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Creative => Customs Gallery => Dioramas & Buildings => Topic started by: Limorrj on March 04, 2014, 14:36:41
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I've ordered this base, vehicles and soldiers of USMC and U.S. Army.
It is a small base / outpost as those used by "USMC" and "U.S. Army" in Afghanistan and Iraq since the first Gulf War until today.
The two vehicles are:
a) one M151A2 FAV used by "USMC"
b) M-998 "Truck Gun" used by "USMC" and "U.S. Army" as a light tactical vehicle for transporting troops and equipment.
The first is in the process of retirement, little seen in War fields nowadays, except in Lebanon, where there are still many in use.
The second is in the process of improvement in some units and replacement by most actual M-ATV.
Hope you enjoy final result.
Greettings
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Your pictures look very realistic. Great skies too. Must have been great setting this up.
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Those look awesome!
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Very nice work!
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Wow! This is insane yo~!
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Using happy klickies to glorify the modern war machine looks disturbing. Why not use all the angry faces . Happy klickies out hunting other klickies. There is a good reason the toy master did not want too see this stuff.
It looks like most of it is a different brand altogether.
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Using happy klickies to glorify the modern war machine looks disturbing.
As opposed to chopping each other to pieces - happily? :P
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Awesome pictures, congrats!!
George. :)
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Using happy klickies to glorify the modern war machine looks disturbing. Why not use all the angry faces . Happy klickies out hunting other klickies. There is a good reason the toy master did not want too see this stuff.
It looks like most of it is a different brand altogether.
Can't it be a happy "Bin Laden" hunting? :P
Honestly, I do not see differences between old and new war.
All are bloodbaths, moved by economic purposes.
But I respect your opinion.
I regret to report that the base will receive new vehicles soon.
If it make you happier, I would custumize a U.N. one. :lol:
Friendly
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It looks amazingly detailed and realistic and the pictures are lovely, so well done! But I must admit the content makes me feel uneasy too. It just looks a bit too much like what we see in the newspapers every day :(
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Great details and pictures for sure. I get why it bothers some people. These are things happening now as opposed to some long ago conflict. Yeah, those were violent too, but I can't say I personally knew someone killed in the Civil War. I wish I could say the same about Iraq. On the other hand, Playmobil does reflect our world. So a full blown modern war theme is out, but I think maybe a mystery figure or special of a modern soldier would be alright. Let's face it, being a soldier is a profession hundreds of thousands of people are engaged in and a majority of them are not in a combat role.
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It looks great! 8-)
Very realistic and the base and vehicles go very well with Playmobil klickies, right scale.
So, what brand are the vehicles / base?
On FB I know someone with a dedicated page to this Afghanistan/Iraq-theme, he uses lots of customised Playmobil-figures together with the same or very similar vehicles (including choppers *) as you do.
*: not some butchers, but aircraft with rotorblades able to hover, land and take off vertically :toot:
In case your klickies would end up in a high intensity conflict with a near-peer which requires air-superiority, gimme a call I'll send some F-22s ;) Sadly the A-10s are getting retired, so no close-air support anymore for the boots on the ground ::)
Concerning playmo-wars:
I can understand Geobra concerning WWI and WWII as those wars have a direct and rather recent link with Germany's history, it are their fathers, grandfathers and greatgreatgrandfathers that started those wars. And people in general don't like to see diroamas filled with Wehrmacht-soldiers, Waffen-SS troopers and Nazis. Hitler himself is often considered the anti-christ, and not without good reason. So, understandable Geobra doesn't want to see any of that (in public domain).
But: what about f.e. the British Zulu War, the US Civil War, the Naopleonic Wars, the Spanish Wars in Flanders and The Netherlands, .... , the crusades and the Siege of Jerusalem, the expansion-wars of the Roman Empire, and near the start of it all the butchering by Conan and other barbarians during the Stone-Age? Those battles and wars are often depicted as well with Playmobil in dioramas, and nobody gives a cry.
Of course in "ancient" times they didn't have automatic rifles or atomic bombs, horrible weapons indeed.
But, ever seen (or imagined) how a 17th-century sailor looks after he and the deck of his ship have been wrecked by scrapnel from canonfire? Or the corps of a knight, decapitated by the sword of his opponent?
To me it is quite the same, it doesn't matter in which era the conflict took place as long as one doesn't show (to a general public) the horrors of war but just depicts the playmobil soldiers and their gear.
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Very seamless integration of Playmobil parts and non Playmobil parts. This is quite the realistic and convincing diorama you've created. Look forward to your UN vehicle ;)
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i see more and more dios and customs with playmo that go in a direction i personaly don`t like. ww2 and this iraq dio are more in the military dio section. smiling playmofaces on a hummer ready to go to war ? not for me.
also i have to admit that this is 95% not playmobil and for me it is not a playmobil diorama.
sorry but this is my opinion.
