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General => News => Topic started by: playmofire on March 22, 2007, 11:14:01
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Interesting new site here :
http://playmobeach.com/
Does anyone have any information on it, e.g. how you vote?
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I've been wondering the same thing.
Perhaps it's something to do with hit count? Could be that when you press the link or pic to visit each site, it records a vote. I hope someone else can answer this. :eh?:
Love the concept and layout of the site. 8-)
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That was interesting,
If you put your arrow thing on the stars you can vote from 1-5 to rate the sites, of course I gave here 5 out of 5.
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Well, that was simpler than I thought. Thanks for working it out, Garry. :)9
I noticed the stars lit up with the mouse-over but didn't think to try clicking on them. Doh! :-[
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good news is, i voted 5 out of 5, doh!!
Bad news is, you can't vote twice ::)
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so can you only vote once total, or once for each and give seperate 1-5 star ratings ?
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Once for each.
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:)
well, you can vote only once in the same option.
but you can vote in severall options.
5 on 5 on us, on jeepmo, on pete & rob, on playmolivier, on deadeye's dick, on tricornejock, on little jo and on macgayver.
this way, all of my playmofriends should be happy.
i am now going to see the other sites to decide my other votes. :)
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I recently found this
site from one of macgyvers links
I think.
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Yes, I've know this page for several days. The guys who made this site contacted me for promoting it. I discussed with the creators a little bit about voting and so on.
The purpose of this page is to provide a hopefully link list of Playmobil related pages. They guys had been wondering how to order the links and thought that it would be useful to present it in an order made "democratically" be the visitors by voting for the single pages. I put the word democratically in quotation because I personally have me doubts if this will be a "fair" and democratic voting, not ending in some "voting-wars" (in the style of "edit-wars" on the wikipedia) wanting some single pages to be seen on leading places.
I suggested different views, maybe one with voting, one in arbitrary order (maybe the default one for also giving the not high voted pages to be seen at the top) and one in alphabethic order so that you can find easily a special page link looking for. The alphabetic list would have the benefit -- additional to a fair ordering -- that you can find links more easily, because now going to this site you have to search each time you're looking for a special page because as said the ordering is influenced by the users itself.
Link order works like that, that you can vote for single pages (yes, as Sir Gareth already recognized, by clicking the preferred voting-star rank ;)) and the single links are then displayed according to their avarage voting (sum of all given votes divided thru the number voters; accuracy is several digits after the dot, so do not wonder that entries with the same value are not listed e.g. according to numbers of voters for second ordering criteria). That's also the reason why new added links are quite high in ranking because at those single votes do have a bigger influance at the beginning.
Obviously you can vote only once ... but not really. With some IT knowledge and looking closely you can recognize that voting restriction depends on your computer's address with which you're connected to the internet (either your real computer's address or in most cases the proxy/modem address given/used by your internet access provider).
There is a trick available (do not want to post it here for not spoiling or to animate for "voting wars", so please don't send me any PM with asking for) - maybe even more - with which you can vote as often as you like and with which you can influence the order quite easily and especially heavily. I do not want to accuse anybody, because that's up to everybody else how he/she wants to "use" this site, but there are some signs that some (probably only very few) people are using these tricks to influence the order of the list.
I'm personally a little bit disappointed, that obviously it seems that some do so, because with this the purpose and idea of this site is underminded, but as I said, it's up to everybody him-/herself how he/she wants to use this site.
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Hi little Jo,
Since you seem to know a bit about this site, what are those black heart shaped things at the end of the descriptions of certain sites for. I have been looking at them and they seem to be given to forums is that what they are for?
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Hm, no, don't know what's about the little hearts. Didn't recognized that they always apears at forum sites. But as you spotted well I think this really could be the reason. (I just thought that these sites are loved much by the creators, but your explanation seems to make more sense.)
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well, you can vote only once in the same option.
but you can vote in severall options.
