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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: Tiermann on July 17, 2015, 15:05:33
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I would like to get some opinions on what I should include or not include as animals at Animobil. There are a few different things I have been considering. I don't want to stretch the concept too far, but I do want to include anything people might expect to find there or find useful.
The question of the moment: Do you count the troll as an animal by the way? ???
I have up to now not included anything that would be a Klicky figure except for the bunny headed people. A Troll really seems more to me like a person and therefore not an animal. But what do you all think? Should I go ahead and include him in the Mythical category since he is in fact a mythical being?
Other things I would like comments on:
Really big animals like the 123 dinosaur, 123 Snail, the Swan boat from the Princess theme?
Bones and skeletons - right now I have the dinoaur skeleton and mammoth one since they make whole creatures, I have also included the triceratops skull because I like it. What about the fish skeleton (I am thinking probably next update for the same reason as the dino and mammoth)? Other bones? There are partial cattle type skeletons, the cow skulls, the short dog bone?
Similar to the troll - what about the alien figure in Super4? It's definitely a klicky. Other aliens? I have deliberately skipped them since they are a type of klicky, but they could get their own section like the bunny people, but then where do you draw lines there - what about other weird head types like the green or blue people?
I am adding that snake walking stick next update. Anything else accessory or small parts wise I may have missed that should be included?
Thanks for any comments you care to share on this topic
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Personly I feel that anyone using a clicky body is a clicky, including bunny people.
To me the troll is as much a clicky as a chimp would be. Both have some clothing accesoires that only they can wear, and both can hold things in their hands.
Then there's also the asian humanoid dragons who can hold stuff and wear armor.
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I wouldn't count the troll or the swan boat as animals. Or the aliens. Not familiar with the 123 items.
The bones are a tricky one! I think yes, as it's own section.
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I'm inclined to rank the troll as a humanoid.
Bones are dead animals, but I wouldn't include them since they are now objects, not animals. The swan boat is a boat shaped like an animal (it's hollowed out for klickies), where as the snake stick could plausibly be either. I would use the same guidelines for all animal-objects. Is it something that could plausibly pass as a live animal?
But ultimately, it is your project.
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I'm inclined to follow Ismene here: only include it if it works as an animal in itself. Lik the snake/staff.
I wouldn't count trolls or aliens as animals. Same for skeletons, especially the ones that are not 'intact'.
The 123 dinosaur & snail are not animals to me, because of the protruding thingies to hold a clicky on their back.
But of course if more separate categories like the bunny people, are an option, you could start a mythical section which can also include the unicorns, dragons, nessie etc. And trolls... and merepeople :)
Then again, you also included animals in non-realistic colours, and toy animals. So then the playground 123 animals kinda work in that category 8}
Sorry, not helpful :lol:
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I say include them all. We're are not talking about thousands of individuals here. If you included the whole skeletons then the half skeletons too. If you included the mystical creatures then the troll too. If you included the toy animals then the animal boat too.
Aliens I would say no too, you would have to include lady ga ga then :P
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I have up to now not included anything that would be a Klicky figure except for the bunny headed people. A Troll really seems more to me like a person and therefore not an animal. But what do you all think? Should I go ahead and include him in the Mythical category since he is in fact a mythical being?
This is a very interesting topic. It made me think of what in general constitutes an animal, or a creature, or something living that is not, say, a plant or microscopic organism. Basically, that would include the bunny people and the troll for certain. So including all of those creatures sounds like the best idea to me.
That said, I thought of two other things:
I like how you have the bunny people in their own group and not with the Mythical creatures. That just somehow seems better to me, and I would keep it that way.
I also like how you have a page for the human, for completeness and to thank them for posing in the many images. :lol:
Other things I would like comments on:
Really big animals like the 123 dinosaur, 123 Snail, the Swan boat from the Princess theme?
I'm not sure if these really count. Maybe - if you really wanted to - you could make a new section for "Other" or something, but I don't think that these are necessary.
Bones and skeletons - right now I have the dinoaur skeleton and mammoth one since they make whole creatures, I have also included the triceratops skull because I like it. What about the fish skeleton (I am thinking probably next update for the same reason as the dino and mammoth)? Other bones? There are partial cattle type skeletons, the cow skulls, the short dog bone?