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smiling playmofaces on a hummer ready to go to war ? not for me.
But Roman Legionairs, Medieval knights and robbers, pirates, Redbeafs and Frogs, ACW-soldiers and cowboys, Asia-Dragon warriors, SWAT-snipers and bankrobbers, ..., they all have smiles on their klicky-faces as well.
There is just a time-difference of the battles/wars they "fight" in.
Of course, the further you go back down history's path, the less chance it might upset people (as the ones who saw it happen are all long gone).
also i have to admit that this is 95% not playmobil and for me it is not a playmobil diorama.
That's true.
But the "Titanic" ( http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=9313.0 ), which so many people regard as a Playmobil custom-masterpiece, is also ca. 90% foreign material...
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"custom masterpiece" is a costum made out different parts. so it is a custom.
no need to start a discussion - these are just different views. :wave:
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so it is a custom.
Yes, and a superb achievement, but not a Playmobil one. ;)
no need to start a discussion
Agreed. :wave:
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Dear Friends,
I confess I am very upset with this whole discussion.
If you have not realized it's just a small base with modern military vehicles, which Playmobil does not manufacture
There is no war, shots, enemies or blood.
I see many dioramas here with parts that are not Playmobil and I don't see all this controversy.
I love dioramas WW1 and WW2 and my great-grandfathers and grandfathers fought in both.
I appreciate all returned alive, otherwise I would not be here.
As well said by Hadoque, I do not see much discussion about past wars, as well as on modern cops themes .
On the other hand, I love ACW and I see many dioramas with dead and hurt soldiers and nobody complains.
I love military themes and I will continue with my customizations.
Simply, I will no longer post here.
Friendly
Leonardo
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Dear Leonardo, I was a WW2 customizer n scratch-builder for many many yrs and I am envious of ur this diorama...please don't take it so badly..I do customize little bit of WW2 playmo but I share them elsewhere...respecting the wishes of the majority here...u hv good skills...share them here but with themes welcomed here...until n unless the majority shift...
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Please do not take offense... these are only the opinions of one or two people. I think these customs and pictures are very well done, personally. And the scale is absolutely perfect for playmobil. Of course this was an ugly period of world history, but so were many other periods that we all enjoy depicting. There is nothing gruesome or offensive in these pictures at all.
We all have our different tastes as far as how much of a diorama needs to be playmobil... personally I like to use only playmobil, but I still greatly enjoy the work others do that is not quite so purist. Some probably think my work would be better if I would use more non-playmo backgrounds to fill them out, so it's just a matter of taste. There's no reason for anyone to criticize anyone else for having too many non-playmobil items in their work.
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Honestly, I do not see differences between old and new war.
The difference is that at the start of the 21st century 'people' and 'decision makers' actually can and finally should know better.
Apart from that I consider (as you will imagine) your contribution a statement, too, I find it with regard to 'craftsmanship' exceptionally well done and impressively seemless. I had a hard time noticing what was scratch built and that only a little is ready made, and that virtually everything is real and not photoshopped. If you have fun with it, go on but do not expect everybody everywhere to be as pleased as you (and as said not without any reason) are. :)
Friendly
H_M
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Concerning playmo-wars:
I can understand Geobra concerning WWI and WWII as those wars have a direct and rather recent link with Germany's history, it are their fathers, grandfathers and greatgreatgrandfathers that started those wars. And people in general don't like to see diroamas filled with Wehrmacht-soldiers, Waffen-SS troopers and Nazis. Hitler himself is often considered the anti-christ, and not without good reason. So, understandable Geobra doesn't want to see any of that (in public domain).
But: what about f.e. the British Zulu War, the US Civil War, the Naopleonic Wars, the Spanish Wars in Flanders and The Netherlands, .... , the crusades and the Siege of Jerusalem, the expansion-wars of the Roman Empire, and near the start of it all the butchering by Conan and other barbarians during the Stone-Age? Those battles and wars are often depicted as well with Playmobil in dioramas, and nobody gives a cry.
Of course in "ancient" times they didn't have automatic rifles or atomic bombs, horrible weapons indeed.
But, ever seen (or imagined) how a 17th-century sailor looks after he and the deck of his ship have been wrecked by scrapnel from canonfire? Or the corps of a knight, decapitated by the sword of his opponent?
To me it is quite the same, it doesn't matter in which era the conflict took place as long as one doesn't show (to a general public) the horrors of war but just depicts the playmobil soldiers and their gear.
