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General => News => Topic started by: leefert on September 19, 2016, 11:33:16

Title: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: leefert on September 19, 2016, 11:33:16
The licensing adventure seems to have taken another turn with the addition on How To Train Your Dragon coming in 2017 (found on their FB page)

I'm kind of interested in Toothless

At least this line is more relevant to children
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bonniebeth on September 19, 2016, 14:50:07
Ok, so I have always been kind of against the licensing thing, but I am REALLY excited about this!!!! I LOVE How to Train Your Dragon, and this might actually get Playmobil into the hands of children and make it more popular. As long as they keep doing non-licensed themes too, it may be a good thing.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bogol on September 19, 2016, 15:30:13
So it's official: the Ghostbusters line was not some weird exception to the rule, but geobra will venture full-heartedly into the world of licensing. On PM's FB page people also suggested to make Hobbit, Harry Potter and Star Wars products to which the admins replied:

"We hope to select further suitable licenses in the future and will of course keep you posted about new development here on our Facebook page!"

I still don't know whether I shall be happy or worried about this development. This is no longer Horst Brandstätter's company, that's for sure.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: The_Mad_Hadder on September 19, 2016, 15:38:37
It will be like Lego, The items that sell will be the ones they keep putting on the shelf.

Say good bye to anything not a license. I remember when Lego used to have all sorts of in house made items with their own ideas and brands. Now when you go into a toy store it is Lego Harry Potter, Star Wars, Minions ect and very few random lego sets. The kids dont want it, they want to play with what they are watching on tv.

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Redmao on September 19, 2016, 19:10:55
Licensing is what saved Lego in the 90's, so I doubt that it'll hurt Playmobil since their own themes are already a success.
The addition of popular characters into the various Playmo-themes will be fun and might bring in more kids who were not interested into the brand before.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on September 19, 2016, 19:37:53
Well... makes more sense than Ghostbusters (as would MOST things)... and... VIKINGS!

(MORE dragons?! where in Tartarus will I fit more dragons!?)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Oliver on September 19, 2016, 20:31:48
Licensing is what saved Lego in the 90's, so I doubt that it'll hurt Playmobil since their own themes are already a success.
The addition of popular characters into the various Playmo-themes will be fun and might bring in more kids who were not interested into the brand before.

Star Wars did save Lego, but their problem was that they didn't know their cost base and had allowed the rest of their stuff to stray from their core brand. Plus Star Wars seems to have a fan base willing to spend almost limitless sums on merchandise.

Having said that, this does feel more 'on brand' than Ghostbusters, and at least it's something that children will understand.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bonniebeth on September 19, 2016, 20:36:22
Lego still makes some non licensed themes, like forest themes, city, police, and fire. What has suffered is any type of "warrior" theme. You don't see pirates, knights, etc. without them being licensed now usually.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: leefert on September 19, 2016, 21:11:53

(MORE dragons?! where in Tartarus will I fit more dragons!?)


RIDEABLE Dragons!

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Tiermann on September 19, 2016, 21:19:15
Maybe it will balance the overabundance of unicorns?

I do think it is a better fit since it fits nicely into an existing theme world - Vikings.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: leefert on September 19, 2016, 22:15:32
Maybe it will balance the overabundance of unicorns?

I do think it is a better fit since it fits nicely into an existing theme world - Vikings.

Exactly! It could bring the Viking line back into the mainstream, there are a ton of nice sets in the Viking line.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Klickteryx on September 19, 2016, 22:40:20
Do Vikings appear much in Europe in pop culture?
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on September 20, 2016, 08:23:46
Is it only me, or is anyone else feeling a bit insulted that this news was not shared on PCC before (or even at the same time as) Facebook? But I am not a fan of Facebook, so I will not be looking there for further revelations...
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on September 20, 2016, 09:49:18
Is it only me, or is anyone else feeling a bit insulted that this news was not shared on PCC before (or even at the same time as) Facebook? But I am not a fan of Facebook, so I will not be looking there for further revelations...

Always. It totally boggles mind. WHY drive traffic to a 3rd party site?