5 on 5 on us, on jeepmo, on pete & rob, on playmolivier, on deadeye's dick, on tricornejock, on little jo and on macgayver.
this way, all of my playmofriends should be happy.
i am now going to see the other sites to decide my other votes. :)
Boo hoo ... :'(
What? No vote for Bart's Collectobil (http://www.collectobil.com), Sylvia's Just for Kl!cks (http://www.justforklicks.com/), Andi's Klickyworld (http://www.klickyworld.com), Heather's PlaymoDB (http://www.playmodb.org/), Tim's Animobil (http://animobil.info/), Ben's Playmobil Fire Department (http://www.geocities.com/playmofd/index.html), Yoyei's Playclicks (http://www.playclicks.com/noticias/foro/) or my Garden Wargaming (http://www.gardenwargaming.com) ? ... :P
Just joking, Cachalote ... :lol:
Actually, I was a bit surprised when Playmobeach (http://www.playmobeach.com/) asked if they could include my site ... ;)
All the best,
Richard
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Yes, they contacted me also. I don't mind. It's been kind of amusing how the various sites bounce around in the list one day to the next. Jeepmobil has gone from 36, to 4, to 17, to 12 since being listed.
Could be fun to make a poll or start bets on who will be where on what day :lol:
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Hi Playmofriends,
Very debatable voting system !
Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !
Dont want say more................
gentle greets
Andi
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Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !
Wow, that's a lot. This morning it has been about 100 votes less ...
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Hi Playmofriends,
Very debatable voting system !
Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !
Dont want say more................
gentle greets
Andi
Very true , Andi ...
However, I am sure that most, if not all, voting systems are somewhat debatable ... ;)
So, in my opinion, whoever set up Playmobeach certainly must have a lot of courage to create a site that has the potential to generate hurt feelings, induce anger and disappointment as well as invite a lot of criticism.
Perhaps, we should all try to see the humour in the scramble for votes and recognition, while at the same time, for those of us who have websites, realizing that our own website really is the best one on the internet ... :lol:
Even though I am trying very hard to see the humour, I still wonder how Pete and Rob got SO MANY votes ... ??? ... ;D
All the best,
Richard
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I don't think it actually works on the number of votes but how people vote when they give their rating from 1 - 5.
The top sites like us here have 3.3 which I'm guessing is a percentage out of 5.
If you study the star ratings some sites might have a lower number of votes and yet be much higher than others with a 3.3 ranking. So the actual figures what you can't see could be 280votes with a 3.38956 % which places it higher than a site with 350 votes with a 3.32465 % rating.
So what I'm trying to say is ignore the number of votes and just look at the star rating's on the leader board.
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If the voting system is so easy to manipulate, then it could be anyone messing about with it.
The reason Pete and Rob have a high amount of votes could simply be because they have a link to playmobeach on their home page (http://www.peteandrob.com/) coupled with a high volume of visitors and a large number of supporters. ;)
Jochen, is there a way to make the system more secure so people can not vote more than once? Or does it then become too much work for the webmaster to collect the votes? :-\
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If the voting system is so easy to manipulate, then it could be anyone messing about with it.
Right, definitely anybody could manipulate the order, not only promoting their own favourites on top but also to banish unbeloved or rival sites to the end. (That's what I meant with "voting-wars" earlier in this thread)
The reason Pete and Rob have a high amount of votes could simply be because they have a link to playmobeach on their home page (http://www.peteandrob.com/) coupled with a high volume of visitors and a large number of supporters. ;)
For sure this might be a reason (don't want to make any further speculations) ... anyway all the discussed so far can be seen quite good at the moment: the unhindered and continious #1 for the last days with a vote of 3.3 (yesterday) and about 800 votes suddenly is on place 52 with 2.8 average votes ...