It sounds good to me to just add them together as one with their respective counterparts.
Similar to the troll - what about the alien figure in Super4? It's definitely a klicky. Other aliens? I have deliberately skipped them since they are a type of klicky, but they could get their own section like the bunny people, but then where do you draw lines there - what about other weird head types like the green or blue people?
Very interesting also... You could make a "Space Alien" section. That would make sense. I wouldn't add them in Mythical, but they should probably get their own section. Ghosts and undead figures could be included in Mythical though...
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Thanks for the comments. I haven't made any firm decisions yet but I am leaning towards a rule along the lines of 'if it looks like an animal then include it'. That would bring in the 123 big ones and the swan boat since they look more like an animal than like something else. I think the troll is probably out under the same rule since it looks more like a person. Still thinking, and additional comments are most welcome.
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I would say that the troll has more in common with the gorilla than with clickies. :)
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If I had a site called animobil, I would not include other creatures such as aliens, trolls or even bunny people (I would rename my site creaturemobil then) :lol:
But this is merely up to you and how you feel after helping many of us when we consult your site. I agree once you choose a category you should include them all (eg half skeletons – the whale skeleton is a must).
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I was searching Animobil the other day for animal bones, so I would like to see them there. ...whether that translates to "should" is another matter.
If the troll shouldn't go up, then you should pull the foil-bag dragons, IMO. Those critters are way more humanoid than any other playmo dragons. (Although, I was happy you had them for my reference.) They are like "draconions" from the pulpy Dragonlance books: some type of lizardy people.....
If you are keeping the dragon people, by all means, add the troll. Ditto for the Black Colossus.
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Might as well keep it to a fantasy animals section. Dragons, Unicorns and such seem to belong there as well, and we can only assume that they will add more fantasy animals in the future.
Griffins, Ogre's, Goblins, Centaurs, Harpies, Minotaurs, Cyclopses, etc. Never know what they may add.
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I lean towards the "include them all" line of thinking. I would definitely include the bones, in their own section, at least big identifiable ones. The swan princess boat, I would like to see included for the size comparison and all, especially since it can be used in animal-themed projects.
But with the aliens and trolls and such, I don't know. That is a hard line. I guess you could use whether it talks or not as a guideline. If it speaks in real life or in common mythology it's a clicky, if it doesn't it's an animal. So aliens would be clickys, but chimps wouldn't.
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Thanks again for all the thoughtful comments. There are a number of ways to look at the ideas here. One that I have used is to ask 'if someone had this and didn't know where it was from would they go to Animobil to look it up?' So the swan boat goes in I think because in a few years if you didn't know what theme it was from and found it in a mixed batch off eBay I think it would be something you would definitely expect to find out about on a site like Animobil. Likewise the dragon klickies since they do look like klickies but they are not people and if they had no accessories on they would maybe look like a random unknown animal. They aren't after all made with regular klicky parts in any way but all special ones.
So the troll/ogre. Not a klicky certainly. If I went to PlaymoDB I wouldn't expect to find it in the klicky lookup feature. I checked and Heather has it categorized as Humanoid along with the skeleton, snowmen, scarecrows, and busts. I wouldn't include any of those other things. If you picked one up and didn't know what set it was from or what it was supposed to be, would you go to animobil and expect to find it?
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Following Bonnie's way of thinking, I have the idea that trolls can talk (sort of ;D ), so I wouldn't see them as an animal.
I don't think I'd go to animobil first to look it up.
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I would look for the troll on Animobil.
If talking excludes a critter from the list, the dragons got to go too.
Maybe not the wyverns, maybe not the old-school googly-eyed dragons, but Black Dread can talk, for sure.
Smaug's got nuthin' on Black Dread.
The new Green Mama looks like a talker too...
With mythical creatures, sentience should not keep them off your list, Tim.
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Parrots can talk too though, and in many tales Dragons can talk as well. ;) And when you look at most cartoons, pretty much any animal talks. :P
Or maybe I am just trolling now. :lol:
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Or maybe I am just trolling now. :lol:
I see what you did there ;D
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I bet the bunny people dont just murmur and squeal.
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I bet the bunny people dont just murmur and squeal.
I need to find one of those at some point, mainly so that when I see it I'll think of all the hilarious conversations about them here. :lol:
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Interesting thoughts... I've read good arguments for both sides... this is what I'd like to say:
Mythical creatures: When you include dragons and unicorns, trolls should be as well. I'd give them a special section.
Bones: If it still has the shape of the animal; the Oviraptor/ Ornitholestes Dino skeleton (aka Betty); Yes. Just bones; no. Maybe they used to be animals but so are the sausages and the hamburgers
Crossovers, like the swan boat: Look at the last word; boat. It is a boat, not a swan so: no.
The main question is, of course: What information do the visitors of Animobil want? All about playmobil animals or animal related information. I don't think there is another site so complete about this subject as yours so you can include everything you want, I guess.
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OMG, I just realized you have to include the My Little Pony ripoffs as well... poor you. Don't you forget to give the a proper 'coiffure' before picturing them? :lol:
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I'd say boycot those fake pony things by not putting them on the website. Dont encourage them to make such terrible decisions.
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I can imagine it is hard to make a decision about what to include. I have been surprised by the completeness of animobil more than once. The troll would be a yes to me as a mytical creature. The bones only the complete skeletons.
The other things that are shaped like animals but have an other function in Playmoland, I'm thinking of the new splash octopus, but also the swanboat or teddybears are just objects to me.
But there is an exception when a mold of a real animal is used to make a toy like the joey and all those rainbow kittens, puppies and Frogs, they count as animals to me.
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Thanks for the additional comments.
I have at this point decided to include bones only when it's a complete skeleton - so Betty, the mammoth, and the fish skeleton.
I am going to leave the troll out for now. I will leave it open to possible future inclusion if I feel like it.
I have included the 123 snail and 123 dino, and do intend to include the swan boat. My thought process is that if it looks so much like an animal that a stranger who didn't know it was supposed to be a boat/rocking ride/whatever would go looking for it then it should be included. We know it's a swan boat, but if you just had the swan part and weren't that familiar with Playmobil lines would you think swan first or boat? I think it would as likely be swan, so included.
Thanks for everyone's comments on this, and feel free to keep discussing. It's all been helpful in working out my criteria and thought processes.
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I'm just curious where you'd put a centaur, would it be a clicky or a horse? ;)
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If they ever release a centaur or more combined kilcky-animals I would probably open up a new section for them and have a place for the trolls as well. Probably as a sub-section of the Mythical category.
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OMG, I just realized you have to include the My Little Pony ripoffs as well... poor you. Don't you forget to give the a proper 'coiffure' before picturing them? :lol:
Well, the klickies in those four sets (and their full skirts) are lovely and I might be forced to buy the sets to get hold of the klickies (only one has shown up on Malta eBay so far :( ). If I do, you are welcome to the ponies, Tiermann, but don't tell my mates down at the Blacksmith's Arms where you got them from :-[.
Actually, I saw a set of the four hairy horsies on eBay yesterday, minus the klickies and other accessories, so someone else had evidently decided to buy these sets, but not for the horsies!
Oh my giddy aunt! £12 each! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLAYMOBIL-6166-6169-VARIOUS-COLOUR-HORSES-WITH-HAIR-THAT-YOU-COMB-brand-new-/121633739378?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1c51ef9272 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLAYMOBIL-6166-6169-VARIOUS-COLOUR-HORSES-WITH-HAIR-THAT-YOU-COMB-brand-new-/121633739378?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1c51ef9272)
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Ugh, yeah one of those things I am really not wanting but will eventually get anyway. I will hope they goon sale cheap at some point, I wont be rushing out and getting them early that's for sure.
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Oh my giddy aunt! £12 each! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLAYMOBIL-6166-6169-VARIOUS-COLOUR-HORSES-WITH-HAIR-THAT-YOU-COMB-brand-new-/121633739378?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1c51ef9272 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLAYMOBIL-6166-6169-VARIOUS-COLOUR-HORSES-WITH-HAIR-THAT-YOU-COMB-brand-new-/121633739378?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1c51ef9272)
:lol: Lovely expression that is!