And I STILL can't access the pcc  :'(
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: leefert on September 20, 2016, 11:21:23
Is it only me, or is anyone else feeling a bit insulted that this news was not shared on PCC before (or even at the same time as) Facebook? But I am not a fan of Facebook, so I will not be looking there for further revelations...

Yes, I thought it odd and disappointing at the same time. But then I understand with the fact that some idiots spoil it by spreading the news. At least a simultaneous release with the PCC, I feel like we deserve that much.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bogol on September 20, 2016, 13:17:18
I complained at PCC and received the following answer:

"Hi bogol - this information was posted on all our channels, including the PCC at the very same time (September 19, 1:00  pm). All press and communication releases are timed in line with our licensing contract, so in this instance a preview is not possible."

Although I am sure I haven't seen the Dragon information on PCC after it was already public on FB, I believe them. Maybe a technical problem (tahra can't even access the website)?
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Redmao on September 20, 2016, 15:36:53
These will fit quite nicely with the Knights, Vikings and other "historical" themes.
I could even picture Hiccup and the gang traveling to the world of ancient Egypt or Rome. :)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on September 20, 2016, 16:45:38
I complained at PCC and received the following answer:

"Hi bogol - this information was posted on all our channels, including the PCC at the very same time (September 19, 1:00  pm). All press and communication releases are timed in line with our licensing contract, so in this instance a preview is not possible."

Although I am sure I haven't seen the Dragon information on PCC after it was already public on FB, I believe them. Maybe a technical problem (tahra can't even access the website)?

Thanks for that bogol. I probably could have seen it on PCC at the same time as it was released on FB, but the PCC site isn't one I visit very often because its so...... well, you know (mutter, mutter)....
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Tiermann on September 20, 2016, 17:30:34
It was on the public front page of the PCC site yesterday. If you are going into the members only section directly you may have missed it. If you go to PCC.pm it's right there as the featured blog post.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bogol on September 20, 2016, 20:02:12
Hi Tim! Thank you for this information, this solves the puzzle. I always go to the members section directly. Funny to learn that the important news are right there in the public part. :)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 21, 2016, 11:09:27
I'm not thrilled with the advent of license sets, but since it seems inevitable, I have to say this is a fairly good choice.  It's an age-appropriate set of movies, and they're actually not terrible (strong female characters, no pink, not too much bathroom humor). If my niece is still a fan by then, I foresee some dragons in our future. I've considered getting Playmo dragons for her anyway, but tigers and leopards won out this year. 
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on September 21, 2016, 11:37:42
Wasn't the series cancelled though?

It's 2 movies plus the series, right? (4 seasons)

Maybe I should have another go at it...
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Birdie on September 21, 2016, 17:20:14
I'm not thrilled with the advent of license sets, but since it seems inevitable, I have to say this is a fairly good choice.  It's an age-appropriate set of movies, and they're actually not terrible (strong female characters, no pink, not too much bathroom humor). If my niece is still a fan by then, I foresee some dragons in our future. I've considered getting Playmo dragons for her anyway, but tigers and leopards won out this year.

Agreed! I look forward to more Vikings and more cool dragons  :)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: MauraDog on September 22, 2016, 16:28:24
I wonder why they chose a series/movie that is past its prime. Maybe there will be an upcoming movie. I will definitely enjoy dragons more than ghosts and NHL figures.

No more bragging to my friends and family about Playmobil not selling out and giving identities to the characters like Lego began to do with StarWars. Playmobil has remained the second most popular toy without using characters and themes from popular movies and series. I'm a bit disappointed.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Redmao on September 22, 2016, 19:37:02
With a 3rd movie coming out in Spring 2018, they might release these sets just in time.
The trailer of this upcoming movie might be the perfect commercial to push these sets around the Holiday season.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bogol on September 22, 2016, 19:38:36
I wonder why they chose a series/movie that is past its prime.
Well, talk about Ghostbusters. The successful movies are like 30 years old and the far-from-successful sequel will be already one year old when the sets are going to be released - sets of the 30-year-old stuff, that is.

Maybe there will be an upcoming movie. I will definitely enjoy dragons more than ghosts and NHL figures.
Yes, part 3 of HTTYD is scheduled for 2018. So Playmobil will already be there when the youngest viewers will see the movie for the first time.

No more bragging to my friends and family about Playmobil not selling out and giving identities to the characters like Lego began to do with StarWars. Playmobil has remained the second most popular toy without using characters and themes from popular movies and series. I'm a bit disappointed.
For me it's weird and unusual to see geobra go into licensing but as long as it is just an addition to regular PM I don't mind. If it strengthens geobra's economical position it's also good for us customers. I just hope that they will get this licensing thing right. Ghostbusters seems to be such a bad decision, the Dragons are a much better choice but still... if they lose money with these products instead of earning more, then licensed products will soon be wiped from the shelves again.

I never minded the "real world" licenses though, like the Porsches or the NHL players (or the DHL delivery car or the Lufthansa airplane or the Roncalli Circus). Those add a nice touch of realism to CityLife themes. But fictional licenses are probably way more expensive and more likely to fail. Let's see.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 23, 2016, 13:33:08
I wonder why they chose a series/movie that is past its prime. Maybe there will be an upcoming movie. I will definitely enjoy dragons more than ghosts and NHL figures.

No more bragging to my friends and family about Playmobil not selling out and giving identities to the characters like Lego began to do with StarWars. Playmobil has remained the second most popular toy without using characters and themes from popular movies and series. I'm a bit disappointed.

maybe the rights were cheaper. i'm sure they are.

as to pm being the second most popular toy, according to which survey?

looking forward to seeing how these turn out. not a fan of the cartoon, but it might point to the general direction PM will be taking licensing-wise. im still keeping my fingers crossed for star wars.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Oliver on September 23, 2016, 16:00:23

as to pm being the second most popular toy, according to which survey?


I have a feeling that Playmobil is the second highest selling toy in Germany/the Benelux countries, but I've no figures to back that up - I just think I read it somewhere.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 23, 2016, 16:26:55
ah, that qualifies it better :)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: MauraDog on September 23, 2016, 17:06:24

as to pm being the second most popular toy, according to which survey?


I am looking forward to the turnout too. If it makes Playmobil more available in retail stores from now on I am ecstatic.

I was surprised to hear that Playmobil is 2nd after LEGO but I read that recently on Gizmodo it said, "Second only to Lego as one of the world’s most popular toys, Playmobil has always ..." and I said practically the same thing to someone in an email many months ago and worded it similiarly so it must have been on the Encyclopedia page for some time that PM is 2nd in the world.

Because I can't promise you that Gizmodo is as credible as they sound ;)
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-original-ghostbusters-will-be-playmobils-first-lice-1782348160
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 23, 2016, 18:26:19
you can't really gauge popularity - PM is basically unkown in the US, Asia etc.

what you can measure is sales, and there, globally, PM is nowhere near the top three.

what 'second after lego' probably means is 'second fiddle', which is closer to the truth. anyway, let's hope this licensing lark is a game changer for PM cause doldrums doesnt even begin to describe their current situation.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: bogol on September 23, 2016, 20:14:54
what you can measure is sales, and there, globally, PM is nowhere near the top three.

Here's some figures I found (worldwide sales of toy makers in 2014):

1. Mattel (€ 6,200m)
2. Hasbro (€ 4,000m)
3. LEGO (€ 3,800m)
4. Simba-Dickie (€ 602m)
5. Playmobil (€ 535m)

LEGO has obviously still been #1 in 2013 and took back Hasbro's place in 2015. PM seems to be a steady #5. Places 6 through 10 are all occupied by smaller German companies.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 24, 2016, 11:30:02
I seem to remember Playmobil being #1 in France and #2 in Germany. In the US, it exists in the vague recesses of people's memories.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on September 24, 2016, 18:26:20
In the US, it exists in the vague recesses of people's memories.

Don't people say "It's like Lego isn't it?
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: cheng on September 24, 2016, 23:39:16
Don't people say "It's like Lego isn't it?

sounds as though they have at least heard of it....as for me....since I (live in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia) started collecting PM, nobody I know (parents/kids) knows what playmobil is (except for a friend who bought them for their kids when they lived in HK) ....every few years, a new importer brings in PM, and they languish on shelves until their shelves slowly get taken over by other toys, just to suddenly disappear when they give up the agency (I've never seen any PM clearance, I think the remnants of the stocks goes to another distributor/dealer in a nearby Asian country)

'How to train your dragon' is long forgotten here, unless they continue to have successful sequels, this franchise will not make any mother/kids rush to whoever is left selling PM now (Hamleys, with shrinking shelf space) ::)
...I do understand, we are not in Geobra's marketing plans, not enough rich parents here :P
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 25, 2016, 08:46:47
Don't people say "It's like Lego isn't it?

I haven't gotten that comment yet.

I remember when Playmobil used to be in small toy shops. It definitely has less brick-and-mortar presence in the US now. I wonder if some people think it's no longer around because they never see it.

Did PM say when the HTTYD sets are coming out in export markets? It just said 2017, but I'm guessing that is for Germany.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 25, 2016, 09:16:06
logic would dictate that if it's a licensed product meant to tie in with the release of a movie, it would be released at the same time in all markets (case in point, sep 30 worldwide for the star wars rogue one sets). might not be the case with a company as pigheaded as PM but we'll have to see.

one thing that's certain is that licensed sets are more expensive than unlicensed ones. has to be seen what kind of price hikes we'll see. currently with lego star wars, 4 fig entry level sets cost -7 euro, small sets around 35, with the bigger ones costing more than a 100.

i would certainly pay a hundred for a playmobil star wars tie fighter, and judging by lego star wars sales on similary priced sets, i am not the only one.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on September 25, 2016, 15:26:22
I haven't gotten that comment yet.

I was quoting Rasputin, who has said several times on this Forum that people often think PM is basically the same as Lego.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Salamander on September 25, 2016, 17:35:21
Whoops, not really on topic, deleted!
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Macruran on September 26, 2016, 08:19:55
I've gotten (GOTTEN) the "is that L*go?" before. Not often though, because I don't show my stuff to many people  ;D

I appreciate that the Gnomes are trying out new things but I agree with bogol, the "real world" licenses (Porsche, NHL, DHL) are acceptable but the "media property" ones feel off. PM spent decades fighting against licensing, so to turn the cheek now is like...I dunno, Sanders going for Clinton, or Cruz for Trump!  ;D Sellout, basically. If it works, great, but the brand is diminished. If it fails, the brand is still diminished.

PM's strength has been its "real world" connection. Construction, Indians, knights, cops...Victorians, safari, schools, shops...I dunno, I am no marketting executive but I feel they are missing their true calling. They do ghostbusters before they do Don Quixote... O0
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 26, 2016, 10:14:58
I was quoting Rasputin, who has said several times on this Forum that people often think PM is basically the same as Lego.
Yes, I remember that. I hang out with weird people, so maybe I'd hear it if I lived more in the real world.

I've gotten (GOTTEN) the "is that L*go?" before. Not often though, because I don't show my stuff to many people  ;D
...

PM's strength has been its "real world" connection. Construction, Indians, knights, cops...Victorians, safari, schools, shops...I dunno, I am no marketting executive but I feel they are missing their true calling. They do ghostbusters before they do Don Quixote... O0
You've just made me question my use of "gotten" lol. Apparently, it's quite an old form that is still in use in America, but not in England.

I'm not sure Don Quixote is quite real world, but I would support classic literature sets. Plus, they'd be cheaper than licensing. I don't particularly care for the Porsche and NHL sets, but they don't seem quite as shattering as movie licenses. I suppose it's because if children have a Porsche or even Marco Polo, they would still make up their own stories. I'm worried that movie and tv licenses would just produce children acting out the show plot lines and not using their creativity because children's movies/shows are so pervasive. And they're not educational in the way a historical or cultural set would be.

logic would dictate that if it's a licensed product meant to tie in with the release of a movie, it would be released at the same time in all markets (case in point, sep 30 worldwide for the star wars rogue one sets). might not be the case with a company as pigheaded as PM but we'll have to see.
Yeah, logic would also dictate that they wouldn't choose a 30(?)-year-old movie for their first pop culture license, but they did, so I'm not assuming anything. What's a few months compared to a few decades?
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Erik on September 26, 2016, 10:28:09
I've got a rather big Playmobil collection, with some rare pieces in it that I wouldn't want to get lost or damaged, so when friends come over we break out the so-called "visitors' play-boxes", a huge pile of plastic containers with all kinds of sets and bits and pieces in them.
When you go check on the playing kids after a while, you WILL see an armoured knight driving a police car taking an Indian to the hospital...
Now THAT's Playmobil for me, not heavy priced licenses, but "make your own story" stuff.But maybe I'm old fashioned, that could be.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 26, 2016, 10:45:47
my dad used to play with a piece of string all day. the fun! how about breaking out some string next time you have visitors?  ;D

things change, fashions change. give this licencing project a chance. my favourite playmobil is from the 90s, i hate most of everything that's been released after that, but i vote with my wallet. i don't like it, i don't buy it. even if playmobil never make another set i like, there will still be many many sets i find beautiful (and which i mostly own ...).

we'll have to see who is being targeted with the ghostbusters sets. im sure there's a market for ghostbusters, there's so much merchandise around, someone must be buying it. lego has a 400 euro ghostbusters firehouse in it's current line-up. it's moving, believe it or not. if they want to target adults with a thirst for nostalgia and deep pockets, then i will be the last to grumble about it. about time, i say.

sometimes it seems to me that you guys are happy being fans of an increasingly-obscure toy, just for the heck of it, cause it's cooler, irrespective of whatever the company, and potential fans, are set to gain from a change in direction.

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 26, 2016, 12:16:33
We don't need to give licensing a chance because we've already seen what it has done to Lego. Lots of $. Much less creativity. There's a Lego section in the arts and crafts display at our local state fair for kids to show off their Lego creations. There's a marked difference in creativity between those kids who have non-licensed sets and those who have licensed sets. Many of the kids with Star Wars sets just recreated the picture on the box, rather than making their own thing.

I'm looking at this from more of an educational point of view than a collector's. The skills children learn from building things and creating stories absolutely carry over into their future careers. Personally, I'm actually kind of interested in HTTYD sets, but I am worried that they'll get carried away with licensing.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 26, 2016, 12:24:34
anectdotal evidence isn't worth much at the end of the day. i could tell you that i see a lot of people coming up with amazing creations with lego. the sky's pretty much the limit. pm, on the other hand, you get some nice historical dioaramas and customs from adult collectors, but let's not exaggerate. i mean, even in here, people are always moaning about the lack of customising and building potential.

i can't understand the doom and gloom. i have a massive pm collection, and an equally massive lego collection, and i fail to see how playmobil is that much better than lego because 'pm doesn't do licensing'. there are a million lego non-licensed sets that sell well and make children happy, which is what counts at the end of the day.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Erik on September 26, 2016, 22:34:03
my dad used to play with a piece of string all day. the fun! how about breaking out some string next time you have visitors?  ;D

sometimes it seems to me that you guys are happy being fans of an increasingly-obscure toy, just for the heck of it, cause it's cooler, irrespective of whatever the company, and potential fans, are set to gain from a change in direction.


Do you honestly believe that licensing THESE movies will gain Geobra THAT more income?
We're hardly talking Star Wars or LOTR here, right?
I actually do LIKE the LEGO LOTR (and some other licensed) sets a lot, but LEGO is a completely other toy than Playmobil.

Btw, I don't know where you live, but here in the Benelux countries Playmobil is HARDLY an obscure toy, lol!
I bought my first box in 1974, and I've seen Geobra/Playmobil grow ever since, but the quality just isn't what it used to be, plastic-and innovationwise.
I visit a lot of Playmobil-fairs, and people still tend to search and buy the older sets, the play-value being so much more than in a lot of the recent sets.

As for pulling in more potential "fans", I still think that making the existing themes more innovating again (not the now usual 3 good guys against 3 bad guys sets...) would be more profitable than yet another film license.

I have no problem with Geobra's change of direction, they've been doing that wildly for the last few years, but I don't think this licensing will "upgrade" the existing product.
I see how bad the Super 4 sets sell here in the Benelux contries (even in the Zirndorf Funpark they were half-price on saturdays this year...), and I'm a bit afraid the upcoming "movie" sets won't do so well either.
But at the end of the day, we'll just have to wait and see, maybe they'll turn out great.  :)

Btw, I'll try the string, it might work. ;D
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on September 27, 2016, 06:52:10
You've just made me question my use of "gotten" lol. Apparently, it's quite an old form that is still in use in America, but not in England.