Jochen, is there a way to make the system more secure so people can not vote more than once? Or does it then become too much work for the webmaster to collect the votes? :-\
Hm, I don't see any feasible solution to do so. I think the site owners already had spend some efforts in thinking about how to vote best. Problem is, that as long as they do not provide single accounts with which you have to log in at the site, you never can ensure that no manipulation is possible. Furthermore the current mechanism based on the IP address isn't also "fair" at all, because it used IP addresse for recognition, if a certain "person" has voted on a site or not. The problem with this is, that in case if two different people are using the same computer, only one of them (the first one) is able to give a vote. This comes even worse on how Internet is used in general. Typically going to the Internet is not done with your computer's IP address but with this of a proxy server or with the one of your cable modem/router etc. On business or larger companies who have a leased line the proxy servers do have fixed IP addresses. This means, e.g. that every person in the corporate network going to the Internet is know at the Internet with the same IP address (i.e. the one of the proxy server). For private households going to the Net, typically DHCP is used from the modem, i.e. the modem is getting periodically differnt IP addresses from their local Internet provider, i.e. although I'm the same person, but in case getting different IP addresses for my router I could vote several times. -- So concluding: mapping the IP address to an identity of a certain person is for sure an easy and practible solution, but not a fair one.
One thing the site owners could do is to reject voting requests coming from the same IP address, but this would also be an unfair solution, because in case I'm using the same Internet provider than another person who had already voted on the site, and I would get his/her IP address from the DHCP server, I suddenly would be restricted to vote on sites which this user already had voted for ... the other way round getting different IP addresses from the DHCP server would also allow me to vote several times on the same site.
So finally concluding, I do not see any method apart from introducing single accounts to prevent from missuse and to provide a fair voting system :(
BTW, this was the reason why I suggested to display the list in random order for default, and in alphabetic order for finding single sites, and the voting system just as a nice to have feature, because people wouldn't be that focused on where their favourite sites are listed (because either it's random or in alphabetic order).
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BTW, this was the reason why I suggested to display the list in random order for default, and in alphabetic order for finding single sites, and the voting system just as a nice to have feature, because people wouldn't be that focused on where their favourite sites are listed (because either it's random or in alphabetic order).
I agree. That sounds like a much better way to organise the page. :)
It would be fair but still have the element of fun and visitor interaction, plus there would be less temptation for people to vote repeatedly. :yup:
Our own links page at PF is alphabetical, and I find it a lot quicker to find the site I need without looking all around the whole list. The tabled layout does make adding new sites slightly more complicated (especially if they fall in the middle of the alphabet! 8}), but the end result is worth it. :)
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richard, you are quite right, i missed a few.
i corrected the mistake - 5 stars for all "our" sites.
i know this can be unfair for the others but i had already realized, when i decided to vote this way, that the voting system was far from brilliant.
anyway, i discovered some sites i didn't knew. :)
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Very interesting site, with all those links!! :)
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I really like this site too. I would have never known all these sites were out there. :wow:
Now I'm just wondering how my site is in 3rd ??? If it keeps going I might have to update it big time... 8} ;D
Ben
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Very true , Andi ...
However, I am sure that most, if not all, voting systems are somewhat debatable ... ;)
[...]
Perhaps, we should all try to see the humour in the scramble for votes and recognition, while at the same time, for those of us who have websites, realizing that our own website really is the best one on the internet ... :lol:
Even though I am trying very hard to see the humour, I still wonder how Pete and Rob got SO MANY votes ... ??? ... ;D
All the best,
Richard
Hey gentlemen,
we feel somehow offended here! :'(
This discussion really gives the impression that we have manipulated the voting system in some way.
Since playmobeach.com is online we have only:
- promoted the link on our website
- promoted the link with the last newsletter for the latest adevntures (Pete & Rob set a new world record: http://www.peteandrob.com/adventures.php?show=044]) to our numerous friends & fans
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- we have told manic Pete & Rob supporters (like our parents, nieces etc.) about the voting.
Of course, we like that we have a lot of votes at playmobeach.com (wouldn't you like it, too?).