The reason for toy manufacturers and (most) forums to avoid certain themes is merely that these in a predictable way lead to controversies (prooved in this very thread) because and/or in which feelings of a number of people (esp. target audience (forums), customers' parents (toys) and or among those who will 'see' it (public, forums and toys)) are hurt or upset. So the avoidance of e.g. modern war is rather a matter of 'politeness' or 'respect' (if not of business alone) and has less to do with history, views on history or politics, freedom of opinion or mere amount of cruelty alone. And there is always an implicit statement, too.
Depending on further circumstances there are of course also possible serious (e.g. different legal responsibilities of forum owners and manufacturers) and other reasons. Thus 20th century and later wars are on the nono list, as well as maybe urban violence, terrorism, drug enforcement, capital punishment, even religious matters ... ACW, knights and romans are not because there will hardly anybody be claiming to be really offended or hurt. But surely they would be was there a number of complaints large or loud enough.
Basically there is no need and probably not so much demand for toys with statement that are by their nature aimed at children. And this is why all (not only german) toy brands of importance (i.e. lego, among others) do not have ww2 or modern 'counter insurgency' themes and are instead developing fairly 'balanced', non violent theme worlds or if it needs to be violent without any noticeable ideological or historical reference. I guess this was more or less true already some time before and got more important during the last years due to a greater awareness of possible issues.
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Leonardo, you have made a very succesful diorama indeed if it creates such lively yet respectful discussion as this has. This speaks to the very recognizable and evocative detail that you have managed to pack into your pictures.
Re the purity debate, I am not a purist myself (if it's not nailed down it's fair game in my mind :P ) each person has different resources and different Playmo availabilty since we are all spread out all over the world so what parts might be common for some might be impossible for others to get. Also, if Playmobil has not yet, or will never create these parts then I say it's up to you to fill in the blanks.
Re the subject matter debate, I am glad people are upset about the war. It is an upsetting matter. I have family over there and even he feels the same way.
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Dear Friends,
As I said, I did not mean to hurt anyone.
Frankly, I'm quite upset with such negative repercussions.
I was very careful, just posting photos of the vehicles and soldiers of USMC and U.S. Army.
I have several customs Talibans, and have not posted any pictures of them.
I think this would be very offensive, posting a real war.
I've been police in Rio de Janeiro and here is a daily war.
I lost many friends in combat.
Just for that I will not collect any Playmobil Police?
I think it's even a way to honor them.
Anyway, As I have posted before, I respect everyone's opinion.
Friendly
Leonardo
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You made a great diorama. I like how it's scaled for PM and respect the customizations you've done.
It should not be offensive and I can't think of why or how it would be. No one is shown hurt, let alone maimed.
As someone who once was a soldier, I stand by what you've done.
Remember, it's not usually what people do but how they do it.
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Redbeafs and Frogs
I must have missed this theme - sounds awesome, whatever it is!
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I must have missed this theme - sounds awesome, whatever it is!
"Redbeefs" are British soldiers and "frogs" are French soldiers, 17th-18th century. They didn't like each other very much back then and used to call each other like that.
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Dear Friends,
I've been police in Rio de Janeiro and here is a daily war.
I lost many friends in combat.
Just for that I will not collect any Playmobil Police?
Friendly
Leonardo
Don't you think people who we severely affected by modern war would feel the same way. people had mothers, fathers brothers, sisters killed in modern war. In you situation they we friends. Would a Rio de Janeiro custom police force posted by a customized stirr up some issues with you even if they were not actively engaged in combat? Sex is a very normal behavior yet we, or at least the majority of members do not want to see klickies engaged in such behavior, and that is about love not killing.
The historical sets are not about just the warriors who do the killing, there is the recent medical haycart to ballence it out ;D
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Don't you think people who we severely affected by modern war would feel the same way. people had mothers, fathers brothers, sisters killed in modern war. In you situation they we friends. Would a Rio de Janeiro custom police force posted by a customized stirr up some issues with you even if they were not actively engaged in combat? Sex is a very normal behavior yet we, or at least the majority of members do not want to see klickies engaged in such behavior, and that is about love not killing.
The historical sets are not about just the warriors who do the killing, there is the recent medical haycart to ballence it out ;D
It is interesting you bring the police figures up. I was wondering, after reading the reactions to this diorama, what parents and children who have been traumatized by armed home invasions, muggings, etc must think of the police sets with criminals in them.
Not to mention those whose parents were police officers killed on/off duty by criminals.
What about family members of firefighters who have died in the line of duty? Or families who have been traumatized by fires?
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You know one thing I really love about PM is that geobra is a non-anglophone company and therefore not really subject to ango PC prejudices. Therefore they produce sets like the famous TSA checkpoint and the bankrobber set. The truth is that life is sometimes rough and not everyone's feelings are taken into account.
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Don't you think people who we severely affected by modern war would feel the same way. people had mothers, fathers brothers, sisters killed in modern war. In you situation they we friends. Would a Rio de Janeiro custom police force posted by a customized stirr up some issues with you even if they were not actively engaged in combat? Sex is a very normal behavior yet we, or at least the majority of members do not want to see klickies engaged in such behavior, and that is about love not killing.
The historical sets are not about just the warriors who do the killing, there is the recent medical haycart to ballence it out ;D
The truth is that any subject can become controversial.
As I have posted before, they are not at war, it is just a base / outpost.
I hope that you have never had the experience of losing a friend with headshots, which one you had lunch with him every day, came home with him, was at your side in gunfights and the weekend before his death you were at the birthday party of his daughter.
First I think some people know the past to post certain things. Some friends are more than brothers, die defending you, fight by your side and don't leave your alone.
Honestly, to me this endless discussion is closed.
Friendly
Leonardo
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Don't you think people who we severely affected by modern war would feel the same way. people had mothers, fathers brothers, sisters killed in modern war.
People have great-great-greatgrandfathers who were "shot to pieces" in f.e. the US Civil War. So is/was that war less gruesome/upsetting then conflicts or wars of the 20th/21st century, because the widows and their children aren't here anymore to tell us face-to-face about the horrible details?
WWI from the past century was fought on tactics developped/used in the ACW (trenchwarfare f.e.).
When looking at the new Playmobil themes for this year, something I find more up for controversy then a modern-military custom by someone, is the fact that Geobra releases f.e. exclusive banker-figures (Sparkasse) and a Luxury Villa (sets 5574 + 5586) for the City-Life theme instead of a more standard family-house, just after many people in the US and countries in southern Europe lost their houses or had to sell them because of the big economic/financial crisis.
No problem though I suppose, because the unfortunate ones without a house probably don't have the means anymore to write a blog to complain and express their upsetness to the world.
And a family living in their car is of course a less gruesome sight then a soldier with f.e. a blown-off leg. But are they so much better off? From a European (and thus too socialist/wellfare-equipped, some woud say) viewpoint, I'm not so sure. And luckily I didn't have to fight myself (great respect for those who did/do) and so my leg isn't blown off by an IED, but I'm not certain if I'd prefer to spend a large part of the rest of my life living in a shelter or a car, over loosing a leg. (Of course if it were both legs, that would incnrease the degree of reflection.)
Economics and finances can also be very disruptive ways of warfare, and are becoming more important in our global day and age. No immediate need to send an army anymore, just steadily shift the economic/financial base of a country to another place. No more dead soldiers on Western battlefields (that would look a bit too horrible on youtube), just millions of unemployed and a few courageous streetprotesters, more easily controllable.
Keep your airfore and navy though, just in case you'd need military power after all, and rebalance them for a possible regional confilict in the vast and rising Asia-Pacific region.
Why is cyber becoming so important? Besides military and civilian espionage and intel-gathering, cyber is also evolving into an economic warfare-tool as powerful as the (military) atomic bomb was in 1945.
Meanwhile and for domestic control, keep the folks with money happy (but within your expanding oversight) with the newest tablets, smartphones, etc. Oh, and give them Google-glasses the sooner the better, so you'd not only know where they are every second of the day, but also what they're looking at. George Orwell must be laughing... or crying.
But I'm drifting off-topic here. ::)
Sex is a very normal behavior yet we, or at least the majority of members do not want to see klickies engaged in such behavior
Of course, we (or at least the majority) would be shocked to see normal human behaviour being expressed with toys. And certainly we (or at least the majority) don't want innocent kids to find out accidently (and too soon?) what life is really like, weither it is about sex or war. But meanwhile, life finds out everything about them on FB ;D .
The historical sets are not about just the warriors who do the killing, there is the recent medical haycart to ballence it out ;D
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Leonardo posted while I was busy typing my post above :-[
The truth is that any subject can become controversial.
Exactly.
the experience of losing a friend with headshots, which one you had lunch with him every day, came home with him, was at your side in gunfights and the weekend before his death you were at the birthday party of his daughter.
My deepest respect and sympathy for anyone who has to deal with such an experience.
And I can only admire the comradeship between brothers-in-arms, whichever side or country they belong to.
Imho, seeing, knowing and understanding how terrible conflict/war is and what others experienced in it, will avoid or at least postpone future conflicts/wars.
Here in Belgium, this year it is exactly 100 years ago since the horrible WWI began (Flanders Fields). I hope there will be enough public attention in the media about it, to remember (especially younger) people what that was like and to keep the chances that hopefully it will never happen again.