When you wrote 'I haven't gotten that comment yet', I thought you meant 'I haven't understood that comment yet' but you actually meant 'I haven't heard that comment yet'. It goes to show that communication in writing can lead to misunderstandings! "Gotten" is an old word in the English language, now regarded by many in the UK as an Americanism (like 'math', 'faucet', 'diaper', 'Trump') but actually a word which has survived from the times of the early settlers, in all probability.

I'm worried that movie and tv licenses would just produce children acting out the show plot lines and not using their creativity because children's movies/shows are so pervasive. And they're not educational in the way a historical or cultural set would be.

I think you are correct. The Lego Hobbit sets, for example, depict on the box one small scene from the story. I cannot see that will encourage imagination beyond Tolkein's original ideas.

I am sure there must be a PhD thesis somewhere exploring which toys promote creativity and imagination, including features which help this.

We don't need to give licensing a chance because we've already seen what it has done to Lego. Lots of $. Much less creativity. There's a Lego section in the arts and crafts display at our local state fair for kids to show off their Lego creations. There's a marked difference in creativity between those kids who have non-licensed sets and those who have licensed sets. Many of the kids with Star Wars sets just recreated the picture on the box, rather than making their own thing.

There you go! Evidence! Anecdotal, yes, but the starting point for some interesting further research....
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on September 27, 2016, 10:17:11
When you wrote 'I haven't gotten that comment yet', I thought you meant 'I haven't understood that comment yet' but you actually meant 'I haven't heard that comment yet'. It goes to show that communication in writing can lead to misunderstandings! "Gotten" is an old word in the English language, now regarded by many in the UK as an Americanism (like 'math', 'faucet', 'diaper', 'Trump') but actually a word which has survived from the times of the early settlers, in all probability.

I think you are correct. The Lego Hobbit sets, for example, depict on the box one small scene from the story. I cannot see that will encourage imagination beyond Tolkein's original ideas.

I am sure there must be a PhD thesis somewhere exploring which toys promote creativity and imagination, including features which help this.

There you go! Evidence! Anecdotal, yes, but the starting point for some interesting further research....

Yeah, there are multiple old words or constructions that survive in American English, but not in British English.

I'm sure there are hundreds of PhD theses on toys and creativity.

What I said about licensed sets, it also applies to less flexible sets. I don't think we are doing children any favors by giving them pre-built, non-customizable buildings. Assembling and re-configuring buildings helps with spatial awareness and creativity. It isn't surprising that many of us go back to Steck for making customized buildings. It would be awesome if HTTYD sets included customizable Viking houses (or any other sets that increase the play value of the Viking theme), but I expect they will just be the main characters and their respective dragons. I'm sure they'll be adorable.

I'm down with string. :lol: At this very moment, I have a pile of string and an unfinished pair of gloves sitting in my lap. I've probably spent more on string than Playmo.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Oliver on September 27, 2016, 15:54:09

one thing that's certain is that licensed sets are more expensive than unlicensed ones. has to be seen what kind of price hikes we'll see. currently with lego star wars, 4 fig entry level sets cost -7 euro, small sets around 35, with the bigger ones costing more than a 100.


I don't think that makes them any more expensive than regular Lego? I don't buy it, but I think the Lego shops charge £6 for 3 create-your-own MiniFigs (I remember because it was about the price of the PM Mystery Bags), and a number of the unlicensed 'Creator' sets cost over £100.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Bolingbroke on September 28, 2016, 09:19:48
I don't think that makes them any more expensive than regular Lego? I don't buy it, but I think the Lego shops charge £6 for 3 create-your-own MiniFigs (I remember because it was about the price of the PM Mystery Bags), and a number of the unlicensed 'Creator' sets cost over £100.

blind bagged minifigs cost 2.99 euro. licensed ones (simpsons, disney etc) cost 3.99.

same for the bigger sets. the unlicensed creator sets are cheap compared to the licensed stuff. a modular house costs around 160 euro. with the licensed sets, they range from 200 all the way to 500 euro (the new lego death star).

you can see it much more clearly with the recent advent calendars. licensed ones cost about 50 per cent more than the inhouse stuff.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Pynedor on October 01, 2016, 13:49:09
Wow, I was not expecting this. I agree with many of you about the whole licensing thing... but this is definitely way better than a Ghostbusters theme. I really enjoy the How to Train Your Dragon films and show, so, admittedly, I am excited for this as well.