And we agree that our promotion is not really fair (as playmobeach.com is more an organized linklist than a voting page), but we disclaim any indicated defraud.
Reading this discussion, we feel like some kind of criminals...
...Oh my god! We Are! [Playmobil 3161] :lol:
@Sylvia: Thx for your support here! :love:
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Great new film there. :)
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I think at first it's a good ideas :!: to recense the more of playmobil's website...
... Yet I think the system of vote is a realy realy bad thing. >:(
We're all on the web to share the same passion of playmobil, not to be in competition.
For now, I don't want playmobeach.com in my page of links. :no:
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While I don't really care where I am on the list, (I'm just happy it's there), my site is one that is not just Playmobil, so may not be as dynamic as others looking for a lot of Playmobil goodness.
My site isn't intended to be in the same league as the really cool, strictly Playmobil ones (like this one :)). Sites in other languages are more difficult to navigate, so how is a person supposed to vote on that?
It would be weird if people could be voted off, but that's not the case, I don't think.
..anyway, that's my two scents.
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... and there is strange things on this site.
For exemple, yesterday our site www.playmoboys.com were 9th and today 82th ???
Something 's realy strange isn't it ?
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... and there is strange things on this site.
For exemple, yesterday our site www.playmoboys.com were 9th and today 82th ???
I think this just goes to show that the results on this site are quite unreliable and nobody should put any importance on them.
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... and there is strange things on this site.
For example, yesterday our site www.playmoboys.com were 9th and today 82th ???
Something 's really strange isn't it ?
:lol: All you need are a few "one star" votes and your position drops like a rock!
As I said in an earlier post, "... whoever set up Playmobeach certainly must have a lot of courage to create a site that has the potential to generate hurt feelings, induce anger and disappointment as well as invite a lot of criticism."
However, they are generating a lot of activity and interest (just count the number of votes posted).
Playmobeach doesn't provide a useful database like Heather's site, or an illustrated catalog of Playmobil sets like Bart's site, or a fun place to meet and discuss our hobby like Sylvia's site. So, what do they really contribute to the Playmobil community?
A bunch of links? Collectobil has most of those links. And, hosts them WITHOUT BIAS!
Does Playmobeach have any real value for any of us?
What draws us (like a magnet) to such a site?
Perhaps we are all like a bunch of moths looking for a warm light. But, everyone knows what that "warm light" does to the moths ...
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The only time I bother to look at that site is when someone posts a reply to this topic and mentions something odd about the ratings. ;D
I was happy to see that PlaymoFriends and JustForKl!cks had been included simply from a promotional point of view rather than hoping to get a high rating. And I expect many of the other site-owners on that page feel the same way. ;)
I noticed that some fan-sites and forums are asking people to visit Playmobeach and vote for them, but I don't really see the point. :hmm:
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Perhaps we are all like a bunch of moths looking for a warm light. But, everyone knows what that "warm light" does to the moths ...
word! O0
Richard, you are having a good point here.
Competition spoils it all. We are all spoiled.
But on the other hand, the idea of a voting system is good. that way you can see which pages are the popular ones and a page that is only a zombie with contents changed the last time three years ago will slowly drop lower.
obviously, there is almost not a single page that is of such a holy content that people are refusing to mark it down, just to get their own favourites up... too bad.
Give it a time. if people get used to it, they will start to vote more unbiased and then there will be a real order of favourites maybe spreading more significant from 2 to 4. :)
:yup:
You have to see things positively. divide the number of votes given for each page by 2 and you have a rough estimate of the people that really prefer your page. so thats good news, or what? :) :yup:
peace,
socrates
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We don't realy care about our position on this classment because since the creation of playmobeach, there is a lot of surfers who come on playmoboys :love:
... we said just that is realy strange that we have more negativ votes than visits in one day ??? ...
Like says Louis JOUVET (a old French actor you don't know) :
"Bizarre, bizarre, vous avez dit bizarre ?" :hmm: