Polyweld
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=220.0
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Thank you Gordon :wow:
I found this from a local store in the statesTap Plastics (http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=435&)
it said this
"TAP Poly-Weld Adhesive: Imagine being able to structurally bond Polyethylene!!! This has been virtually impossible in the past. Now, with a simple flame treatment and Poly-Weld, one can create strong joints on Low, Medium, or High Density Polyethylene. The famous marine Seaboard®, also a polyethylene blend, can now be joined with Poly-Weld! Use for tank, door, pipe, irrigation, pond, marine, float, & automotive body repairs. Also bonds polypropylene, ABS, PVC, ceramics, rubber, fiberglass, metals, and glass. Exterior-rated. Non-sag formula. "
Does that sound close to what you use?
I wonder what "flame treatment " means ?
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Thank you Gordon :wow:
I found this from a local store in the statesTap Plastics (http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=435&)
it said this
"TAP Poly-Weld Adhesive: Imagine being able to structurally bond Polyethylene!!! This has been virtually impossible in the past. Now, with a simple flame treatment and Poly-Weld, one can create strong joints on Low, Medium, or High Density Polyethylene. The famous marine Seaboard®, also a polyethylene blend, can now be joined with Poly-Weld! Use for tank, door, pipe, irrigation, pond, marine, float, & automotive body repairs. Also bonds polypropylene, ABS, PVC, ceramics, rubber, fiberglass, metals, and glass. Exterior-rated. Non-sag formula. "
Does that sound close to what you use?
I wonder what "flame treatment " means ?
I'll get back to you on this, Ras, as it doesn't sound familiar!
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Oooooooooooooooops! The glue I use isn't Polyweld, it's Plastic Weld! :-[ :-[ :-[
It can be used for styrene, butyrate, ABS, acrylic (Lucite or Plexiglas), and perspex, both alone (e.g. styrene to styrene) or in combinations (e.g. styrene to ABS). ABS ideally needs a light sand on the areas to be joined.
Actually, the glue I most use is Devcon two-pack 5 minute clear as this can easily be taken apart if I get it wrong(!) and it doesn't damage the surface if it gets where it shouldn't. (If you're using a two-pack like Devcon and it gets where it shouldn't, for example oozes out from a joint when positioning it, a small amount of liquid soap on a cotton wool bud rubbed onto the glue that's oozed out will stop it setting and it can then be wiped off with a damp cloth when the joint has set fully.
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I use Plastic Weld...it is a product by Plastruct.
I think I must have used it on Playmobil projects.
I use it a lot on 1/6 scale armor...I'll try it for sure
tonight on some Playmobil pieces :yup:
:2c:
Jimbo
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The stuff I am looking into should be the type of agent that melts or softens the plastic.
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The stuff I am looking into should be the type of agent that melts or softens the plastic.
Plast Weld does that, although on ABS (e.g. Playmobil) it helps to lightly sand the surfaces to be joined where this is possible, just enough to remove the shine. The instructions say it "dissolves a thin film on each surface to be joined and then evaporates very quickly to form a welded joint...as strong as the surrounding plastic".
When using liquid glues such as Plast Weld, I've found it handy to stand the bottle of glue in another, wider container so it is less prone to tip over if you catch the top of the glue bottle or the handle of a brush standing in the glue.
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Gordon, a Google search of "Plast Weld" does not seem to show any products . Google wants to rename the search "plastic weld" and that is completely different
Could you please show what brand or a picture perhaps of the product or even a link ? thanks
Do you think it is similar to Jimbo's Plastruct (http://www.plastruct.com/pages/CementGuide.html) I am still trying to figure out which product will work best 1-PLASTIC WELD CEMENT,or 2-BONDENE CEMENT . they both say ABS
This company also has a big catalog of building parts :hmm:
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Gordon, a Google search of "Plast Weld" does not seem to show any products . Google wants to rename the search "plastic weld" and that is completely different
Could you please show what brand or a picture perhaps of the product or even a link ? thanks
Do you think it is similar to Jimbo's Plastruct (http://www.plastruct.com/pages/CementGuide.html) I am still trying to figure out which product will work best 1-PLASTIC WELD CEMENT,or 2-BONDENE CEMENT . they both say ABS
This company also has a big catalog of building parts :hmm:
Apologies again, it is called Plastic Weld and it is marketed in the UK by EMA Model Supplies. Looking at Google, what is shown there so far isn't what I have! I'll get more info and a picture up.
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Ras, I can't find a picture but in the Hobby's catalogue I have it's code is PPC2 and it appears with the Plastruct products, so I think the link below is what you want
http://www.plastruct.com/Pages/OnlineProductDetail.lasso?-op=%27eq%27&CCode=PPC-2
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Ok I went to a local toy, well more like a hobby or model shop and they had Plastruct, Plastic Weld, General purpose plastic solvent cement made form trichloromethane
I will start trying it soon on other types of plastic to get the hang of it then off to the Playmobil . The stuff was only $4.50 for 2 Fl. Oz. and a little is all it takes so I think a bottle should last a long time.
The only problem is that now I have a new store with loads of Playmobil to go to :lol: It is some kind of Franchise (http://www.hobbytown.com/)
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Ok I went to a local toy, well more like a hobby or model shop and they had Plastruct, Plastic Weld, General purpose plastic solvent cement made form trichloromethane
That is the stuff I use..also there is a similar "glue" called TENAX-7R (www.tenax-7r.com).
Plastruct, Plastic Weld is my first choice :yup: I use a small sable artist type brush to
apply the stuff..the one in the bottle is kinda large for detail work. The glue is very thin,
and can get all over things in a hurry.
Happy "welding"
Jimbo
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Ok here is my first test run with the Plastruct that you recommended . It was a clean break and after I welded it, I lightly sanded .
I loaded a big picture so you could see . Can you find the break ?
(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7822/p1010002gs.jpg) (http://img79.imageshack.us/i/p1010002gs.jpg/)
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Nicely done Rasputin! I don't see any obvious break and would just be guessing, we'll see how it holds up once dry.
Gepetto
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I pulled and pushed on it pretty hard and it is holding great . I feel if I were too stress it any more an unbroken one would snap under this load . In conclusion, it is really strong, a lot stronger than the 2 part, 2 ton, $20, Devcon, crystal clear, 30 min. Epoxy . I guess the only way to really see how strong, would be to put it back on the gate and get the battering ram out and let the viking have a go at it
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It certainly looks good, Ras.
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Great weld job Ras. :yup: I'm glad the Plastruct worked for you!
Best regards,
Jimbo
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Thank you Gordon and Jimbo with out your knowledgeable help I would have had a hard time figuring out what product to use, and it is so easy :wow:
I now have my back log of broken parts that I am going to be able to fix and will not have to worry about them breaking again from simple movements .
Here is the part again and the 2 arrows indicate where the break was
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3672/break1.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/break1.jpg/)
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Only too pleased to have been of help, Ras. And thanks for showing where the break was - I was completely wrong in my guess - I thought it was along the faint "cracks" to the left of the arrows.
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That is where I thought it was! But good job on the mend.
Gepetto
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That is where I thought it was! But good job on the mend.
Gepetto
You must know here the weak point is from all the gates you batter down while singing “When the Cockleshell Shatters and the Hammers Batter Down the Door” :P