Wasn't the series cancelled though?

It's 2 movies plus the series, right? (4 seasons)

Maybe I should have another go at it...

Yes, there are two movies. The first one was released in 2010, and the second one was released in 2014. The third one, as mentioned by others, is currently scheduled to be released in 2018.

The show has four seasons, and I haven't read anywhere that it's been cancelled. Unfortunately, similarly to Super 4, since it's been on Netflix from the third season on, there aren't any DVD releases of the show available after the second season. Netflix splits up their seasons into halves and for some reason calls them different seasons; there have actually been three full seasons and half of the fourth season released so far, but Netflix considers their three half seasons to be season 3, 4, and 5. I don't think that the show is as good as the films - due to lower quality animation and storylines that are less focused on character development - but it is still very enjoyable.

Another interesting thing to note is the age of the characters in the films and show. In the first film, the main characters are about 15 years old. In the second film, five years have passed, and the main characters are about 20 years old. In the show, which entirely (so far) takes place between the first and second films, the characters are at ages between 15 and 20 years old. The reason I mentioned this is that I am hoping the figures and parts will fit in with the existing Playmobil figures. They shouldn't be child figures, and hopefully they won't be Super 4 teenage style figures either, at least if the sets are designed with the second or third movie in mind.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on October 02, 2016, 08:05:06
I've been wondering about the body types as well. I don't think they will do children klickies, but I wouldn't be surprised if they use the Super 4 bodies. I hope they are just normal klickies (though I suppose for my purposes, it won't matter too much because the young one has not yet discovered that klickies can be disassembled :lol:).
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Baron Marshall on October 02, 2016, 13:52:28
I'm guessing they will probably be super 4 sized for a few reasons... The main characters are clearly smaller than the other "adults" in the movie, and the super 4 style figures are made in the German factory instead of the Malta factory.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on October 02, 2016, 14:11:22
The show has four seasons, and I haven't read anywhere that it's been cancelled. Unfortunately, similarly to Super 4, since it's been on Netflix from the third season on, there aren't any DVD releases of the show available after the second season. Netflix splits up their seasons into halves and for some reason calls them different seasons; there have actually been three full seasons and half of the fourth season released so far, but Netflix considers their three half seasons to be season 3, 4, and 5. I don't think that the show is as good as the films - due to lower quality animation and storylines that are less focused on character development - but it is still very enjoyable.

What a mess. I saw it as off in epguides.. but now it's not. Either it was corrected or I made a mistake  :-[


I'm guessing they will probably be super 4 sized for a few reasons... The main characters are clearly smaller than the other "adults" in the movie, and the super 4 style figures are made in the German factory instead of the Malta factory.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO.

Well, let's hope for plenty of "normal" bodied vikings. And while I'm at it, in nice dull colors.  :P

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on October 02, 2016, 17:31:24
the super 4 style figures are made in the German factory instead of the Malta factory.

I am sure that is true of the slimline figures, but a lot of the regular Super4 figures showed up in Maltese eBay sellers listings.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Pynedor on October 02, 2016, 20:29:01
I wouldn't be surprised if they were made in the Super 4 style; it might almost match the animated characters better in this case. I just hope that they won't be. :lol:
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Hadoque on October 02, 2016, 22:27:14
slimline figures

Swimsuit-figures in the regular line and slimsuit-figures in the Super-4 line  ;)

Btw, it is really about time for today´s realworld "skinny slim fashion like back in 80s" to come to an end, imho.  ;D
Not a bad word about a fitting shirt, sweater or jacket, but those freaking superslim trousers... ::)


Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Hadoque on October 02, 2016, 22:43:04
i fail to see how playmobil is that much better than lego

But Playmobil LOOKS much better then Lego  ;)
(with the posssible exception of some big/huge Lego-creations, of which the scale annihilates the bricklike-appearances)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Ismene on October 03, 2016, 06:03:35
Well, let's hope for plenty of "normal" bodied vikings. And while I'm at it, in nice dull colors.  :P

No one wears pink in the movies, so there's hope for lots of brown. It would be nice if they'd make some normal bodied Viking women (if they end up doing the main characters in slim bodies) since we already have Viking men.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on October 03, 2016, 07:42:51
It would be nice if they'd make some normal bodied Viking women (if they end up doing the main characters in slim bodies) since we already have Viking men.

Yeah, purple, pink, blue.....

I say ANY normal parts in nice colors will do! Even speedos would do.

Those others... meh.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Klickteryx on October 03, 2016, 08:58:22

Not a bad word about a fitting shirt, sweater or jacket, but those freaking superslim trousers... ::)
The best ones are the super tight trousers that have the crotch about halfway down the thighs so it looks like they've pulled on a long sleeved t-shirt instead of trousers.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=low+crotch+pants&espv=2&biw=1745&bih=885&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl1umYor7PAhWGupQKHRDBC3UQsAQIGQ
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on October 03, 2016, 09:01:36
The best ones are the super tight trousers that have the crotch about halfway down the thighs so it looks like they've pulled on a long sleeved t-shirt instead of trousers.

Look like idiots in full diapers.  ::)
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Klickteryx on October 03, 2016, 09:05:41
No one wears pink in the movies, so there's hope for lots of brown. It would be nice if they'd make some normal bodied Viking women (if they end up doing the main characters in slim bodies) since we already have Viking men.
I want wide bodied Viking men, larger than normal, with those new muscle arms. Some helmets with extra long horns would also be good.

If this Dragon one works out for them maybe they could do Brave next. I've also just realised that the name is a tie-in to Braveheart. :doh: It's only taken four years. ;D

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Klickteryx on October 03, 2016, 09:06:32
Look like idiots in full diapers.  ::)
Keep them hidden from geobra or we'll be seeing them on skateboards next.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on October 03, 2016, 09:35:14
I want wide bodied Viking men, larger than normal, with those new muscle arms. Some helmets with extra long horns would also be good.

I'd prefer no new body types..

If this Dragon one works out for them maybe they could do Brave next.

I hated the movie. Liked the beginning, but that story with the bear... Terrible. Right next to Frozen... Gorgeous "drawerings", lousy lousy stories, IMO. Unlike that stone age one - The Croods? Not sure - that was great, even if the style is kinda uglyish.  :P

Besides, isn't Brave from Di$ney?

Keep them hidden from geobra or we'll be seeing them on skateboards next.

Where have you been?! They WERE introduced with skateboarders, I think. And now there are PLENTY of grown klickys with full diapers. Are there figures series without them!?   ::)

Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Hadoque on October 03, 2016, 20:52:38
Where have you been?! They WERE introduced with skateboarders, I think. And now there are PLENTY of grown klickys with full diapers. Are there figures series without them!?   ::)

No, the Playmo-skaters came with "baggy" pants; often worn low on the waist and with the difference that the legs remained superwide all the way down. (I used to wear a few of those pants in the late 90s  :-[ though never so low that one could see my shorts  0)  ;D  )
Today, it is the complete opposite which is in fashion; superslim/skinny legged pants that you can never get out off again, and with pockets that don´t even fit a single swimsuit-klicky (while in the baggies one could hide a grenade-launcher).
The trousers shown by Klickteryx are a ridiculous spin-off from the skinny/slim pants line, though they incorporate the low-crotch from the baggy-pants.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: tahra on October 04, 2016, 07:56:52
The trousers shown by Klickteryx are a ridiculous spin-off from the skinny/slim pants line, though they incorporate the low-crotch from the baggy-pants.

So there are more ridiculous versions?! Please no.
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: GrahamB on October 04, 2016, 18:45:16
though never so low that one could see my shorts

Its the unwanted views of people's .... anatomy... that I find hard to bear!
Title: Re: How To Train Your Dragon Coming Soon
Post by: Lindama on November 13, 2016, 09:24:41
Now this will be really interesting. Oh for a new viking longhouse and a person can never have too many dragons! I'm looking forward to this line very much. Its the sweetest series.